2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 2)

Packbuckman · Post #161 » by **Packbuckman** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:08 am

Giannis just keeps getting better no one is playing better right now including Jokic. Get Middleton back soon this team going to win some games the slow start and Middleton out might be a blessing to see these young players play.
1a Giannis
1b Jokic
3.SGA
4. Tatum

Mrakar · Post #162 » by **Mrakar** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:08 am

Magic Giannison wrote:42 12 11 and clutch block. held his player to 7 points 2-8 in 36 minutes.

Both sides of the floor, Giannis pure dominance.

Is this trolling?
They played against the Wizards and "his player" was a struggling rookie...

Wolfgang630 · Post #163 » by **Wolfgang630** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:09 am

Giannis isn’t playing better than Jokic.

CobraCommander · Post #164 » by **CobraCommander** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:10 am

B-easy wrote:1. Jokic
(gap)
2.SGA
3.AD
4.Giannis.

I have SGA as a slight favorite overall. SGA will be too many games ahead of Jokic in a tough conference.

I don’t see how AD is ahead of Giannis or Tatum

Giannis is avg more assist more rebounds and more points than AD - AD getting more steals and blocks but AD playing center essentially - good year by AD - better year by Giannis - agree on the gap between Jokic and the field tho

CobraCommander · Post #165 » by **CobraCommander** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:10 am

Wolfgang630 wrote:Giannis isn’t playing better than Jokic.

That’s not saying anything - That’s like of course not lol

CobraCommander · Post #166 » by **CobraCommander** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:11 am

Packbuckman wrote:Giannis just keeps getting better no one is playing better right now including Jokic. Get Middleton back soon this team going to win some games the slow start and Middleton out might be a blessing to see these young players play.
1a Giannis
1b Jokic
3.SGA
4. Tatum

I love Giannis but Jokic shooting 53% from 3 - and he not taking 1 a game - jokic is a video game with offensive setting of 99- and has been for 5 straight years

Wolfgang630 · Post #167 » by **Wolfgang630** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:12 am

CobraCommander wrote:
B-easy wrote:1. Jokic
(gap)
2.SGA
3.AD
4.Giannis.

I have SGA as a slight favorite overall. SGA will be too many games ahead of Jokic in a tough conference.

I don’t see how AD is ahead of Giannis or Tatum

Giannis is avg more assist more rebounds and more points than AD - AD getting more steals and blocks but AD playing center essentially - good year by AD - better year by Giannis - agree on the gap between Jokic and the field tho

The top 4 are clear- Joker, Giannis, Tatum and SGA.

Wolfgang630 · Post #168 » by **Wolfgang630** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:15 am

AD not in this conversation ahead of Tatum. Guy continues to not show up in big games lately.

CobraCommander · Post #169 » by **CobraCommander** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:22 am

Wolfgang630 wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
B-easy wrote:1. Jokic
(gap)
2.SGA
3.AD
4.Giannis.

I have SGA as a slight favorite overall. SGA will be too many games ahead of Jokic in a tough conference.

I don’t see how AD is ahead of Giannis or Tatum

Giannis is avg more assist more rebounds and more points than AD - AD getting more steals and blocks but AD playing center essentially - good year by AD - better year by Giannis - agree on the gap between Jokic and the field tho

The top 4 are clear- Joker, Giannis, Tatum and SGA.

Ad ain’t even the most important guy on his team in terms of winning. If LBJ off that team is toast -

I think Tatum kinda falls in that category cause the team deep… but if sga, Giannis and jokic out the those teams might fall apart -

Okc is so damn young you don’t know what to expect

CobraCommander · Post #170 » by **CobraCommander** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:23 am

Wolfgang630 wrote:AD not in this conversation ahead of Tatum. Guy continues to not show up in big games lately.

Last night he disappeared- sga out there eating their lunch and he might as well not play against Denver

Packbuckman · Post #171 » by **Packbuckman** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:24 am

CobraCommander wrote:
Packbuckman wrote:Giannis just keeps getting better no one is playing better right now including Jokic. Get Middleton back soon this team going to win some games the slow start and Middleton out might be a blessing to see these young players play.
1a Giannis
1b Jokic
3.SGA
4. Tatum

I love Giannis but Jokic shooting 53% from 3 - and he not taking 1 a game - jokic is a video game with offensive setting of 99- and has been for 5 straight years

He’s not going to average that for the season it’s a great stretch though. But 40’s will still be great for him or anyone. Giannis and Jokic numbers will be both like video game numbers in the end. The records are going to have a say in this years award. Giannis was out of media spot light because of 2-8 start now 10-9 and I expect them to keep rising in the standings with Middleton return.

CobraCommander · Post #172 » by **CobraCommander** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:27 am

Packbuckman wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:
Packbuckman wrote:Giannis just keeps getting better no one is playing better right now including Jokic. Get Middleton back soon this team going to win some games the slow start and Middleton out might be a blessing to see these young players play.
1a Giannis
1b Jokic
3.SGA
4. Tatum

I love Giannis but Jokic shooting 53% from 3 - and he not taking 1 a game - jokic is a video game with offensive setting of 99- and has been for 5 straight years

He’s not going to average that for the season it’s a great stretch though. But 40’s will still be great for him or anyone. Giannis and Jokic numbers will be both like video game numbers in the end. The records are going to have a say in this years award. Giannis was out of media spot light because of 2-8 start now 10-9 and I expect them to keep rising in the standings with Middleton return.

I love giannis- Giannis is definitely great - but jokic is playing like MJ and prime LBJ - this run he on is historic and it doesn’t look like it’s gonna slow up any time soon

Infinite Llamas · Post #173 » by **Infinite Llamas** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:28 am

Jokic
Giannis
SGA/Tatum

Wolfgang630 · Post #174 » by **Wolfgang630** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:29 am

Jokic got Gilbert Arenas who always be hating on him talking about he’s like MJ

mediocrityrules · Post #175 » by **mediocrityrules** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 4:43 am

B-easy wrote:1. Jokic
(gap)
2.SGA
3.AD
4.Giannis.

I have SGA as a slight favorite overall. SGA will be too many games ahead of Jokic in a tough conference.

You'd have to be an absolute Lakers homer to still have AD in your top 5. Honestly, he's just not there at all right now.

It's Jokic >>> Giannis >> Tatum/SGA >>>> whoever...

Packbuckman · Post #176 » by **Packbuckman** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 5:27 am

CobraCommander wrote:
Packbuckman wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:I love Giannis but Jokic shooting 53% from 3 - and he not taking 1 a game - jokic is a video game with offensive setting of 99- and has been for 5 straight years

He’s not going to average that for the season it’s a great stretch though. But 40’s will still be great for him or anyone. Giannis and Jokic numbers will be both like video game numbers in the end. The records are going to have a say in this years award. Giannis was out of media spot light because of 2-8 start now 10-9 and I expect them to keep rising in the standings with Middleton return.

I love giannis- Giannis is definitely great - but jokic is playing like MJ and prime LBJ - this run he on is historic and it doesn’t look like it’s gonna slow up any time soon

It’s a long season we shall see if Jokic can keep the 50% 3 pt shooting I don’t think so he has already dropped in assists a bit. That one will depend on his teammates to continue hitting shots. Giannis biggest thing will be his free throws that brings his TS % down he is definitely shooting better now then the start of season when he was in 50’s. Giannis passing is so underrated is he Jokic in passing no but he is really good. Giannis D has really picked up since the 2-8 start looks like his mvp years D.

RiotPunch · Post #177 » by **RiotPunch** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 11:06 am

Giannis is doing stupid two-way things right now. Jokic is an absolute juggernaut on offense, but Giannis is also pretty damn dominant there and erasing **** on defense. Biased, but I think he's 1a or 1b to Jokic and then everyone else.

RiotPunch · Post #178 » by **RiotPunch** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 11:08 am

Wolfgang630 wrote:Jokic got Gilbert Arenas who always be hating on him talking about he’s like MJ

Gil hates on everyone bro and he is r worded. The fact that he has platform speaks volumes about our r worded country.

ITYSL · Post #179 » by **ITYSL** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 2:30 pm

GiannisAnte34 wrote:Could somebody shed light on this question? When Tatum is going to the bench, are other starters on average also being benched? The offensive rating of the Celtics with Tatum on the floor is 120 compared to 102 off, hoping someone can dive deeper into exactly how impressive or not this may be

No, not really.

Tatum has better on/off numbers than the rest of the starters. That wouldn't be possible if he only played with starters.

To give you an idea, Pritchard is most frequently on the court with Hauser, followed by Tatum. Same with Hauser - Pritchard, followed by Tatum. For Queta, it's Pritchard, White then Tatum. So Tatum plays more with the three main bench guys than any other starter.

The only time the Celtics have a negative net rating this season is when Tatum is off the court. When any other player is off the court, the team has a positive net rating.

Jaqua92 · Post #180 » by **Jaqua92** » Sun Dec 1, 2024 3:06 pm

RiotPunch wrote:Giannis is doing stupid two-way things right now. Jokic is an absolute juggernaut on offense, but Giannis is also pretty damn dominant there and erasing **** on defense. Biased, but I think he's 1a or 1b to Jokic and then everyone else.

Jokic has a control of the game Giannis doesn't.

Giannis has had a stellar 8 games. He becomes 1b if this continues for a month.

Who is leading the MVP race?