At what point do Lakers fans owe Darvin Ham an apology?

MrPainfulTruth · Post #161 » by **MrPainfulTruth** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 6:52 pm

sums it up pretty well.

Its mind boggling LeBron stans keep drooling over 1, 2 highlight plays and stat padding while he leads his team in to L after L, always blaming others. I saw a video about the all star selections - LeBron is 2nd in the votes, AD is 5th. Thats the power of "influencers", fake news and brain wash over 22 years.

Charlesareed · Post #162 » by **Charlesareed** » Wed Jan 8, 2025 11:48 pm

MrPainfulTruth wrote:
Charlesareed wrote:Wow the lakers with both AD & Lebron fully healthy and playing good lost to the mavs without Luka & kyrie that’s pitiful time to blow this thing up

"playing good"? Are you watching the games or just the highlights?

If a guy with 30+ minutes contributes absolutely nothing on D, its not surprising they keep losing to a D-League team. But hey lets keep drooling over a dunk and 40 years and all that jazz.

As a Lakers fan, i'd be in a deep hole right now. Theres no hope and no future.

The lakers still had the 2 best players on the court that team is horrible even if they somehow magically made the playoffs they will get bounced in 5 games

doogie_hauser · Post #163 » by **doogie_hauser** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 12:06 am

The Lakers main problem right now is they seem to be competing for two times simultaneously right now (contending and plan for the future/post Lebron era)

Trouble is, it's very hard to do in today's NBA and they are not particularly good at either.

The fact the Lakera Front Office is refusing to entertain offers for Rui Hachimura just shows the levels of incompetence and delusion they have.

What type of coach can possibly win with such a mediocre CEO in Pelinka ?

MrPainfulTruth · Post #164 » by **MrPainfulTruth** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 7:02 pm

Charlesareed wrote:
MrPainfulTruth wrote:
Charlesareed wrote:Wow the lakers with both AD & Lebron fully healthy and playing good lost to the mavs without Luka & kyrie that’s pitiful time to blow this thing up

"playing good"? Are you watching the games or just the highlights?

If a guy with 30+ minutes contributes absolutely nothing on D, its not surprising they keep losing to a D-League team. But hey lets keep drooling over a dunk and 40 years and all that jazz.

As a Lakers fan, i'd be in a deep hole right now. Theres no hope and no future.

The lakers still had the 2 best players on the court that team is horrible even if they somehow magically made the playoffs they will get bounced in 5 games

Is that really your opinion? I mean honestly have you watched the game, and this is what you took away?

Lalouie · Post #165 » by **Lalouie** » Thu Jan 9, 2025 7:07 pm

don't look back - it might be a 35mph grizzly

look straight ahead and run hard

dWadeOwnzYou · Post #166 » by **dWadeOwnzYou** » Tue Jan 14, 2025 6:56 pm

3 game slide for the Lakers and counting, anyone left still need to make an apology for Darvin Ham? These are some mediocre team, that they're losing to as well.

Lakers In 5 · Post #167 » by **Lakers In 5** » Tue Jan 14, 2025 7:51 pm

dWadeOwnzYou wrote:3 game slide for the Lakers and counting, anyone left still need to make an apology for Darvin Ham? These are some mediocre team, that they're losing to as well.

The Lakers could lose the next 37 games, it does not suddenly make Ham a good coach no matter how much of a revisionist you wish to be.

FrobeBryant · Post #168 » by **FrobeBryant** » Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:47 pm

dWadeOwnzYou wrote:3 game slide for the Lakers and counting, anyone left still need to make an apology for Darvin Ham? These are some mediocre team, that they're losing to as well.

Lol no Darvin Ham was not without his faults. He made some egregious coaching decisions and it cost them plenty of games last season. The problem is they replaced Ham with an unproven coach that is learning on the fly. It would make sense to do that for a young rebuilding team. Not for a team with contending hopes that still has Lebron and AD on it.

TroubleS0me · Post #169 » by **TroubleS0me** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:48 am

LBJ and AD wanted Westrook. It's there fault.

DonaldSanders · Post #170 » by **DonaldSanders** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:52 am

Demagoog wrote:The Lakers could lose the next 37 games, it does not suddenly make Ham a good coach no matter how much of a revisionist you wish to be.

True, but he clearly isn't as bad as Laker fans made him out to be. I listened to mainstream post-season Laker podcasts, everyone treated Darvin Ham as some kind of mentally disabled coach who just did the dumbest things, and if only the Lakers had an average coach they'd be a contender.

I'm not saying you particularly said that stuff, but that type of stuff is what everyone else noticed and is reacting to.

elchengue20 · Post #171 » by **elchengue20** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:53 am

That Westbrook trade was a complete disaster.

Setback the franchise for years and shutdown the LBJ/AD window.

There is a reason players can't also be the GM.

doogie_hauser · Post #172 » by **doogie_hauser** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 3:09 am

elchengue20 wrote:That Westbrook trade was a complete disaster.

Setback the franchise for years and shutdown the LBJ/AD window.

There is a reason players can't also be the GM.

I can't remember the specifics of the Westbrook trade but that is hyperbole surely ?

Letting Caurso aka The Bald Eagle go as a free agent did more to shut the Lakers championship window than trading for Russ (pretty sure he was the Lakers third best player that Bubble championship)

Regardless, I think the general consensus is that the Lakers ownership/front office (led by Jeanie Buss and Rob Pelinka) are the two people most responsible for the Lakers window shutting after 2020, far more than any player or coach.

Look at Pelinka's trade record as GM before LeBron and AD arrived. It was pretty damn poor. And yeah Russ was a bad fit for this Lakera team and roster but it's overly simplistic and naive and lazy scapegoating to blame the trade for him for the Lebron era in Lakeshow land ending in a fizzer.

tamaraw08 · Post #173 » by **tamaraw08** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 3:42 am

doogie_hauser wrote:
elchengue20 wrote:That Westbrook trade was a complete disaster.

Setback the franchise for years and shutdown the LBJ/AD window.

There is a reason players can't also be the GM.

I can't remember the specifics of the Westbrook trade but that is hyperbole surely ?

Letting Caurso aka The Bald Eagle go as a free agent did more to shut the Lakers championship window than trading for Russ (pretty sure he was the Lakers third best player that Bubble championship)

Regardless, I think the general consensus is that the Lakers ownership/front office (led by Jeanie Buss and Rob Pelinka) are the two people most responsible for the Lakers window shutting after 2020, far more than any player or coach.

Look at Pelinka's trade record as GM before LeBron and AD arrived. It was pretty damn poor. And yeah Russ was a bad fit for this Lakera team and roster but it's overly simplistic and naive and lazy scapegoating to blame the trade for him for the Lebron era in Lakeshow land ending in a fizzer.

If you can't remember the specifics on what happened a couple of years ago with the Westbrook trade, then you would also even have a harder time remembering who made what decision 7 seasons ago.
Rob was working for Magic who was in love with Lonzo and also handpicked "playmakers" like Beasley and Lance Stephenson etc.
Jeanie Buss also was totally in love with her superstar money maker Lebron that Rob referred to him and AD as "partners" as in having so much input with decision making like forcing them to give a handsome contract to THT (which no OTHER team was offering) instead of Caruso.

trickshot · Post #174 » by **trickshot** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 3:54 am

When he's back coaching.

_NoMas · Post #175 » by **_NoMas** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:51 am

As bad as the lakers have been recently, even as presently constructed if they could get the 7 spot I’d probably back them to get through play off series against Memphis and Houston

Camby_Bamby · Post #176 » by **Camby_Bamby** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:17 am

doogie_hauser wrote:The Lakers main problem right now is they seem to be competing for two times simultaneously right now (contending and plan for the future/post Lebron era)

Trouble is, it's very hard to do in today's NBA and they are not particularly good at either.

The fact the Lakera Front Office is refusing to entertain offers for Rui Hachimura just shows the levels of incompetence and delusion they have.

What type of coach can possibly win with such a mediocre CEO in Pelinka ?

Easiest thing to do is blame pelinka. Pelinka can't prevent Aaron Gordon from getting 12 dunks in a playoff game against Lebron. He can't force Reaves to stop being a foul merchant. He can't force Bron to stop pouting every other possession. They wanted Westbrook, they got him and blamed everything on him. He's in a no-win situation

Camby_Bamby · Post #177 » by **Camby_Bamby** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:27 am

Yall are hilarious for the Pelinka blaming. Dude is basically being pressured to run the Lakers like the Cavaliers.

Its Always,"win now" - no rebuilding, no young talent outside of Knect and Max, no foresight. Just move players in and out of LA, see if they can space the floor or fit within Lebron's ball dominant offense that's predicated on him getting numbers. Defense is secondary since the face of the team gives minimum effort while AD attempts to clean up for the lack of perimeter defense.

Ham was a solid coach who worked with the best he had - an inconsistent roster led by a guy who's turnover prone, out of his prime, plays little defense, has never been held accountable, and has the full backing of the major sports networks.

johanliebert · Post #178 » by **johanliebert** » Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:01 pm

JJ is eating some humble pie. He had no respect for the game or current coaches.

One Last Shot · Post #179 » by **One Last Shot** » Fri Feb 7, 2025 5:49 am

Revived wrote:

Read on Twitter

Why did you stop updating this?

Revived · Post #180 » by **Revived** » Fri Feb 7, 2025 5:56 am

One Last Shot wrote:
Revived wrote:

Read on Twitter

Why did you stop updating this?

I’ve been giving him his props in the Redick COY thread if you ain’t been noticing.

But as far as Ham goes, yeah Redick better take this Lakers team to the damn finals if Ham was able to take them to the WCFs without even having Luka.