2024-25 NBA DPOY and All-Defense discussion

[cupcakesnake]

Wemby effect.

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Still got a wide open three out of it. Spurs' defense will become elite the moment they put some good defenders around Wemby.

I think a lot of the young core was drafted with defense in mind. Sochan is good, Castle will be good, Vassell was supposed to be good but the jury is still out.

They have a creaky veteran in Chris Paul who still is very disruptive. Harrison Barnes' defense has been awful for a couple seasons now. Keldon Johnson is bad. Tre Jones is fine.

The defense is pretty solid already, and I think in the long term, if Sochan and Castle are long term starters, this will be a good defensive team.

[benhillboy]

I appreciate the hell outta the banter here. Serious defensive threads are always the best on RGM. People who love defense more are far more qualified to talk offense IMO. Unfortunately the media doesn’t see it that way.

Watching the Lakers last night seems as if they’ve leveled up defensively adding DFS and an increased role for Christie who’s very impressive and wise beyond his years in terms of pacing and mapping his defense throughout the game as their primary wing guy now. Redick knows more than anyone LeBron, Rui, and Austin need bolstering.

Fun fact: this is LeBron’s first season obviously with a negative on/off (-10.5!). Only his third season with a negative on (rookie, 2022). I’ve noticed many ATGs hang it up when their metrics suddenly fall off a cliff in their later years. By LeBron’s standards it’s high time.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Wemby is winning the 8 of the next 10 probably.

[OkcSinceSGA]

I appreciate the hell outta the banter here. Serious defensive threads are always the best on RGM. People who love defense more are far more qualified to talk offense IMO. Unfortunately the media doesn’t see it that way.

Watching the Lakers last night seems as if they’ve leveled up defensively adding DFS and an increased role for Christie who’s very impressive and wise beyond his years in terms of pacing and mapping his defense throughout the game as their primary wing guy now. Redick knows more than anyone LeBron, Rui, and Austin need bolstering.

Fun fact: this is LeBron’s first season obviously with a negative on/off (-10.5!). Only his third season with a negative on (rookie, 2022). I’ve noticed many ATGs hang it up when their metrics suddenly fall off a cliff in their later years. By LeBron’s standards it’s high time.

I am curious to see what his brother Cam will do given his growth. Cam had 38 a couple days ago and is stepping up down in the G League. Was Max only ever with the Lakers big club? Or he had time down in the G League?

[Bloodbather]

Wemby effect.

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Still got a wide open three out of it. Spurs' defense will become elite the moment they put some good defenders around Wemby.

I think a lot of the young core was drafted with defense in mind. Sochan is good, Castle will be good, Vassell was supposed to be good but the jury is still out.

They have a creaky veteran in Chris Paul who still is very disruptive. Harrison Barnes' defense has been awful for a couple seasons now. Keldon Johnson is bad. Tre Jones is fine.

The defense is pretty solid already, and I think in the long term, if Sochan and Castle are long term starters, this will be a good defensive team.

Yeah, Sochan and Castle seem to be the ones with the most potential on that end. Vassell has potential too but it might not materialize. The problem with Sochan right now is that he seems to be an iffy fit with Wemby on offense.

[benhillboy]

I appreciate the hell outta the banter here. Serious defensive threads are always the best on RGM. People who love defense more are far more qualified to talk offense IMO. Unfortunately the media doesn’t see it that way.

Watching the Lakers last night seems as if they’ve leveled up defensively adding DFS and an increased role for Christie who’s very impressive and wise beyond his years in terms of pacing and mapping his defense throughout the game as their primary wing guy now. Redick knows more than anyone LeBron, Rui, and Austin need bolstering.

Fun fact: this is LeBron’s first season obviously with a negative on/off (-10.5!). Only his third season with a negative on (rookie, 2022). I’ve noticed many ATGs hang it up when their metrics suddenly fall off a cliff in their later years. By LeBron’s standards it’s high time.

I am curious to see what his brother Cam will do given his growth. Cam had 38 a couple days ago and is stepping up down in the G League. Was Max only ever with the Lakers big club? Or he had time down in the G League?

I have no idea, I’m no Lakers fan. I follow the Hawks for some strange reason and saw how well he defended Ja. Didn’t know he had a brother on the cusp but not surprising seeing how their dad was always a high IQ guy.

[Kobe187]

Wemby’s 1st of many.

[The KnicksFix]

OG

[ninjamilk23]

Is it a hot take to say he should've won last year as well?

[codydaze]

He probably won't make it but Keon Ellis should be getting All Defense votes.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Dort has a clutch-time defensive rating of 70 this year. Thought that was interesting.

[brackdan70]

He probably won't make it but Keon Ellis should be getting All Defense votes.

Only if he continues to get starters minutes at still play high level D.
Currently only averaging 21 mpg.

[Dthrill55]

Keon Ellis

[cupcakesnake]

Dort has a clutch-time defensive rating of 70 this year. Thought that was interesting.

Do you know the numbers of the other Thunder players?

[MoneyTalks41890]

Dort has a clutch-time defensive rating of 70 this year. Thought that was interesting.

Do you know the numbers of the other Thunder players?

Super low samples all around, but I set this to players who play 1 min or more during clutch time.

Looks like Hart at 87 and then Isaiah Joe at 89 is next closest, which I think shows the data probably isn’t great re Joe, who is ok but definitely not good.

Then Cason at 98 and Shai at 100.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-advanced?CF=MIN*GE*1&dir=A&sort=DEF_RATING

[Ruma85]

I appreciate the hell outta the banter here. Serious defensive threads are always the best on RGM. People who love defense more are far more qualified to talk offense IMO. Unfortunately the media doesn’t see it that way.

Watching the Lakers last night seems as if they’ve leveled up defensively adding DFS and an increased role for Christie who’s very impressive and wise beyond his years in terms of pacing and mapping his defense throughout the game as their primary wing guy now. Redick knows more than anyone LeBron, Rui, and Austin need bolstering.

Fun fact: this is LeBron’s first season obviously with a negative on/off (-10.5!). Only his third season with a negative on (rookie, 2022). I’ve noticed many ATGs hang it up when their metrics suddenly fall off a cliff in their later years. By LeBron’s standards it’s high time.

I am curious to see what his brother Cam will do given his growth. Cam had 38 a couple days ago and is stepping up down in the G League. Was Max only ever with the Lakers big club? Or he had time down in the G League?

Yes he spent time in the G League.

[Papi_swav]

I like Wemby and he has alot of stocks so it looks good on paper. But Giannis made him look like a child at times, he just ran right thru him and laid it in like he was a small point guard. He might have the stats to back him up and the advanced stats maybe but I think it's too early to give him the DPOY right now. We should probably add Dort to this poll

[sisibilio]

I haven't watched Detroit for a very long time bit there's goes a shoutout for the other twin

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[cupcakesnake]

Easy to imagine a league where the Thompson twins are considered the top 2 perimeter defenders in the league.

There's an IQ and experience gap right now vs. guys like Caruso and Derrick White, but the physical advantages these two have over all the guard sized defenders is pretty significant (even with someone like Suggs), and then they're much quicker and twitchier than the big wings defenders like OG, McDaniels, and Herb.

[Frankie]

I haven't watched Detroit for a very long time bit there's goes a shoutout for the other twin

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He's amazing. Watching the Amen and Ausar over the past year or so, I've really developed an incredible hatred for lazy defenders. They are so active, almost entirely position-less, they often not only lock down their own assignment but also come off their assignment to help their teammates, they can guard the opposing team's best scorer night after night, possession after possession.

I used to get mildly annoyed at lazy defenders who switch off on defence but these twins have revitalised my appreciation for good and willing defence so much that now I just can't stand players who think it's OK to short-change their team by being lazy on defence.