NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star

[JujitsuFlip]

If Boston only got 2 last season, so should the Cavs

I think the Cavs starting 15-0 and then snapping the Thunder's 15-0 streak to extend their second streak to 12-0 before dropping one last night... Is different.

Celtics never put more than 5 or 6 wins in a row together last season (before voting concluded).

Not saying i think the Cavs will get 4 all stars but if they don't, the reasoning shouldn't be last season's Celtics.

Aside from Mobley, I don't see who else gets in from the Cavs aside from Spida.

Just my opinion, there is just so much talent in the East, and I am also keen to see more first time players too like Cade Cunningham.

If Korver got in with 12ppg because he was 50/40/90 on the #1 seed then Garland should for sure be in with 21ppg on 49/40/90.

[doogie_hauser]

I think the Cavs starting 15-0 and then snapping the Thunder's 15-0 streak to extend their second streak to 12-0 before dropping one last night... Is different.

Celtics never put more than 5 or 6 wins in a row together last season (before voting concluded).

Not saying i think the Cavs will get 4 all stars but if they don't, the reasoning shouldn't be last season's Celtics.

Aside from Mobley, I don't see who else gets in from the Cavs aside from Spida.

Just my opinion, there is just so much talent in the East, and I am also keen to see more first time players too like Cade Cunningham.

If Korver got in with 12ppg because he was 50/40/90 on the #1 seed then Garland should for sure be in with 21ppg on 49/40/90.

Garland'a individual stats are not good enough for the All Star Game imo and yes it's a joke Korver got in.

[JujitsuFlip]

Aside from Mobley, I don't see who else gets in from the Cavs aside from Spida.

Just my opinion, there is just so much talent in the East, and I am also keen to see more first time players too like Cade Cunningham.

If Korver got in with 12ppg because he was 50/40/90 on the #1 seed then Garland should for sure be in with 21ppg on 49/40/90.

Garland'a individual stats are not good enough for the All Star Game imo and yes it's a joke Korver got in.

By that logic, the Cavs should get zero All-Stars.

Mitchell, who people call their best player is putting up 22.8ppg 4.4rpg 4.5apg... You could easily find 4 East guards with better counting stats than him.

Kenny plays 10, sometimes 11 guys per night. None of these guys have eye popping individual stats. Collectively what they're doing is special.

[cupcakesnake]

Allen is better than Mobley right now... change my mind lol

Better at... what?

I think Allen can hang with bigger bodies on defense a little better. Better rebounder. I also think Allen is craftier as a cutter and lob threat.

Everything else is Mobley. He's the better shooter, scorer, driver, perimeter defender, rim protector (yup), playmaker.

I think Jarrett Allen is really really good. All-star calibre player. Mobley is even better though.

Cavs struggle in the play-in without Allen but are like a 5 seed without Mobley. Allen is the reason why the Cavs defense works... Mobley would get exposed, like he has in the past, without him.

Now going forward, I'm taking Mobley for obvious potential purposes.

We have years of data now on the Cavs defense with only Mobley or Allen.

3772 minutes of Allen, no Mobley. 112.3 Drtg
3874 minutes of Mobley, no Allen. 110.8 Drtg
(they are at 110.7 in 3800 minutes together).

There is simply nothing to the idea that Mobley can't anchor the defense without Allen. If anything, it's the opposite (though I'd say they're both capable defensive anchors). Allen's offense has been more indispensable though, because he's the biggest source of rim pressure with his clever cutting/finishing game and offensive rebounding. Mobley has been more an auxillary player on offense, though his driving and shooting have leveled up this year.

[Iwasawitness]

Aside from Mobley, I don't see who else gets in from the Cavs aside from Spida.

Just my opinion, there is just so much talent in the East, and I am also keen to see more first time players too like Cade Cunningham.

If Korver got in with 12ppg because he was 50/40/90 on the #1 seed then Garland should for sure be in with 21ppg on 49/40/90.

Garland'a individual stats are not good enough for the All Star Game imo and yes it's a joke Korver got in.

I don't agree at all that his individual stats aren't good enough, but more importantly, his impact goes beyond the stats. He's the main playmaker behind a historically great offense. He absolutely should go into the all star game.

[Iwasawitness]

Allen is better than Mobley right now... change my mind lol

Better at... what?

I think Allen can hang with bigger bodies on defense a little better. Better rebounder. I also think Allen is craftier as a cutter and lob threat.

Everything else is Mobley. He's the better shooter, scorer, driver, perimeter defender, rim protector (yup), playmaker.

I think Jarrett Allen is really really good. All-star calibre player. Mobley is even better though.

Cavs struggle in the play-in without Allen but are like a 5 seed without Mobley. Allen is the reason why the Cavs defense works... Mobley would get exposed, like he has in the past, without him.

Now going forward, I'm taking Mobley for obvious potential purposes.

Why does it feel like you had this comment typed out in 2022, forgot about it, found it and decided to post it here? You're making me feel nostalgic with this one.

[Tor_Raps]

Better at... what?

I think Allen can hang with bigger bodies on defense a little better. Better rebounder. I also think Allen is craftier as a cutter and lob threat.

Everything else is Mobley. He's the better shooter, scorer, driver, perimeter defender, rim protector (yup), playmaker.

I think Jarrett Allen is really really good. All-star calibre player. Mobley is even better though.

Cavs struggle in the play-in without Allen but are like a 5 seed without Mobley. Allen is the reason why the Cavs defense works... Mobley would get exposed, like he has in the past, without him.

Now going forward, I'm taking Mobley for obvious potential purposes.

Why does it feel like you had this comment typed out in 2022, forgot about it, found it and decided to post it here? You're making me feel nostalgic with this one.

It's probably more because of my appreciation for Allen than anything. Im actually a big Mobley fan and still think he'll go down as the best from his draft class, I just felt he got a bit overrated early on so you're probably right with that comment lol.

[toooskies]

Better at... what?

I think Allen can hang with bigger bodies on defense a little better. Better rebounder. I also think Allen is craftier as a cutter and lob threat.

Everything else is Mobley. He's the better shooter, scorer, driver, perimeter defender, rim protector (yup), playmaker.

I think Jarrett Allen is really really good. All-star calibre player. Mobley is even better though.

Cavs struggle in the play-in without Allen but are like a 5 seed without Mobley. Allen is the reason why the Cavs defense works... Mobley would get exposed, like he has in the past, without him.

Now going forward, I'm taking Mobley for obvious potential purposes.

We have years of data now on the Cavs defense with only Mobley or Allen.

3772 minutes of Allen, no Mobley. 112.3 Drtg
3874 minutes of Mobley, no Allen. 110.8 Drtg
(they are at 110.7 in 3800 minutes together).

There is simply nothing to the idea that Mobley can't anchor the defense without Allen. If anything, it's the opposite (though I'd say they're both capable defensive anchors). Allen's offense has been more indispensable though, because he's the biggest source of rim pressure with his clever cutting/finishing game and offensive rebounding. Mobley has been more an auxillary player on offense, though his driving and shooting have leveled up this year.

Mobley is second in the league to Giannis in dunks this season.

[cupcakesnake]

Cavs struggle in the play-in without Allen but are like a 5 seed without Mobley. Allen is the reason why the Cavs defense works... Mobley would get exposed, like he has in the past, without him.

Now going forward, I'm taking Mobley for obvious potential purposes.

We have years of data now on the Cavs defense with only Mobley or Allen.

3772 minutes of Allen, no Mobley. 112.3 Drtg
3874 minutes of Mobley, no Allen. 110.8 Drtg
(they are at 110.7 in 3800 minutes together).

There is simply nothing to the idea that Mobley can't anchor the defense without Allen. If anything, it's the opposite (though I'd say they're both capable defensive anchors). Allen's offense has been more indispensable though, because he's the biggest source of rim pressure with his clever cutting/finishing game and offensive rebounding. Mobley has been more an auxillary player on offense, though his driving and shooting have leveled up this year.

Mobley is second in the league to Giannis in dunks this season.

I'm aware.
Remember I'm talking about Allen and Mobley's entire history together in this comment, in response to another user claiming the Cavs have historically struggled without his defense. I'm pointing out its the offense that has sagged without Allen, and that he's historically had the higher free throw rate and offensive rebounding rate. Mobley has been a way bigger source of rim pressure than ever before this year with his drives.

[toooskies]

We have years of data now on the Cavs defense with only Mobley or Allen.

3772 minutes of Allen, no Mobley. 112.3 Drtg
3874 minutes of Mobley, no Allen. 110.8 Drtg
(they are at 110.7 in 3800 minutes together).

There is simply nothing to the idea that Mobley can't anchor the defense without Allen. If anything, it's the opposite (though I'd say they're both capable defensive anchors). Allen's offense has been more indispensable though, because he's the biggest source of rim pressure with his clever cutting/finishing game and offensive rebounding. Mobley has been more an auxillary player on offense, though his driving and shooting have leveled up this year.

Mobley is second in the league to Giannis in dunks this season.

I'm aware.
Remember I'm talking about Allen and Mobley's entire history together in this comment, in response to another user claiming the Cavs have historically struggled without his defense. I'm pointing out its the offense that has sagged without Allen, and that he's historically had the higher free throw rate and offensive rebounding rate. Mobley has been a way bigger source of rim pressure than ever before this year with his drives.

This is pretty straightforward-- all of Allen's shots are good shots. He's literally the most efficient player in the league. The offense is simply going to be better when he's on the court.

But the thought that Mobley doesn't have rim pressure is nuts. Mobley led the league in dunks two years ago. He's top 30 in the league in offensive rebound rate and per 2-point attempt he gets nearly the foul rate that Allen does. His efficiency on shots that duplicate Allen's profile is roughly as efficient all the way at the rim-- it's only when he doesn't get all the way to the rim that his efficiency goes down. But no team is, say, leaving Mobley open on a cut where they'd stop Allen.

I recommend not using last year's lineup stats-- random biases like schedule difficulty, player health, and shooting slumps corrupt the data a ton. They're nearly impossible to look at in proper context.

[INKtastic]

Aside from Mobley, I don't see who else gets in from the Cavs aside from Spida.

Just my opinion, there is just so much talent in the East, and I am also keen to see more first time players too like Cade Cunningham.

If Korver got in with 12ppg because he was 50/40/90 on the #1 seed then Garland should for sure be in with 21ppg on 49/40/90.

Garland'a individual stats are not good enough for the All Star Game imo and yes it's a joke Korver got in.

Better look at his stats again, Garland is killing it this year.

Best clutch player in the league
Only 50/40/90 player in the league

He just won player of the week for the 2nd time this year (11 weeks).

Garland, Tatum and Jokic are the only players who have won it twice this year.

[INKtastic]

We have years of data now on the Cavs defense with only Mobley or Allen.

3772 minutes of Allen, no Mobley. 112.3 Drtg
3874 minutes of Mobley, no Allen. 110.8 Drtg
(they are at 110.7 in 3800 minutes together).

There is simply nothing to the idea that Mobley can't anchor the defense without Allen. If anything, it's the opposite (though I'd say they're both capable defensive anchors). Allen's offense has been more indispensable though, because he's the biggest source of rim pressure with his clever cutting/finishing game and offensive rebounding. Mobley has been more an auxillary player on offense, though his driving and shooting have leveled up this year.

Mobley is second in the league to Giannis in dunks this season.

I'm aware.
Remember I'm talking about Allen and Mobley's entire history together in this comment, in response to another user claiming the Cavs have historically struggled without his defense. I'm pointing out its the offense that has sagged without Allen, and that he's historically had the higher free throw rate and offensive rebounding rate. Mobley has been a way bigger source of rim pressure than ever before this year with his drives.

what do prior years have to do with it? Mobley has taken a big leap this year. Cavs have him bring the ball up the court and initial offense a decent amount of the time. He wasn't doing that before this year.

[toooskies]

Mobley is second in the league to Giannis in dunks this season.

I'm aware.
Remember I'm talking about Allen and Mobley's entire history together in this comment, in response to another user claiming the Cavs have historically struggled without his defense. I'm pointing out its the offense that has sagged without Allen, and that he's historically had the higher free throw rate and offensive rebounding rate. Mobley has been a way bigger source of rim pressure than ever before this year with his drives.

what do prior years have to do with it? Mobley has taken a big leap this year. Cavs have him bring the ball up the court and initial offense a decent amount of the time. He wasn't doing that before this year.

Eh, he did sometimes. You can find an early-season quote from JBB last year about how good things happen when Mobley brings up the ball. He only did it a few times, though, before someone started guarding him full-court and turned him over.

The handle is tighter this year but Mobley still didn't respond well the few times he gets pressed and doesn't give up the ball right away.

[cupcakesnake]

Mobley is second in the league to Giannis in dunks this season.

I'm aware.
Remember I'm talking about Allen and Mobley's entire history together in this comment, in response to another user claiming the Cavs have historically struggled without his defense. I'm pointing out its the offense that has sagged without Allen, and that he's historically had the higher free throw rate and offensive rebounding rate. Mobley has been a way bigger source of rim pressure than ever before this year with his drives.

This is pretty straightforward-- all of Allen's shots are good shots. He's literally the most efficient player in the league. The offense is simply going to be better when he's on the court.

But the thought that Mobley doesn't have rim pressure is nuts. Mobley led the league in dunks two years ago. He's top 30 in the league in offensive rebound rate and per 2-point attempt he gets nearly the foul rate that Allen does. His efficiency on shots that duplicate Allen's profile is roughly as efficient all the way at the rim-- it's only when he doesn't get all the way to the rim that his efficiency goes down. But no team is, say, leaving Mobley open on a cut where they'd stop Allen.

I recommend not using last year's lineup stats-- random biases like schedule difficulty, player health, and shooting slumps corrupt the data a ton. They're nearly impossible to look at in proper context.

I'm really not arguing anything you're saying. I was responding to another user about 4 years of data to answer a different question. I never said Mobley didn't have rim pressure. I did mention that in years past, Allen's rim running role was the more consistent source of rim pressure, while Mobley was more of a swiss army knife. I'm really not talking about this year at all and I'm not making statements about their current roles.

[cupcakesnake]

Mobley is second in the league to Giannis in dunks this season.

I'm aware.
Remember I'm talking about Allen and Mobley's entire history together in this comment, in response to another user claiming the Cavs have historically struggled without his defense. I'm pointing out its the offense that has sagged without Allen, and that he's historically had the higher free throw rate and offensive rebounding rate. Mobley has been a way bigger source of rim pressure than ever before this year with his drives.

what do prior years have to do with it? Mobley has taken a big leap this year. Cavs have him bring the ball up the court and initial offense a decent amount of the time. He wasn't doing that before this year.

Guys...! I was responding to another user, correcting a false statement that the Cavs have struggled to defend with Mobley when Allen is off the floor. You're taking my words out of context and arguing against points I never made.

[Scalabrine]

I think the Cavs starting 15-0 and then snapping the Thunder's 15-0 streak to extend their second streak to 12-0 before dropping one last night... Is different.

Celtics never put more than 5 or 6 wins in a row together last season (before voting concluded).

Not saying i think the Cavs will get 4 all stars but if they don't, the reasoning shouldn't be last season's Celtics.

Aside from Mobley, I don't see who else gets in from the Cavs aside from Spida.

Just my opinion, there is just so much talent in the East, and I am also keen to see more first time players too like Cade Cunningham.

If Korver got in with 12ppg because he was 50/40/90 on the #1 seed then Garland should for sure be in with 21ppg on 49/40/90.

It's not as simple as that. There are a ton of guards in the East this year. Brunson, Mitchell, Cunningham, Lillard, Herro, Young, Ball, White, Maxey, Halliburton, Lavine all deserve a spot and I'm pretty sure only 6 of them can make it. Thats 11 guys right there and with the Cavs already having 2 guys as pretty much locks, I could see another team getting a representative.

Also, Korver was an injury replacement that one year.

[JujitsuFlip]

Aside from Mobley, I don't see who else gets in from the Cavs aside from Spida.

Just my opinion, there is just so much talent in the East, and I am also keen to see more first time players too like Cade Cunningham.

If Korver got in with 12ppg because he was 50/40/90 on the #1 seed then Garland should for sure be in with 21ppg on 49/40/90.

It's not as simple as that. There are a ton of guards in the East this year. Brunson, Mitchell, Cunningham, Lillard, Herro, Young, Ball, White, Maxey, Halliburton, Lavine all deserve a spot and I'm pretty sure only 6 of them can make it. Thats 11 guys right there and with the Cavs already having 2 guys as pretty much locks, I could see another team getting a representative.

Also, Korver was an injury replacement that one year.

Ball doesn't deserve a spot his team sucks.

LaVine, see Ball.

Maxey, see LaVine.

Hawks get either Trae or Johnson, not both, team is .500

I'm fine with Cade making it.

Brunson will make it.

White doesn't have the stats.

Can have one of Herro or Dame, i assume coaches go Dame (if he doesn't start).

Mitchell might start.

Hali just got hurt and him and his team are having a down year, i wouldn't reward that.

There's a chance for Garland to sneak in as the 12th man, in the wild card spot. If they exclude him, then Allen should get in because the front court is weak outside of those top 3 guys. I assume Brown and Mobley take up 2 of the 3 bench spots.

[Scalabrine]

If Korver got in with 12ppg because he was 50/40/90 on the #1 seed then Garland should for sure be in with 21ppg on 49/40/90.

It's not as simple as that. There are a ton of guards in the East this year. Brunson, Mitchell, Cunningham, Lillard, Herro, Young, Ball, White, Maxey, Halliburton, Lavine all deserve a spot and I'm pretty sure only 6 of them can make it. Thats 11 guys right there and with the Cavs already having 2 guys as pretty much locks, I could see another team getting a representative.

Also, Korver was an injury replacement that one year.

Ball doesn't deserve a spot his team sucks.

LaVine, see Ball.

Maxey, see LaVine.

Hawks get either Trae or Johnson, not both, team is .500

I'm fine with Cade making it.

Brunson will make it.

White doesn't have the stats.

Can have one of Herro or Dame, i assume coaches go Dame (if he doesn't start).

Mitchell might start.

Hali just got hurt and him and his team are having a down year, i wouldn't reward that.

There's a chance for Garland to sneak in as the 12th man, in the wild card spot. If they exclude him, then Allen should get in because the front court is weak outside of those top 3 guys. I assume Brown and Mobley take up 2 of the 3 bench spots.

Ball is probably getting in as a starter.

[JujitsuFlip]

It's not as simple as that. There are a ton of guards in the East this year. Brunson, Mitchell, Cunningham, Lillard, Herro, Young, Ball, White, Maxey, Halliburton, Lavine all deserve a spot and I'm pretty sure only 6 of them can make it. Thats 11 guys right there and with the Cavs already having 2 guys as pretty much locks, I could see another team getting a representative.

Also, Korver was an injury replacement that one year.

Ball doesn't deserve a spot his team sucks.

LaVine, see Ball.

Maxey, see LaVine.

Hawks get either Trae or Johnson, not both, team is .500

I'm fine with Cade making it.

Brunson will make it.

White doesn't have the stats.

Can have one of Herro or Dame, i assume coaches go Dame (if he doesn't start).

Mitchell might start.

Hali just got hurt and him and his team are having a down year, i wouldn't reward that.

There's a chance for Garland to sneak in as the 12th man, in the wild card spot. If they exclude him, then Allen should get in because the front court is weak outside of those top 3 guys. I assume Brown and Mobley take up 2 of the 3 bench spots.

Ball is probably getting in as a starter.

I don't buy it man. If media vote for him, something is seriously wrong.

Not every player gets a vote, so depending which selection of players are allowed to vote, i could see him not getting as many player votes as anticipated too.

[INKtastic]

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