Is Reed Sheppard too undersized/unathletic to succeed in the NBA?

[jasonxxx102]

Random? I put starting points guards as of TODAY or guards that are projected to start if they weren't hurt.

lol the question wasn't about a 6'2 player starting as a PG for a team. Lots of bad players start games at PG.

The whole point was being successful in the NBA, not starting a game in the NBA.

Right because LaMelo, Cade, Giddey, Harper, have had led such successful teams? Could even throw Harden in that batch to a certain degree.

you're moving the goalposts lol. Not even sure why we're including harper but the other guys have been successful as players to this point in their career.

[ChuckChilly]

lol the question wasn't about a 6'2 player starting as a PG for a team. Lots of bad players start games at PG.

The whole point was being successful in the NBA, not starting a game in the NBA.

Right because LaMelo, Cade, Giddey, Harper, have had led such successful teams? Could even throw Harden in that batch to a certain degree.

you're moving the goalposts lol. Not even sure why we're including harper but the other guys have been successful as players to this point in their career.

Not really. Because by saying the taller players that you or the other posters mentioned as "successful" , then you have to include the smaller guards as well as being "successful" if they have same accolades or team success.

It seems like most of you all are taking Jrue Holiday, Jamal Murray, and SGA Championship wins and extrapolating it to all bigger "points guards" across the league. I put that in quotations because literally all three of those players were commonly said to not being real point guards for majority of their careers.

[threethehardway]

Not really. Because by saying the taller players that you or the other posters mentioned as "successful" , then you have to include the smaller guards as well as being "successful" if they have same accolades or team success.

It seems like most of you all are taking Jrue Holiday, Jamal Murray, and SGA Championship wins and extrapolating it to all bigger "points guards" across the league. I put that in quotations because literally all three of those players were commonly said to not being real point guards for majority of their careers.

Let's put it this way:

If the goal is to win the championship, your best player being under 6'6 puts a damper on that.

The last small guard to win a championship was Curry and he was the best shooter ever.

The last small guard before Curry was Isiah Thomas.

And after Isiah Thomas, the last small player to be the best player and reach the Finals was Allen Iverson.

That's why you see most teams that win championships with a perimeter player as the best player, their point guard is a player that is mostly there to defend and shoot. They are not a focal point in the offense.

The small guys that can lead a team are outliers even if it is not to a championship. They are like Trae, who is a top 2 playmaker in the NBA or they are like Brunson who is one of the best iso players in the NBA and probably pound for pound - one of the strongest, they aren't regular degular small guards.

[jasonxxx102]

Right because LaMelo, Cade, Giddey, Harper, have had led such successful teams? Could even throw Harden in that batch to a certain degree.

you're moving the goalposts lol. Not even sure why we're including harper but the other guys have been successful as players to this point in their career.

Not really. Because by saying the taller players that you or the other posters mentioned as "successful" , then you have to include the smaller guards as well as being "successful" if they have same accolades or team success.

It seems like most of you all are taking Jrue Holiday, Jamal Murray, and SGA Championship wins and extrapolating it to all bigger "points guards" across the league. I put that in quotations because literally all three of those players were commonly said to not being real point guards for majority of their careers.

The whole point is that having a small player is almost always a disadvantage nowadays and the teams that have been most successful over the last decade or so have had jumbo ball handlers.

The only exception is Steph Curry and well we know why he’s the outlier

[Old_Blue]

By the way some of you make it sound, Reed Sheppard is an elf...

Watch on YouTube

[Deathray]

He's been legitimately horrible with too many glaring screw-ups and somehow is at 38% fg while shooing 43% from 3.

[pepe1991]

Not really. Because by saying the taller players that you or the other posters mentioned as "successful" , then you have to include the smaller guards as well as being "successful" if they have same accolades or team success.

It seems like most of you all are taking Jrue Holiday, Jamal Murray, and SGA Championship wins and extrapolating it to all bigger "points guards" across the league. I put that in quotations because literally all three of those players were commonly said to not being real point guards for majority of their careers.

Let's put it this way:

If the goal is to win the championship, your best player being under 6'6 puts a damper on that.

The last small guard to win a championship was Curry and he was the best shooter ever.

The last small guard before Curry was Isiah Thomas.

And after Isiah Thomas, the last small player to be the best player and reach the Finals was Allen Iverson.

That's why you see most teams that win championships with a perimeter player as the best player, their point guard is a player that is mostly there to defend and shoot. They are not a focal point in the offense.

The small guys that can lead a team are outliers even if it is not to a championship. They are like Trae, who is a top 2 playmaker in the NBA or they are like Brunson who is one of the best iso players in the NBA and probably pound for pound - one of the strongest, they aren't regular degular small guards.

Are we talking about best player on championship a team, of one of key players on championship teams?

Because we for damn sure had many undersized guards on championship teams. Assuming "undersized" is below league's average and we don't talk about 5'6 players . Because if 6'4 is still pretty damn undersized by NBA's league average (6'7).

You can start with Curry, who btw won 4 titles in last 10 years. That notion alone kills whole argument. But he is all time great..., if you go down that road, how many 6'8 ball handlers won titles in entire history? Two? How many passing centers won title? One?
How many 6'10 hybrid wings won title while taking perimeter jumpers ? One?

Bottom line, history of NBA isn't that deep to just delete from existence fact that Curry has more titles than majority of nba franchises. Combined.
Btw neither Jordan nor Kobe were anywhere near their reported heights from NBA. Kobe was 6'4. Guy literally said it by himself.
Jordan was measured at Olympics in 1992 and he was 195 cm tall. 195 = bit below 6'4.

Lowry and even Vleet were big parts of Raptors title. Both are very, very small.
Jamal Murray was second best player on Nuggets title run. He is 6'3.
Jrue, Derrick White played huge role in Celtics Jrue on Bucks championship roster, both are 6'3.
Kyrie won title as second best player, at 6'1
Spurs were led to their last title by Tony Parker in points and assists , Kawhi won MVP. I met Parker live, in 2010, i'm 191 cm tall, guy is 6'1 (182 cm) at apsolute most. In shoes. ( Eva Longoria is midget )
Wade played major role on 2 Heat titles with Lebron, but also won title as big solo star, guy is 6'3. More than enough internet pics of Wade to prove he wasn't even 6'3.


Thing is, basketball is skill based sport, but target hangs in air and size will always be advantage. But once you get into rabbit hole of what and who "can " or "can't " win title with you get nowhere. MVP himself, SGA, is only 6'4 without shoes. So i guess those high heel shoes squeez him into your 6'6 argument ?

Brunson is one of best nba players today. Guy is probably closer to 5'11 than 6'2.
Maxey is off to a crazy start, is all star, and he still is only around 6'1.

[Tomazan]

He is going to be great in the Euroleague in a couple of years.

[Maxthirty]

Not really. Because by saying the taller players that you or the other posters mentioned as "successful" , then you have to include the smaller guards as well as being "successful" if they have same accolades or team success.

It seems like most of you all are taking Jrue Holiday, Jamal Murray, and SGA Championship wins and extrapolating it to all bigger "points guards" across the league. I put that in quotations because literally all three of those players were commonly said to not being real point guards for majority of their careers.

Let's put it this way:

If the goal is to win the championship, your best player being under 6'6 puts a damper on that.

The last small guard to win a championship was Curry and he was the best shooter ever.

The last small guard before Curry was Isiah Thomas.

And after Isiah Thomas, the last small player to be the best player and reach the Finals was Allen Iverson.

That's why you see most teams that win championships with a perimeter player as the best player, their point guard is a player that is mostly there to defend and shoot. They are not a focal point in the offense.

The small guys that can lead a team are outliers even if it is not to a championship. They are like Trae, who is a top 2 playmaker in the NBA or they are like Brunson who is one of the best iso players in the NBA and probably pound for pound - one of the strongest, they aren't regular degular small guards.

Are we talking about best player on championship a team, of one of key players on championship teams?

Because we for damn sure had many undersized guards on championship teams. Assuming "undersized" is below league's average and we don't talk about 5'6 players . Because if 6'4 is still pretty damn undersized by NBA's league average (6'7).

You can start with Curry, who btw won 4 titles in last 10 years. That notion alone kills whole argument. But he is all time great..., if you go down that road, how many 6'8 ball handlers won titles in entire history? Two? How many passing centers won title? One?
How many 6'10 hybrid wings won title while taking perimeter jumpers ? One?

Bottom line, history of NBA isn't that deep to just delete from existence fact that Curry has more titles than majority of nba franchises. Combined.
Btw neither Jordan nor Kobe were anywhere near their reported heights from NBA. Kobe was 6'4. Guy literally said it by himself.
Jordan was measured at Olympics in 1992 and he was 195 cm tall. 195 = bit below 6'4.

Lowry and even Vleet were big parts of Raptors title. Both are very, very small.
Jamal Murray was second best player on Nuggets title run. He is 6'3.
Jrue, Derrick White played huge role in Celtics Jrue on Bucks championship roster, both are 6'3.
Kyrie won title as second best player, at 6'1
Spurs were led to their last title by Tony Parker in points and assists , Kawhi won MVP. I met Parker live, in 2010, i'm 191 cm tall, guy is 6'1 (182 cm) at apsolute most. In shoes. ( Eva Longoria is midget )
Wade played major role on 2 Heat titles with Lebron, but also won title as big solo star, guy is 6'3. More than enough internet pics of Wade to prove he wasn't even 6'3.


Thing is, basketball is skill based sport, but target hangs in air and size will always be advantage. But once you get into rabbit hole of what and who "can " or "can't " win title with you get nowhere. MVP himself, SGA, is only 6'4 without shoes. So i guess those high heel shoes squeez him into your 6'6 argument ?

Brunson is one of best nba players today. Guy is probably closer to 5'11 than 6'2.
Maxey is off to a crazy start, is all star, and he still is only around 6'1.

lol that’s a crazy long reply when you didn’t even read what he said.

[pepe1991]

Let's put it this way:

If the goal is to win the championship, your best player being under 6'6 puts a damper on that.

The last small guard to win a championship was Curry and he was the best shooter ever.

The last small guard before Curry was Isiah Thomas.

And after Isiah Thomas, the last small player to be the best player and reach the Finals was Allen Iverson.

That's why you see most teams that win championships with a perimeter player as the best player, their point guard is a player that is mostly there to defend and shoot. They are not a focal point in the offense.

The small guys that can lead a team are outliers even if it is not to a championship. They are like Trae, who is a top 2 playmaker in the NBA or they are like Brunson who is one of the best iso players in the NBA and probably pound for pound - one of the strongest, they aren't regular degular small guards.

Are we talking about best player on championship a team, of one of key players on championship teams?

Because we for damn sure had many undersized guards on championship teams. Assuming "undersized" is below league's average and we don't talk about 5'6 players . Because if 6'4 is still pretty damn undersized by NBA's league average (6'7).

You can start with Curry, who btw won 4 titles in last 10 years. That notion alone kills whole argument. But he is all time great..., if you go down that road, how many 6'8 ball handlers won titles in entire history? Two? How many passing centers won title? One?
How many 6'10 hybrid wings won title while taking perimeter jumpers ? One?

Bottom line, history of NBA isn't that deep to just delete from existence fact that Curry has more titles than majority of nba franchises. Combined.
Btw neither Jordan nor Kobe were anywhere near their reported heights from NBA. Kobe was 6'4. Guy literally said it by himself.
Jordan was measured at Olympics in 1992 and he was 195 cm tall. 195 = bit below 6'4.

Lowry and even Vleet were big parts of Raptors title. Both are very, very small.
Jamal Murray was second best player on Nuggets title run. He is 6'3.
Jrue, Derrick White played huge role in Celtics Jrue on Bucks championship roster, both are 6'3.
Kyrie won title as second best player, at 6'1
Spurs were led to their last title by Tony Parker in points and assists , Kawhi won MVP. I met Parker live, in 2010, i'm 191 cm tall, guy is 6'1 (182 cm) at apsolute most. In shoes. ( Eva Longoria is midget )
Wade played major role on 2 Heat titles with Lebron, but also won title as big solo star, guy is 6'3. More than enough internet pics of Wade to prove he wasn't even 6'3.


Thing is, basketball is skill based sport, but target hangs in air and size will always be advantage. But once you get into rabbit hole of what and who "can " or "can't " win title with you get nowhere. MVP himself, SGA, is only 6'4 without shoes. So i guess those high heel shoes squeez him into your 6'6 argument ?

Brunson is one of best nba players today. Guy is probably closer to 5'11 than 6'2.
Maxey is off to a crazy start, is all star, and he still is only around 6'1.

lol that’s a crazy long reply when you didn’t even read what he said.

I did. Whole argument made no sense for gates, if you know for fact that majority of player's heights are false and exaggerated. Guys who are 6'6 "in shoes" are actually just 6'4 without them, and like 6'4 and half in shoes. NBA still uses in shoes heights for same reasons why WWE always lied about height & weight. To make their superstars appear bigger than life, for marketing purpose.

Vast majority of superstar nba guards are sub 6'4, yet "sold" to media as 6'4, 6'5 or even 6'6.

For instance, Patty Mills spent nba career at 6'2 = 188 cm.
At Olympics 2024, very same Mills was measured again to become...183 cm = 6'0.

I guess this are his playing shoes



Whole thing short, what people consider "undersized" guards, and "normal sized guards" is often , in real life, difference that you can't spot by naked eye, as majority of stuff about height is still not BS- proof.
Just like bodyfat of prospects is often silliest crap possible , as you have guys with 5% bodyfat. Like... dude would struggle to have boner with viagra, let alone run with actual bodyfat, naturally, that low.

[Sane]

Now shooting 44% from 3 on 5.4 attempts a game.

He will destroy all haters.

Generational shooter.

Did you realize that there are 20 guys shooting at least 44% from 3s on the season and shooting at least 5 attempts per game? And of those 20 games, Reed is ranked 19th in 3PT%?

Throwing around the generational shooter label a little too freely.

It's not being done freely, people are sticking their neck out to make a prediction. Predictions come before the definitive data, not after. It comes based on patterns, potential and probability.

[Bucks4005]

So now his numbers look alright, haven’t seen him play, but is he kinda settling into his role? A floor spacing, PG sized SG who basically plays alongside a big SG sized PG in Thompson? Is his defense catching up? Just saw from his numbers he’s looking alright on the Rockets now especially compared to earlier when a lot of people were saying out of NBA type player.

[OriAr]

He was the Rockets' best player offensively last night against the Spurs.
Not great on defense to say the least but the zone defense absolutely did him no favors and Wemby + Castle absolutely torched it once they figured it out.

[Handlez]

Reed was always him.

Just needed a real opportunity without a short leash.

Still has somewhat of a short leash, but overcoming it.

He needs to find a rhythm and not get yanked over misses and bad plays. Let him play the damn game.

[ThatBoyNick]

So now his numbers look alright, haven’t seen him play, but is he kinda settling into his role? A floor spacing, PG sized SG who basically plays alongside a big SG sized PG in Thompson? Is his defense catching up? Just saw from his numbers he’s looking alright on the Rockets now especially compared to earlier when a lot of people were saying out of NBA type player.

What'd you think watching him live?

[Sane]

Reed was dropping clutch bombs on them tonight. He must have had 4 steals and 2 blocks too.

Highlights:

https://youtu.be/PYwN9QIrW_E?si=WLOAfr4bd7yoabAM

[Handlez]

He is going to be great in the Euroleague in a couple of years.

You okay?

[LarsV8]

Has been outstanding his last two games.

[Deathray]

So now his numbers look alright, haven’t seen him play, but is he kinda settling into his role? A floor spacing, PG sized SG who basically plays alongside a big SG sized PG in Thompson? Is his defense catching up? Just saw from his numbers he’s looking alright on the Rockets now especially compared to earlier when a lot of people were saying out of NBA type player.

He's always going to struggle on defense but has some of the quickest hands I've ever seen in the NBA. That's not always a positive though because he gambles on getting a steal too much instead of trying to stay in front of his man.

[Bucks4005]

So now his numbers look alright, haven’t seen him play, but is he kinda settling into his role? A floor spacing, PG sized SG who basically plays alongside a big SG sized PG in Thompson? Is his defense catching up? Just saw from his numbers he’s looking alright on the Rockets now especially compared to earlier when a lot of people were saying out of NBA type player.

What'd you think watching him live?

Making plays. Pissed me off, so he was doing good in this game haha.

But yea, clearly looked like an NBA player, idk how he locked last year that made people question if he was at all, but it must have been pretty bad, so he must have improved a lot in year 2. But yea, looked like an effective shooter at guard and pesky on defense, which I’ve felt matters more for PGs because even the best defensive PGs can’t consistently stop penetration, PGs are too good now a days at getting into the lane, PG defense is just so hard that PGs who play that gambling style with quick hands i feel might be more effective overall due to the plays they can make vs a guy who just tries and fails to fight through picks every other play and trying and failing to stay in front of a guard.