Is Siakam trade one of the most lopsided trades of recent times?

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Is Siakam trade one of the most lopsided trades of recent times?

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Re: Is Siakam trade one of the most lopsided trades of recent times? 

Post#161 » by Duffman100 » Sat May 31, 2025 11:53 pm

TheAlchemist wrote:
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You've banned me from the Raptors board, quickly with 3 strikes. I was supposed to be reinstated back. Those 3 strikes happened years ago, I've messaged you privately to lift the ban.

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You were banned for 12 hours for fake sources.

lol none of the rest is true.


I can't post on the board, it says i'm banned.

Like dude, I've messaged you privately about this many times. And my post is completely valid, it's a fan forum and people are allowed to state their opinions. Like it's bad when I can't post critically about Masai, when the majority of outside fans are in agreement and say the same thing.


Oh my bad you're right. This was 5 years ago when you wouldn't stop trolling the board with fake rumours despite being told not to. Right now I remember.
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Re: Is Siakam trade one of the most lopsided trades of recent times? 

Post#162 » by Spates » Sun Jun 1, 2025 1:22 am

TheAlchemist wrote:Imagine this: your team just won the championship. The core is strong, the system works, and you can realistically contend for another title—or two.

Then your franchise superstar walks.

Now what?

Option 1: Replace the talent. Bring in someone who can shoulder 60–70% of that superstar’s load. Package depth, use draft picks, clear cap—do what contenders do.
Option 2: Recognize the mountain’s too steep without a lead alpha. Sell high, flip veterans for assets, and start a proper rebuild.
Option 3: Stay the course. Re-sign key players, keep the culture intact, and see how far the team can go.
Option 4: Do absolutely nothing. Let free agents walk. Don't trade. Don’t rebuild. Don’t contend. Just… stall.

Masai Ujiri chose Option 4.

Kawhi left—we get it. But the decisions (or indecisions) that followed? That’s where it gets baffling.
No move for a Kawhi-lite replacement like Jimmy Butler. No aggressive retool. No full teardown.

Instead:

- Marc Gasol: Walked for nothing. The cost? Jonas Valanciunas and picks.

- Serge Ibaka: Left to join Kawhi. Again—no effort to re-sign, no trade, no return.

- Kyle Lowry: Philly reportedly offered Tyrese Maxey. Masai declined, and settled for Precious Achiuwa and Goran Dragic in a quiet sign-and-trade.

- Norman Powell: Wanted to retire a Raptor. Traded for Gary Trent Jr. (who had been trash).

- OG Anunoby: Passed on a reported trade from Portland—Shaedon Sharpe and the #7 pick. Later dealt OG for RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley—good players, but not Sharpe-level upside.

- Pascal Siakam: Traded for filler and late firsts. Picks in the 20s don’t replace an All-NBA forward.

- Scottie Barnes: Chose not to move him in a package for Kevin Durant, even with a win-now core of Siakam, OG, and FVV. That team could’ve been a legitimate Finals threat.

He didn’t commit to contending. He didn’t commit to rebuilding. He hovered. He hesitated. He waited—too long.

And yet, Raptors fans still defend him like he’s infallible.

Look back. Connect the dots. This wasn’t patience—it was paralysis. And yes, Siakam trade was completely lopsided.

This reads as a deeply biased take. The difference between options 3 & 4 that you listed is a matter of personal interpretation. I see it as option 3, it just didn't pan out.

We squeezed the final good years out of Marc and Serge. I doubt they combined for 2 full seasons between them after they left. Even Lowry's highly productive years were behind him by the time he left. It meant there was a natural talent drain as they were (over?)invested in aged players that they couldn't extract much value out of. But the championship was the return on investment.

Following, what they did was re-sign young key players—some of which were major contributors to the title. Those players—FVV, Pascal, OG, Norm—are now starters and major contributors on good teams.

But yes, trading Norm for Trent was a loss.

They also missed in some picks. So they were running a depleted bench for several seasons.

Another mistake was not committing fully to the core they invested in. They seemed tentative post-Tampa and never found the path to complete the roster. In retrospect the 4th pick in 2021 should have been moved to bolster the starting lineup or acquire ready-to-win depth.
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Re: Is Siakam trade one of the most lopsided trades of recent times? 

Post#163 » by Dennis 37 » Sun Jun 1, 2025 2:29 am

ChumboChappati wrote:Siakam was traded from the Toronto Raptors to the Indiana Pacers in early 2024. Raptors got Bruce Brown, Kira Lewis Jr., Jordan Nwora, 2 2024 FRPs & 1 conditional 2026 FRP. While Pacers got Pascal Siakam and 1 SRP.

Since then Pacers have gone to the East Finals twice, and this year they have a great chance to go to the NBA Finals.

In contrast, Raptors do not have much to show for it.
* Pacers did not trade any of their promising youngsters.
* Bruce Brown, Kira Lewis Jr & 2026 FRP were traded in order to get Brandon Ingram & Ochai Agbaji.
* Brandon Ingram would have been available anyway in free agency to sign.
* Ochai Agbaji is nothing special.
* Jordan Nwora is out of the NBA.
* The 2 2024 FRPs they selected are also nothing special.

Is this trade one of the most lopsided trades of recent times?


You don't know the Raptors. BI would not have signed with Toronto as an FA. No highly talented American born player will sign as an FA in Toronto. How Toronto gets players is to trade first and then convince them to stay.

As much as I like Pascal, Pascal without Halibuton is winning nothing.
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Re: Is Siakam trade one of the most lopsided trades of recent times? 

Post#164 » by ChumboChappati » Mon Jun 2, 2025 3:22 pm

Dennis 37 wrote:
ChumboChappati wrote:Siakam was traded from the Toronto Raptors to the Indiana Pacers in early 2024. Raptors got Bruce Brown, Kira Lewis Jr., Jordan Nwora, 2 2024 FRPs & 1 conditional 2026 FRP. While Pacers got Pascal Siakam and 1 SRP.

Since then Pacers have gone to the East Finals twice, and this year they have a great chance to go to the NBA Finals.

In contrast, Raptors do not have much to show for it.
* Pacers did not trade any of their promising youngsters.
* Bruce Brown, Kira Lewis Jr & 2026 FRP were traded in order to get Brandon Ingram & Ochai Agbaji.
* Brandon Ingram would have been available anyway in free agency to sign.
* Ochai Agbaji is nothing special.
* Jordan Nwora is out of the NBA.
* The 2 2024 FRPs they selected are also nothing special.

Is this trade one of the most lopsided trades of recent times?


You don't know the Raptors. BI would not have signed with Toronto as an FA. No highly talented American born player will sign as an FA in Toronto. How Toronto gets players is to trade first and then convince them to stay.

As much as I like Pascal, Pascal without Halibuton is winning nothing.

Then why have a team in Toronto? NBA is a player's league, and if the majority of players do not want to play in Toronto, then perhaps the NBA should move the team to a US city like Seattle or Las Vegas. Toronto fans can either continue to support Raptors in the new city or they can switch to support the team nearest to Toronto, like Detroit Pistons.
Or if NBA wants to keep Raptors in Toronto then make some rule changes so that players are not so alienated from Toronto.
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Re: Is Siakam trade one of the most lopsided trades of recent times? 

Post#165 » by UnbelievablyRAW » Mon Jun 2, 2025 3:34 pm

Pretty sure people here were saying it was an overpay because he was expiring.
"Above average role player is now being paid like a superstar from one good playoff series. This will end up as one of the worst contracts in the league." paulbball on Pascal Siakam
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Re: Is Siakam trade one of the most lopsided trades of recent times? 

Post#166 » by Anticon » Mon Jun 2, 2025 3:39 pm

Siakam is the curious case of a second or third option on a contender that can look like a first option as long as he plays with a player that is a true first option.

Indy with Hali is the type of pairing he needs to be unlocked. The bonus of Turner as a shooting threat at the 5 offsets his other weaknesses perfectly.

The bigger issue than the return is how they managed the situation from a relationship and team building perspective. Nothing they did made sense.
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Re: Is Siakam trade one of the most lopsided trades of recent times? 

Post#167 » by Dennis 37 » Mon Jun 2, 2025 10:32 pm

ChumboChappati wrote:
Dennis 37 wrote:
ChumboChappati wrote:Siakam was traded from the Toronto Raptors to the Indiana Pacers in early 2024. Raptors got Bruce Brown, Kira Lewis Jr., Jordan Nwora, 2 2024 FRPs & 1 conditional 2026 FRP. While Pacers got Pascal Siakam and 1 SRP.

Since then Pacers have gone to the East Finals twice, and this year they have a great chance to go to the NBA Finals.

In contrast, Raptors do not have much to show for it.
* Pacers did not trade any of their promising youngsters.
* Bruce Brown, Kira Lewis Jr & 2026 FRP were traded in order to get Brandon Ingram & Ochai Agbaji.
* Brandon Ingram would have been available anyway in free agency to sign.
* Ochai Agbaji is nothing special.
* Jordan Nwora is out of the NBA.
* The 2 2024 FRPs they selected are also nothing special.

Is this trade one of the most lopsided trades of recent times?


You don't know the Raptors. BI would not have signed with Toronto as an FA. No highly talented American born player will sign as an FA in Toronto. How Toronto gets players is to trade first and then convince them to stay.

As much as I like Pascal, Pascal without Halibuton is winning nothing.

Then why have a team in Toronto? NBA is a player's league, and if the majority of players do not want to play in Toronto, then perhaps the NBA should move the team to a US city like Seattle or Las Vegas. Toronto fans can either continue to support Raptors in the new city or they can switch to support the team nearest to Toronto, like Detroit Pistons.
Or if NBA wants to keep Raptors in Toronto then make some rule changes so that players are not so alienated from Toronto.


I didn't say the majority do not want to play in Toronto. I said that FAs have a misconception of what Toronto is like and they assume they wouldn't like it here. That's why Toronto has to trade for upcoming FAs if they want any chance to sign them here.

DeRozan, since he's been in Toronto, would come back.

Now I agree that the salary cap should get in after tax dollars.
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Re: Is Siakam trade one of the most lopsided trades of recent times? 

Post#168 » by doogie_hauser » Fri Jun 20, 2025 4:59 am

What an incredible play-offs and finals performance so far from Spicy P.

Clearing Cap Space/Planning for the future but honestly Masai should have gotten a lot more back in the Siakam trade whom has been a sensational recruit for the Pacers, brought a winners mentality and leadership to this very young but talented Pacers roster
This trade did nothing to improve or fast track Toronto's rebuild and maybe is the major reason why the Pacers win their first chip (touchwood for game 7)
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Re: Is Siakam trade one of the most lopsided trades of recent times? 

Post#169 » by xBulletproof » Fri Jun 20, 2025 5:10 am

doogie_hauser wrote:What an incredible play-offs and finals performance so far from Spicy P.

Clearing Cap Space/Planning for the future but honestly Masai should have gotten a lot more back in the Siakam trade whom has been a sensational recruit for the Pacers, brought a winners mentality and leadership to this very young but talented Pacers roster
This trade did nothing to improve or fast track Toronto's rebuild and maybe is the major reason why the Pacers win their first chip (touchwood for game 7)


There wasn't much more to get in that trade, honestly. He was a free agent in a couple months, and he chose Indiana as his preferred destination. They could have had the cap space to sign him then. Other teams aren't going to trade much for a guy who wants to go somewhere else in a couple months.

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