[Shams] Myles Turner signs with the Bucks (4-year, $107 million)

[JujitsuFlip]

Toppin was better Pacer come playoffs time than Myles Fricking Turner , sorry but that is the truth and I watched every single game

Did you tune out when the Pacers were on defense?

Pacers defense was solid as a collective defense , Nembhard Hali Obi , not fricking Myles alone

He did average 2.8 BPG against the Cavs in round 2. He was shutting down their guards at the rim.

[NO-KG-AI]

Best case: one year suffer.
Worst case: 2 yeears suffer.

How to kill decade: stretch him for 5 years, use money to sign archetype of player you had last year ( and year prior) where you lost in first round. Have no pick and still have delusional faith that Giannis + G league roster will carry you anywhere.

Bucks have no objective path toward compeating for title. They just continue to dig themself deeper into hole.

In words of person way smarter than me "The wise man is he who knows when and how to stop” . Victor Hugo.

Comparing Lopez with Turner at this point is highly disingenuous. The numbers defensively and offensively are on totally different levels

I said same archetype, didn't compare them. But they do same stuff. Turner is younger and better today. But Lopez had great playoffs last year and Bucks still lost in first round. Ditto to year prior ( when you guys even had Jrue and Middelton ).

Turner is very good player ( literally wrote this earlier today on GB )- but in context of Bucks, he simply can't move the needle to make difference that is required to uplift Bucks team due how much of a mess rest of Bucks roster is.

I wish Bucks and every other team best, it's just my personal opinion that all those moves are just prolonging inevitable rebuild.

Prolonging the rebuild is exactly what they are doing. They aren’t trying to take a PR hit like losing Giannis and giving away the #1 pick in the same season. They are patching it all together to make the playoffs for a year or so, and if they don’t get any real luck, they can trade Giannis and Turner too when they have their picks back.

[SpreeS]

So instead of paying Lillard 50mln per year for one injured season and one healthy, they will pay 50mln per season to Turner (Turner contract + Lillard buyout) for 4 years. This is so stupid move…

[___Rand___]

What is the Pacers' plan at center?

[Dominator83]

This whole thing with Indy being scared of the tax..... Can't they apply for cap relief for this season on Hali??

The most a designated player exception will give a team is like 14 million for a salary that big and I believe if you use it, it still counts against the cap, so usually it never gets used.

I think they can put in for it at the start of the season. It would atleast get them under the tax threshold. And I'm probably wrong, but I thought it was closer to half. Because when the Bulls did that with Lonzo, they got like a $10 mill exception and he was making $21

[IMF]

Wow. So what are Pacers going to do for Center? I assume they have a backup plan.

Maybe Ayton on MLE. Maybe play the young guys and mini-tank. It’s a lost season and we own our own pick.

All I want to definitely see next year is a ton of minutes for our top ten picks Mathurin and Walker. It’s the only silver lining of this situation. Let those guys play and let the chips fall where they may.

[Chuck Everett]

This whole thing with Indy being scared of the tax..... Can't they apply for cap relief for this season on Hali??

The most a designated player exception will give a team is like 14 million for a salary that big and I believe if you use it, it still counts against the cap, so usually it never gets used.

I think they can put in for it at the start of the season. It would atleast get them under the tax threshold. And I'm probably wrong, but I thought it was closer to half. Because when the Bulls did that with Lonzo, they got like a $10 mill exception and he was making $21

Here's a breakdown:

Determining the Exception Amount:

The DPE allows a team to replace an injured player with a player whose salary is no more than the lesser of half the injured player's salary or the NTMLE. 

Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception (NTMLE):

For the 2024-25 season, the NTMLE is $14,104,000. 

Example:

If a team has a player with a $10 million salary injured, the DPE would be $5 million (half of $10 million) or $14,104,000 (the NTMLE), whichever is less. In this case, it would be $5 million. 

The most they would receive is 14.1 million.

[SirChurros]

Best case: one year suffer.
Worst case: 2 yeears suffer.

How to kill decade: stretch him for 5 years, use money to sign archetype of player you had last year ( and year prior) where you lost in first round. Have no pick and still have delusional faith that Giannis + G league roster will carry you anywhere.

Bucks have no objective path toward compeating for title. They just continue to dig themself deeper into hole.

In words of person way smarter than me "The wise man is he who knows when and how to stop” . Victor Hugo.

Comparing Lopez with Turner at this point is highly disingenuous. The numbers defensively and offensively are on totally different levels

I said same archetype, didn't compare them. But they do same stuff. Turner is younger and better today. But Lopez had great playoffs last year and Bucks still lost in first round. Ditto to year prior ( when you guys even had Jrue and Middelton ).

Turner is very good player ( literally wrote this earlier today on GB )- but in context of Bucks, he simply can't move the needle to make difference that is required to uplift Bucks team due how much of a mess rest of Bucks roster is.

I wish Bucks and every other team best, it's just my personal opinion that all those moves are just prolonging inevitable rebuild.

The Bucks will always be a better team with Giannis on the roster and he means more to the city and franchise than most “outsiders,” realize. He’s going to retire a Buck.

That said, their best bet is to try to put the most competitive team around him, and in an East that is wide open, so who knows.

They’re going to suck for a long time whenever he leaves regardless.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

If they can sign Beal after he gets waived, Bucks might be in bid'ness

Porter
Beal
Jackson
Antetokounmpo
Turner

[MrGoat]

Wow. So what are Pacers going to do for Center? I assume they have a backup plan.

Maybe Ayton on MLE. Maybe play the young guys and mini-tank. It’s a lost season and we own our own pick.

All I want to definitely see next year is a ton of minutes for our top ten picks Mathurin and Walker. It’s the only silver lining of this situation. Let those guys play and let the chips fall where they may.

Ayton's probably going to the Lakers to get spoon fed free points by Luka in his contract year. Would've been a more realistic case to make to him if Hali didn't go down

[old skool]

So instead of paying Lillard 50mln per year for one injured season and one healthy, they will pay 50mln per season to Turner (Turner contract + Lillard buyout) for 4 years. This is so stupid move…

Instead of spending $113-mil for an injured Lillard this season and a diminished Lillard in 2026-27, Milwaukee will pay $94.9-mil for 2 seasons of Turner at center and the stretch of Dame's contract. That leaves them $17.6-mil to spend on another contract over the next 2 seasons. That is a good use of resources for a team that has an all-time great in Antetokounmpo.

Their pain will come in years 3-5, when Dame's remaining $67.5-mil will continue to be spread, but it made zero sense to remain committed to the Antetokounmpo / Lillard pairing once Dame went down with an injury that has serious consequences in both the short and long terms.

This improves Milwaukee's roster in the short term and gives the F.O. time to make other adjustments to take advantage of Antetokounmpo's career with the Bucks.

[Froob]

myles turner got 3 rebounds a game in the knicks series. idk man I don’t think he’s worth that kinda dough

[IMF]

Wow. So what are Pacers going to do for Center? I assume they have a backup plan.

Maybe Ayton on MLE. Maybe play the young guys and mini-tank. It’s a lost season and we own our own pick.

All I want to definitely see next year is a ton of minutes for our top ten picks Mathurin and Walker. It’s the only silver lining of this situation. Let those guys play and let the chips fall where they may.

Ayton's probably going to the Lakers to get spoon fed free points by Luka in his contract year. Would've been a more realistic case to make to him if Hali didn't go down

We might be able to offer more money (they already spent part of their MLE right? We have the full amount)

It would be another decent Pacers reclamation project and we already signed Ayton once. I don’t exactly care though, they can start Obi Toppin at center for all I care this year is about Mathurin and Walker. Hell if we don’t get Ayton they should give Wiseman another shot he looked promising before his injury too.

[Pointgod]

This whole thing with Indy being scared of the tax..... Can't they apply for cap relief for this season on Hali??

Yes they will but I think letting go of Turner was about future flexibility. They’re cooked with Haliburton out for the year and the upcoming extension for Mathurin, Isiah Jackson and Nesmith means that they’d be over the cap for a low playoff seed and they probably want to wait to see how Haliburton looks before committing big money to this iteration of the team.

[Profound23]

myles turner got 3 rebounds a game in the knicks series. idk man I don’t think he’s worth that kinda dough

Bucks have Portis and Giannis for rebounds if needed, their main concern was a stretch big who can defend...which everyone said they lost after Lopez left yesterday...now they have a younger player who can do the same thing Lopez did and it's still a negative some how lol

[___Rand___]

Maybe Ayton on MLE. Maybe play the young guys and mini-tank. It’s a lost season and we own our own pick.

All I want to definitely see next year is a ton of minutes for our top ten picks Mathurin and Walker. It’s the only silver lining of this situation. Let those guys play and let the chips fall where they may.

Ayton's probably going to the Lakers to get spoon fed free points by Luka in his contract year. Would've been a more realistic case to make to him if Hali didn't go down

We might be able to offer more money (they already spent part of their MLE right? We have the full amount)

It would be another decent Pacers reclamation project and we already signed Ayton once. I don’t exactly care though, they can start Obi Toppin at center for all I care this year is about Mathurin and Walker. Hell if we don’t get Ayton they should give Wiseman another shot he looked promising before his injury too.

I am pretty sure Pacers had a backup plan (or not) for this eventuality. I think if you can find a small ball center who's a shot blocker, or small ball stretch 5 would work here. You're right next year doesn't matter but I don't think you're tanking either. you guys can be in the middle of the pack 4-6 seed in the east with current roster if the rest of starters stays healthy.

[old skool]

myles turner got 3 rebounds a game in the knicks series. idk man I don’t think he’s worth that kinda dough

Getting 3 rebounds a game while beating the Knicks is better than getting 7 rebounds a game against the Celtics in the previous playoffs while losing.

There is no need to focus on one playoff series for a veteran who has played in eleven others. Turner has an established production record in the playoffs, averaging 6 rebounds per game. Not great. Not horrible. He instantly improves Milwaukee's defensive switching and gets their roster younger while avoiding wasting a full season of Giannis Antetokounmpo's career. That justifies the expenditure.

[Sixers in 4]

myles turner got 3 rebounds a game in the knicks series. idk man I don’t think he’s worth that kinda dough

He got Naz Reid money.

He's worth the dough

[kobyz]

Pacers gonna trade Siakam and tank the season i guess

[Up-And-Coming]

As I was saying in the Damian Lillard thread I think this opens up Bradley Beal to the Bucks via their Full MLE. The Bucks have been rumored to be on Beal's short list of destinations he would waive his NTC for but this scenario doesn't even require him to do so. Suns waive and stretch Beal (giving up $2.8 mil per which is $13.8 mil in Full to satisfy the 15%) opening up the Suns to use and split their Full MLE on Chris Paul (beat out Clippers offer) plus GP2, Brogdon or someone else they want.

The Pacers have their Full MLE to fill their gap in Center with either a similar switchable stretch big in Al Horford or perhaps a different look with Ayton.