2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread

[NaturalBuns]

The fact that people even are debating MVP.

If Russell finishes 30/10/10 it's a wrap period that's like bonds hitting 70+ HRs ull never see it again

[K_chile22]

The fact that people even are debating MVP.

If Russell finishes 30/10/10 it's a wrap period that's like bonds hitting 70+ HRs ull never see it again

I mean... 30 point triple double has happened before. Nearly twice (Big O had 9.9 rebounds one year).

28 and 11.5 has literally never happened. Not to mention the 8 rebounds Harden gets a game. Harden is the one doing something that's never been done, but no one cares about that for whatever reason.

[NaturalBuns]

The fact that people even are debating MVP.

If Russell finishes 30/10/10 it's a wrap period that's like bonds hitting 70+ HRs ull never see it again

I mean... 30 point triple double has happened before. Nearly twice (Big O had 9.9 rebounds one year).

28 and 11.5 has literally never happened. Not to mention the 8 rebounds Harden gets a game. Harden is the one doing something that's never been done, but no one cares about that for whatever reason.

It's only happened once. Its literally a goat achievement

[bwgood77]

The fact that people even are debating MVP.

If Russell finishes 30/10/10 it's a wrap period that's like bonds hitting 70+ HRs ull never see it again

Is 29/9/9 not worthy? Is it that much of a difference to cost him the MVP if 30/10/10 would get it?

[NaturalBuns]

The fact that people even are debating MVP.

If Russell finishes 30/10/10 it's a wrap period that's like bonds hitting 70+ HRs ull never see it again

Is 29/9/9 not worthy? Is it that much of a difference to cost him the MVP if 30/10/10 would get it?

I never said that I said if he avgs a triple double it can't really be a debate

[K_chile22]

The fact that people even are debating MVP.

If Russell finishes 30/10/10 it's a wrap period that's like bonds hitting 70+ HRs ull never see it again

I mean... 30 point triple double has happened before. Nearly twice (Big O had 9.9 rebounds one year).

28 and 11.5 has literally never happened. Not to mention the 8 rebounds Harden gets a game. Harden is the one doing something that's never been done, but no one cares about that for whatever reason.

It's only happened once. Its literally a goat achievement

And 28 and 11.5 has literally happened 0 times. Is that also not a GOAT achievement? The number 10 is just as arbitrary as 11.5.

[NaturalBuns]

I mean... 30 point triple double has happened before. Nearly twice (Big O had 9.9 rebounds one year).

28 and 11.5 has literally never happened. Not to mention the 8 rebounds Harden gets a game. Harden is the one doing something that's never been done, but no one cares about that for whatever reason.

It's only happened once. Its literally a goat achievement

And 28 and 11.5 has literally happened 0 times. Is that also not a GOAT achievement? The number 10 is just as arbitrary as 11.5.

It's great but it's not averaging a triple double over 82 games. (If he does achieve it)

[ThePersianFreak]

Im starting to hate tripple doubles
Harden's clearly having a better year than Westbrook, and people are getting hyped because Wesbrook averges 1.8 rpg more than Harden?
Come on now, Harden is doing all of that while being a more effecient scorer. Like it's not even close.

[K_chile22]

Im starting to hate tripple doubles
Harden's clearly having a better year than Westbrook, and people are getting hyped because Wesbrook averges 1.8 rpg more than Harden?
Come on now, Harden is doing all of that while being a more effecient scorer. Like it's not even close.

I'd also like to point out that (not saying it's a bad thing, it's a legit offensive strategy for them to get in transition) the bigs box out to allow Westbrook to get a ton of free rebounds. He leads the entire NBA (0.2 a game more than Whiteside) in uncontested rebounds. He only averages 0.2 contested rebounds a game more than Harden and Harden has a Better contested rebound% (20.4 vs 24.2). If the Rockets played the same way, which they kinda do, just not to near the extent, Harden would average ten rebounds a game as well.
What Russ is doing is amazing, but not because of triple doubles, which are arbitrary.

[bondom34]

Harden is not clearly having a better year. His team however is.

And yes,triple doubles are essentially arbitrary. But take that away and Russ still is having an amazing year at the level of Harden. I think people are just trying to dislike triple doubles at this point, when that isn't why he's been so good. If you claimthey don't matter but efficiency does, you're just ignoring one metric to use another of your choice.

[B-easy]

D'antoni system producing MVP's first it was Nash, now its (probably) Harden despite Westbrook having a better statistical season. Heck he even made Lin look like a beast.

[bakesale]

The fact that people even are debating MVP.

If Russell finishes 30/10/10 it's a wrap period that's like bonds hitting 70+ HRs ull never see it again

I hate Harden and Westbrook but it's gotta be Harden this year.

Harden is set to win 60+ wins this year with the Rockets. When you watch Harden this season it looks like he's genuinely making his teammates better, he seems to be giving all his teammates high quality looks. Winning seems to come easily most of the time. There's a fluidity to the way the Rockets play and that starts with Harden. He's totally revived Eric Gordon's career and reminded everyone how good Ryan Anderson is.

Westbrook's low TS% tells me that he can't shoot that well and or takes ill advised shot attempts which = bad decision making which is not what I want from my point guard. I know he has less talent surrounding him than Harden but every game seems like a bit more of a struggle than it is for the Rockets. Fair or not when tallying up MVP votes this will count against him.

[red96]

For everyone that's mesmerized by the possibility of player averaging a tripple dub, you all need to realize that the only guy to have ever done it didn't win. Let me say that again.
OSCAR ROBERTSON DIDN'T WIN MVP FOR THE 1ST AND ONLY TRIPPLE DOUBLE SEASON. So why do some people think that it should automaticly make Westbrook the MVP? Can anyone answer this?

[Ballerhogger]

For everyone that's mesmerized by the possibility of player averaging a tripple dub, you all need to realize that the only guy to have ever done it didn't win. Let me say that again.
OSCAR ROBINSON DIDN'T WIN MVP FOR THE 1ST AND ONLY TRIPPLE DOUBLE SEASON. So why do some people think that it should automaticly make Westbrook the MVP? Can anyone answer this?

The appreciation of Avg a triple has grown and the newest of it. It's been done once a long long time ago where the media was not was it is now. The thunder record won't be good enough to warrant it over Harden.

[bondom34]

For everyone that's mesmerized by the possibility of player averaging a tripple dub, you all need to realize that the only guy to have ever done it didn't win. Let me say that again.
OSCAR ROBINSON DIDN'T WIN MVP FOR THE 1ST AND ONLY TRIPPLE DOUBLE SEASON. So why do some people think that it should automaticly make Westbrook the MVP? Can anyone answer this?

I don't know who Oscar Robinson is.

But if its Robertson, that season Bill Russell averaged 19/24/5 on the best team in the league.

[Hero]

The fact that people even are debating MVP.

If Russell finishes 30/10/10 it's a wrap period that's like bonds hitting 70+ HRs ull never see it again

This sure is false.
OKC is what 7th right now?

Do tell me how many times has the MVP gone to a 7th place team?
Or a 6th place team?

[Green89]

The fact that people even are debating MVP.

If Russell finishes 30/10/10 it's a wrap period that's like bonds hitting 70+ HRs ull never see it again

I mean... 30 point triple double has happened before. Nearly twice (Big O had 9.9 rebounds one year).

28 and 11.5 has literally never happened. Not to mention the 8 rebounds Harden gets a game. Harden is the one doing something that's never been done, but no one cares about that for whatever reason.

Does anyone know if any MVP winner has averaged more than 5 turnovers per game like both Harden and Westbrook average now?

[bondom34]

The fact that people even are debating MVP.

If Russell finishes 30/10/10 it's a wrap period that's like bonds hitting 70+ HRs ull never see it again

I mean... 30 point triple double has happened before. Nearly twice (Big O had 9.9 rebounds one year).

28 and 11.5 has literally never happened. Not to mention the 8 rebounds Harden gets a game. Harden is the one doing something that's never been done, but no one cares about that for whatever reason.

Does anyone know if any MVP winner has averaged more than 5 turnovers per game like both Harden and Westbrook average now?

By percentage Nash's MVP seasons both had higher TO % than either Harden or Westbrook.

[ocelot17]

The triple double is the most overrated stat in all of sports.

Seriously, how is this even a discussion? An MVP for Westbrook? For averaging 1.5 more uncontested, stat padded rebounds, while leading his team all the way the the 7th seed.

Meanwhile, harden just got his 13th triple double. The more triple doubles harden gets, the more it devalues Westbrooks triple doubles.

[bondom34]

The triple double is the most overrated stat in all of sports.



Meanwhile, harden just got his 13th triple double.

This is a great post.

Also the stat padding thing needs to stop. I don't think people believe it anymore, it's been proven wrong, and sounds like you're really trying to reach to discredit a guy when it's used.

And before today Harden had a - plus/minus for January (not on/off, actual raw plus/minus).