2024-25 NBA MVP Discussion Thread (Pt. 2)

[MoneyTalks41890]

"GOAT regular season"

Does defense just not matter lol

6th in the NBA in steals. The only player in the top 13 of SPG who's not a guard. So yeah.

But I know, nerd stats are the only stats that matter.

Shai is 3rd in steals and 6th in the league in steals+blocks. Jokic not top 25 there.

That’s a pretty regular stat.

[BigGargamel]

"GOAT regular season"

Does defense just not matter lol

6th in the NBA in steals. The only player in the top 13 of SPG who's not a guard. So yeah.

But I know, nerd stats are the only stats that matter.

Shai is 3rd in steals and 6th in the league in steals+blocks. Jokic not top 25 there.

That’s a pretty regular stat.

I didn't say he was as good of a defender as SGA, or even close. Of course he isn't. But people still want to act like Jokic plays no defense. It's just not true.

[ITYSL]

Update to the composite score I do, which is an average of four advanced statistics graded on a scale - BPM, VORP, EPM and EPM Wins.



Garland is obviously the biggest surprise here. He has really good EPM numbers, but is much lower in other impact stats like LEBRON and DARKO. Has me thinking that I need to do a composite impact score that includes EPM, EPM Wins, LEBRON and LEBRON WAR

Either way you cut it, I think it's clear that this is a 2-man race for MVP, which is of no surprise to anyone on here.

[brackdan70]

Update to the composite score I do, which is an average of four advanced statistics graded on a scale - BPM, VORP, EPM and EPM Wins.



Garland is obviously the biggest surprise here. He has really good EPM numbers, but is much lower in other impact stats like LEBRON and DARKO. Has me thinking that I need to do a composite impact score that includes EPM, EPM Wins, LEBRON and LEBRON WAR

Either way you cut it, I think it's clear that this is a 2-man race for MVP, which is of no surprise to anyone on here.

Personally…for the sake of MVP, availability matters so I would use, LEBRON WAR and EPM wins and not the basic metrics. I think using BPM and VORP from Basketball Reference waters things down as they are not adjusted. Just box score derived. What are you trying to show by including those stats? Maybe there is a good reason that I am missing. If you wanted to use data like that maybe just use Win Shares.

[ITYSL]

Update to the composite score I do, which is an average of four advanced statistics graded on a scale - BPM, VORP, EPM and EPM Wins.



Garland is obviously the biggest surprise here. He has really good EPM numbers, but is much lower in other impact stats like LEBRON and DARKO. Has me thinking that I need to do a composite impact score that includes EPM, EPM Wins, LEBRON and LEBRON WAR

Either way you cut it, I think it's clear that this is a 2-man race for MVP, which is of no surprise to anyone on here.

Personally…for the sake of MVP, availability matters so I would use, LEBRON WAR and EPM wins and not the basic metrics. I think using BPM and VORP from Basketball Reference waters things down as they are not adjusted. Just box score derived. What are you trying to show by including those stats? Maybe there is a good reason that I am missing. If you wanted to use data like that maybe just use Win Shares.

Well the idea behind it is to use both boxscore and impact metrics, and both rate and production metrics.

I think BPM holds up as a decent advanced boxscore metric. The top player seasons in history make sense by and large.

Certainly open to hearing other possible strategies.

Could do just a total straight boxscore production metric like pts+rbs+ast+stl+blk-TO and then pair that with EPM Wins or LEBRON WAR to get a good composite production metric

[doogie_hauser]

I am not Shai's biggest fan, but really, some of the excuses/reasons why SGA shouldn't win MVP now are pretty spurious, if not downright clutching St Straws.

He will probably drop a 50 point bag at MSG and really put his MVP candidacy in lights.

[ChumboChappati]

Update to the composite score I do, which is an average of four advanced statistics graded on a scale - BPM, VORP, EPM and EPM Wins.



Garland is obviously the biggest surprise here. He has really good EPM numbers, but is much lower in other impact stats like LEBRON and DARKO. Has me thinking that I need to do a composite impact score that includes EPM, EPM Wins, LEBRON and LEBRON WAR

Either way you cut it, I think it's clear that this is a 2-man race for MVP, which is of no surprise to anyone on here.

Giannis and Wemby should be above Tatum. You are doing something wrong.

[Special_Puppy]

I am not Shai's biggest fan, but really, some of the excuses/reasons why SGA shouldn't win MVP now are pretty spurious, if not downright clutching St Straws.

He will probably drop a 50 point bag at MSG and really put his MVP candidacy in lights.

What reasons do you find spurious?

[Rdude22]

Great MVP performance by SGA tonight. Looked unstoppable.

Ppl need to stop crying and clutching to their stannery and just appreciate what these guys are doing.

We've had a chance to witness (and hopefully appreciate) Jokic and Giannis be similarly dominant the last handful of years, and now so far it's been SGA's world. Killing it on offense, defense, advanced stats, surface stats, eye test, in the clutch, and all the while stacking up wins. Obviously the conventional front-runner for MVP so far as we near the halfway mark.

Should be rooting for him, while also rooting for the Tatums, KATs, Wembys, and Lukas to turn it up a knotch as well.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

OT but kind of crazy how three out of the top 5 guys don't have a GOAT type pedigree. all draft outside the top 10. Didn't immediately take the league by storm their first year but then shot up the Top players listing within a couple of years.

[AleksandarN]

Jokic mvp performance in the first half so far

20 pts 5 rebs 6 asts 3 stls in 18 minutes

[RB34]

SGA has a great game, Joker comes out and has a better one.

4 steals too! That must mean he’s a great defender.

[Jaqua92]

"GOAT regular season"

Does defense just not matter lol

6th in the NBA in steals. The only player in the top 13 of SPG who's not a guard. So yeah.

But I know, nerd stats are the only stats that matter.

Shai is 3rd in steals and 6th in the league in steals+blocks. Jokic not top 25 there.

That’s a pretty regular stat.

Who cares? Jokic is outplaying SGA dramatically.

[Jaqua92]

Great MVP performance by SGA tonight. Looked unstoppable.

Ppl need to stop crying and clutching to their stannery and just appreciate what these guys are doing.

We've had a chance to witness (and hopefully appreciate) Jokic and Giannis be similarly dominant the last handful of years, and now so far it's been SGA's world. Killing it on offense, defense, advanced stats, surface stats, eye test, in the clutch, and all the while stacking up wins. Obviously the conventional front-runner for MVP so far as we near the halfway mark.

Should be rooting for him, while also rooting for the Tatums, KATs, Wembys, and Lukas to turn it up a knotch as well.

Jokic was better tonight, and is a 3x MVP, outplaying him in general, and is a finals MVP while SGA hasn't been out of the second round.

It ain't SGA's world. I

[AleksandarN]

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[Jaqua92]

If Denver gets the 2 seed, SGA winning MVP will join the ranks of MVP robberies, especially after they get bounced in the playoffs this year.

[p0peye]

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That 1 turnover was him running out the clock at the end of the game.

[QPR]

Shotclock violations are recorded as a team turnover only

[AleksandarN]

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[Jaqua92]

Update to the composite score I do, which is an average of four advanced statistics graded on a scale - BPM, VORP, EPM and EPM Wins.



Garland is obviously the biggest surprise here. He has really good EPM numbers, but is much lower in other impact stats like LEBRON and DARKO. Has me thinking that I need to do a composite impact score that includes EPM, EPM Wins, LEBRON and LEBRON WAR

Either way you cut it, I think it's clear that this is a 2-man race for MVP, which is of no surprise to anyone on here.

Personally…for the sake of MVP, availability matters so I would use, LEBRON WAR and EPM wins and not the basic metrics. I think using BPM and VORP from Basketball Reference waters things down as they are not adjusted. Just box score derived. What are you trying to show by including those stats? Maybe there is a good reason that I am missing. If you wanted to use data like that maybe just use Win Shares.

Basically just picking stats that favor SGA.