[2017 NBA Draft Discussion] - (1: PHI, 2: LAL, 3: BOS)!

[DusterBuster]

MCW doesn't have 1 nba skill. He's not a great passer. Doesn't have good handles. Doesn't have a jump shot. He's not even athletic. He has a long wingspan so he plays mediocre defense. That's his skill lol.

Lonzo comes in a better shooter, passer, floor manager, finisher, better handles. Everything but defense. & I'd assume next year that'll change once Lonzo get used to it & MCW is out the league.

Gotta love the short attention span memories of NBA fans.

& How is my attention span short?

Don't be throwing insults with nothing to back it up.

You clearly don't remember his rookie season when he won the RoY award, leading all rooks in points (16.7), assists (6.2) and rebounds (6.3) and had a defensive impact. To simply say "MCW doesn't have 1 nba skill" is patently false. The issue with him is his jumpshooting. In todays NBA, you simply can't run an effective team with a PG who can't shoot.

[JellosJigglin]

Comments like this is why RealGm should institute the "Foul" button, like the "And1" but the opposite

Tall playmaking PG with a broken jumpshot..... sounds like MCW to me.

Just because his form is weird doesn't mean that his shot is broken. What is a "broken shot" anyway?

His play making skills are WAYYY better than MCW

Yeah I've never seen anyone use the term "broken shot" in this way. It's usually used for the guys building chimneys. The prettiest J is the one that goes in.

[Sixerscan]

Gotta love the short attention span memories of NBA fans.

& How is my attention span short?

Don't be throwing insults with nothing to back it up.

You clearly don't remember his rookie season when he won the RoY award, leading all rooks in points (16.7), assists (6.2) and rebounds (6.3) and had a defensive impact. To simply say "MCW doesn't have 1 nba skill" is patently false. The issue with him is his jumpshooting. In todays NBA, you simply can't run an effective team with a PG who can't shoot.

I don't think any of his skills were ever definite starter quality outside of his defense. I guess the rebounding but who cares.

Ball is already a much better point guard than MCW ever was and MCW was 2-3 years older than him as a rookie.

[bwgood77]

Ball is going to be another Rubio....bank on it.

Even if so, Ball can clearly shoot the Basketball and finish at the rim so he would be Rubio without his two most glaring weaknesses, which to me is worthy of a 2nd pick.
Hell I'd argue Rubio with a jump shot and the ability to finish at the rim is at least a top 5 PG in the league

I was just thinking about this earlier with Rubio. Yeah, if Rubio could shoot he would be a top tier pg in the league.

[bwgood77]

Gotta love the short attention span memories of NBA fans.

& How is my attention span short?

Don't be throwing insults with nothing to back it up.

You clearly don't remember his rookie season when he won the RoY award, leading all rooks in points (16.7), assists (6.2) and rebounds (6.3) and had a defensive impact. To simply say "MCW doesn't have 1 nba skill" is patently false. The issue with him is his jumpshooting. In todays NBA, you simply can't run an effective team with a PG who can't shoot.

That's my biggest fear with Fox. A guy that shot 26.4% from 3 and averaged 4.6 apg on a loaded Kentucky team with a great shooter next to him leaves me wondering why didn't he get more assists?

Generally I'm not a fan of point guards who can't shoot or pass very well.

[zshawn10]

Ford’s newest mock draft ($) outlined several shakeups, beginning with the Sixers on the clock at No. 3, but the most interest tidbit he dropped concerned Sacramento’s rumored infatuation with University of Kentucky guard De’Aaron Fox. With Jackson going third to Philly and Fox landing in Phoenix at No. 4, Ford has Jayson Tatum and Frank Ntilikina mocked to the Kings at Nos. 5 and 10, respectively. But he noted that within the organization, there’s been talk of “combining picks Nos. 5 and 10 to move up in the draft to secure Fox”.

With the consensus being that Markelle Fultz and Lonzo Ball will be the first two players selected, these (hypothetical) conversations would almost definitely kick off with the Sixers at No. 3. They’ve already been linked to Fox multiple times, and with Phoenix a similar wild card at No. 4, it seems likely that Sacramento would have to go through Philadelphia first and foremost if they’re truly committed to securing his services on draft night.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/6/15746608/nba-draft-rumors-kings-willing-to-trade-picks-5-and-10-move-up-for-deaaron-fox-philadelphia-76ers

[2Mas]

& How is my attention span short?

Don't be throwing insults with nothing to back it up.

You clearly don't remember his rookie season when he won the RoY award, leading all rooks in points (16.7), assists (6.2) and rebounds (6.3) and had a defensive impact. To simply say "MCW doesn't have 1 nba skill" is patently false. The issue with him is his jumpshooting. In todays NBA, you simply can't run an effective team with a PG who can't shoot.

I don't think any of his skills were ever definite starter quality outside of his defense. I guess the rebounding but who cares.

Ball is already a much better point guard than MCW ever was and MCW was 2-3 years older than him as a rookie.

I do remember his stat stuffed rookie year from 4 years ago. I'm not sure how that translates to today? & Him being on one of the least talented teams ever put together, playing 35mpg next to James Anderson & Casper Ware in the backcourt, shooting 40% & turning the ball over 4x's a game doesn't mean that MCW is very good.

MCW was kinda out of shape this year. He looks lazy. Nothing is strong. My thing is if he wasn't 6'6, he'd probably wouldn't be on a roster. He doesn't have that 1 thing that really makes you stick. His strongest skill is defense & he's meh/solid at that.

You still have ppl who can't shoot, but they calling cards. Rondo isn't a shooter (even though he's been above 35% for the last 3 years now, but that's another debate), but he's one of the best passers & a true PG. Other ppl who can't shoot - Marcus Smart & Tony Allen. Sucks you can't shoot, but your in the game for defense. Some of the best defenders out there. MCW doesn't have that card.

[DusterBuster]

& How is my attention span short?

Don't be throwing insults with nothing to back it up.

You clearly don't remember his rookie season when he won the RoY award, leading all rooks in points (16.7), assists (6.2) and rebounds (6.3) and had a defensive impact. To simply say "MCW doesn't have 1 nba skill" is patently false. The issue with him is his jumpshooting. In todays NBA, you simply can't run an effective team with a PG who can't shoot.

That's my biggest fear with Fox. A guy that shot 26.4% from 3 and averaged 4.6 apg on a loaded Kentucky team with a great shooter next to him leaves me wondering why didn't he get more assists?

Generally I'm not a fan of point guards who can't shoot or pass very well.

I'm not a fan of ANY player who's got shooting issues. MCW, Rubio, MKG, RHJ..... anyone notice how a lot of the terrible shooters have 3 names?

[2Mas]

& How is my attention span short?

Don't be throwing insults with nothing to back it up.

You clearly don't remember his rookie season when he won the RoY award, leading all rooks in points (16.7), assists (6.2) and rebounds (6.3) and had a defensive impact. To simply say "MCW doesn't have 1 nba skill" is patently false. The issue with him is his jumpshooting. In todays NBA, you simply can't run an effective team with a PG who can't shoot.

That's my biggest fear with Fox. A guy that shot 26.4% from 3 and averaged 4.6 apg on a loaded Kentucky team with a great shooter next to him leaves me wondering why didn't he get more assists?

Generally I'm not a fan of point guards who can't shoot or pass very well.

1- a college game is 8 mins shorter.
2- More movement based & swinging the ball side to side. In the NBA they'll be more put the ball in your hands & go.
It's the same way Booker never did pnr's in Kentucky.

Rondo avg'd 4.9 assist in college. I'm not worried about Fox's distributing skills. That jumper is concerning though. He did shoot 74% from the FT line which is solid. I love the kid though. Think he's going to be very good & a nice compliment to Booker. or Hield if he goes to Sac.

[Mylie10]

& How is my attention span short?

Don't be throwing insults with nothing to back it up.

You clearly don't remember his rookie season when he won the RoY award, leading all rooks in points (16.7), assists (6.2) and rebounds (6.3) and had a defensive impact. To simply say "MCW doesn't have 1 nba skill" is patently false. The issue with him is his jumpshooting. In todays NBA, you simply can't run an effective team with a PG who can't shoot.

That's my biggest fear with Fox. A guy that shot 26.4% from 3 and averaged 4.6 apg on a loaded Kentucky team with a great shooter next to him leaves me wondering why didn't he get more assists?

Generally I'm not a fan of point guards who can't shoot or pass very well.

I'm a bit wary of having m as well. The Ball drubbing vaulted him, and I'm not sure that Fox is more the guy we saw in that game, or more like the player we saw all year.

He is an elite athlete. He does have skill. His jump shot needs consistency, which most young guys coming in need. I don't think he's an instinctual type of point guard. More of a two guard who can play point.

Ball is an instinctual point guard. So depending on the type of guard you want, is how I'd make the pick.

[zshawn10]

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[Patsfan1081]

It's hard to tell whose better. Fultz is the ultimate scorer. His got advanced moves beyond his age plus his shooting and measurables are great. Lonzo is the ultimate team player. His unique and his impact on the game goes far beyond numbers. If his shooting percentages hold up then his a transcendent talent. His efficiency blows all the pgs the past 10 years out of the water. His high IQ and passing is unmatched. Can't lose with either one.

When we're talking about efficiency do you just mean shooting? I mean yeah Ball had a much better ts% than Fultz but he also had zero midrange game. Is he going to be able to finish at the rim as well in the pro's? I also don't expect Fultz to shoot near as bad from the line as he did this year. When you look outside of shooting though Ball had a slightly better steal% but a higher turnover %. Fultz had a better assist % but was slightly less of a rebounder. It will be interesting to see who ends up the better player in the long run. I still lean to Fultz as I believe his floor and ceiling are higher.

[bwgood77]

You clearly don't remember his rookie season when he won the RoY award, leading all rooks in points (16.7), assists (6.2) and rebounds (6.3) and had a defensive impact. To simply say "MCW doesn't have 1 nba skill" is patently false. The issue with him is his jumpshooting. In todays NBA, you simply can't run an effective team with a PG who can't shoot.

That's my biggest fear with Fox. A guy that shot 26.4% from 3 and averaged 4.6 apg on a loaded Kentucky team with a great shooter next to him leaves me wondering why didn't he get more assists?

Generally I'm not a fan of point guards who can't shoot or pass very well.

1- a college game is 8 mins shorter.
2- More movement based & swinging the ball side to side. In the NBA they'll be more put the ball in your hands & go.
It's the same way Booker never did pnr's in Kentucky.

Rondo avg'd 4.9 assist in college. I'm not worried about Fox's distributing skills. That jumper is concerning though. He did shoot 74% from the FT line which is solid. I love the kid though. Think he's going to be very good & a nice compliment to Booker. or Hield if he goes to Sac.

Yeah, but other point guards, like Fultz and Smith, playing with FAR worse teammates to feed, averaged more...Fultz at 5.9, Smith at 6.2.....then of course Ball who had good teammates, over 7. Ulis averaged 7 last year on a Kentucky team with less talent.

Booker didn't do much at Kentucky because he came off the bench behind the Harrison twins.

[bwgood77]

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Probably trying to get Philly to take him. If you thought that was great, and were thinking of drafting him because of it, you'd probably keep that to yourself.

[Drax]

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I do not belive a single word, Devin Bookers jumper looks to smooth for that to be true.

[TOO]

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I do not belive a single word, Devin Bookers jumper looks to smooth for that to be true.

Looks and results are two different things bud.

[Spens1]

Ford’s newest mock draft ($) outlined several shakeups, beginning with the Sixers on the clock at No. 3, but the most interest tidbit he dropped concerned Sacramento’s rumored infatuation with University of Kentucky guard De’Aaron Fox. With Jackson going third to Philly and Fox landing in Phoenix at No. 4, Ford has Jayson Tatum and Frank Ntilikina mocked to the Kings at Nos. 5 and 10, respectively. But he noted that within the organization, there’s been talk of “combining picks Nos. 5 and 10 to move up in the draft to secure Fox”.

With the consensus being that Markelle Fultz and Lonzo Ball will be the first two players selected, these (hypothetical) conversations would almost definitely kick off with the Sixers at No. 3. They’ve already been linked to Fox multiple times, and with Phoenix a similar wild card at No. 4, it seems likely that Sacramento would have to go through Philadelphia first and foremost if they’re truly committed to securing his services on draft night.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/6/15746608/nba-draft-rumors-kings-willing-to-trade-picks-5-and-10-move-up-for-deaaron-fox-philadelphia-76ers

Unless Phoenix takes him theirs a good chance he'll be there at 5 anyway? Why would they do this.

[Mik317]

Ford’s newest mock draft ($) outlined several shakeups, beginning with the Sixers on the clock at No. 3, but the most interest tidbit he dropped concerned Sacramento’s rumored infatuation with University of Kentucky guard De’Aaron Fox. With Jackson going third to Philly and Fox landing in Phoenix at No. 4, Ford has Jayson Tatum and Frank Ntilikina mocked to the Kings at Nos. 5 and 10, respectively. But he noted that within the organization, there’s been talk of “combining picks Nos. 5 and 10 to move up in the draft to secure Fox”.

With the consensus being that Markelle Fultz and Lonzo Ball will be the first two players selected, these (hypothetical) conversations would almost definitely kick off with the Sixers at No. 3. They’ve already been linked to Fox multiple times, and with Phoenix a similar wild card at No. 4, it seems likely that Sacramento would have to go through Philadelphia first and foremost if they’re truly committed to securing his services on draft night.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/6/15746608/nba-draft-rumors-kings-willing-to-trade-picks-5-and-10-move-up-for-deaaron-fox-philadelphia-76ers

Unless Phoenix takes him theirs a good chance he'll be there at 5 anyway? Why would they do this.

Because they fear that Phoenix would in fact take him....or the Sixers would?

[Spens1]

http://www.libertyballers.com/2017/6/6/15746608/nba-draft-rumors-kings-willing-to-trade-picks-5-and-10-move-up-for-deaaron-fox-philadelphia-76ers

Unless Phoenix takes him theirs a good chance he'll be there at 5 anyway? Why would they do this.

Because they fear that Phoenix would in fact take him....or the Sixers would?

Sixers would be mad to take him over Jackson. and is the difference between DSJ and Fox or Fox and Tatum that big.

I mean they probably could end up with Nkilitina, DSJ or Monk at 10 anyway and to be honest, DSJ isn't that far behind Fox.

[Dr Aki]

no way philly or phoenix takes fox over jackson, tatum

why would philly take a ball dominant guard that isn't a great shooter to compound their issues with shooting next to simmons?

why would phoenix take fox, to replace bledsoe? when they could grab that wing scorer and keep bledsoe?

sacramento would be throwing away their #10 just to pay fox MORE?

it doesn't logically stack up

they might do it if they wanted jackson, but not for fox if fox was their guy