MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

[clyde21]

then why'd you post them in comp to Anthony Davis and LeBron James? i already posted Towns' metrics when I dropped my list, I know what his metrics are and I know how they compare to everyone else...

But you clearly don't. If you did, you wouldn't have indicated a large gap between Towns and everyone else after 3rd. His advanced stats are comparable to LeBron and Davis and way way behind Harden. Harden should be your 3rd choice and so far you're only response has been sarcastic rhetorical questions

And in case you get confused again, just remember I'm playing along with what you want to use to determine MVP rankings

I already told I couldn't give two **** about the W/L column at this point.

That's why I excluded it when talking about YOUR argument. I've said this how many times now? I was fair enough not to bring it up because I didn't need it to show Towns as #3 doesn't make any sense.

He's just trolling because he's salty people took Steph and KD off their boards for playing together. That's why he's going out his way to spite LeBron and Harden despite it being blatantly obvious it's the same situation. You've wrecked every argument he has.

well, i'm just applying the same standards. if KD/Steph were disqualified -- and four 3 years mind you -- then so should LeBron/Davis. it's really that simple. you don't get to change standards/goalposts whenever ya'll feel like based on your feelings.

[LikeABosh]

He's just trolling because he's salty people took Steph and KD off their boards for playing together. That's why he's going out his way to spite LeBron and Harden despite it being blatantly obvious it's the same situation. You've wrecked every argument he has.

I figured as much. I'll even concede LeBron and AD probably don't have a great shot. They'll continue to split the votes and share the credit. So if he wanted to exclude them (even if it's because he's still bitter), I can understand.

But Harden out of the top 3 is way out there. I've seen the "he has an MVP teammate" argument before and it's something I probably mentioned early on, but it's weak af. Westbrook certainly isn't an MVP on the Rockets and I'm not even sure Harden is benefiting from him

[Barnzy]

People who think Giannis is the MVP over LeBron due the help argument should watch the bucks blitzing the pelicans without him playing.

Yes AD is great but every player after the 2nd best player is by far better on the bucks. This team is stacked. The Lakers would likely lose to the pelicans without LeBron.

[GSP]

Kat outplayed at home again by Gobert

That simply shouldn't happen to legit Mvp candidates

[MarcusBrody]

But you clearly don't. If you did, you wouldn't have indicated a large gap between Towns and everyone else after 3rd. His advanced stats are comparable to LeBron and Davis and way way behind Harden. Harden should be your 3rd choice and so far you're only response has been sarcastic rhetorical questions

And in case you get confused again, just remember I'm playing along with what you want to use to determine MVP rankings



That's why I excluded it when talking about YOUR argument. I've said this how many times now? I was fair enough not to bring it up because I didn't need it to show Towns as #3 doesn't make any sense.

He's just trolling because he's salty people took Steph and KD off their boards for playing together. That's why he's going out his way to spite LeBron and Harden despite it being blatantly obvious it's the same situation. You've wrecked every argument he has.

well, i'm just applying the same standards. if KD/Steph were disqualified -- and four 3 years mind you -- then so should LeBron/Davis. it's really that simple. you don't get to change standards/goalposts whenever ya'll feel like based on your feelings.

KD and Steph were not a priori disqualified. When KD joined, Steph's stats dropped from his MVP year and the Warriors won less games than the previous year, hurting KD's case. That made it hard to give it to either of them.

[Dupp]

He's just trolling because he's salty people took Steph and KD off their boards for playing together. That's why he's going out his way to spite LeBron and Harden despite it being blatantly obvious it's the same situation. You've wrecked every argument he has.

well, i'm just applying the same standards. if KD/Steph were disqualified -- and four 3 years mind you -- then so should LeBron/Davis. it's really that simple. you don't get to change standards/goalposts whenever ya'll feel like based on your feelings.

KD and Steph were not a priori disqualified. When KD joined, Steph's stats dropped from his MVP year and the Warriors won less games than the previous year, hurting KD's case. That made it hard to give it to either of them.

Steph still ranked highly on people’s list. Neither guy had any case for mvp the three years they were together. Clive just likes to cry about nothing. He’s very hypocritical with his views and takes on Steph and lebron.

[igorbianch]

Kat outplayed at home again by Gobert

That simply shouldn't happen to legit Mvp candidates

KAT made AD look like peak Shaq and Dwight Powell look like Anthony Davis.

I've watched all of Lakers and Mavs games, and KAT was the worst interior defender these teams face all season. Just pathetic.

[WHITE_HOT_HEAT]

then why'd you post them in comp to Anthony Davis and LeBron James? i already posted Towns' metrics when I dropped my list, I know what his metrics are and I know how they compare to everyone else...

But you clearly don't. If you did, you wouldn't have indicated a large gap between Towns and everyone else after 3rd. His advanced stats are comparable to LeBron and Davis and way way behind Harden. Harden should be your 3rd choice and so far you're only response has been sarcastic rhetorical questions

And in case you get confused again, just remember I'm playing along with what you want to use to determine MVP rankings

I already told I couldn't give two **** about the W/L column at this point.

That's why I excluded it when talking about YOUR argument. I've said this how many times now? I was fair enough not to bring it up because I didn't need it to show Towns as #3 doesn't make any sense.

He's just trolling because he's salty people took Steph and KD off their boards for playing together. That's why he's going out his way to spite LeBron and Harden despite it being blatantly obvious it's the same situation. You've wrecked every argument he has.

BINGO!!!
That's what it is for him. No amount of reasonable arguments from multiple posters is going to convince him otherwise.

[Joao Saraiva]

Who would have thought. LeBron is still really on the hunt for his 5th MVP. Giannis stands in the way tough, he's still #1 right now there is no way to deny it.

30.9 PPG 13.2 RPG 5.5 APG 33.8 PER 61.5ts% 31.1 WS/48 13.1 TOV% is a GOAT stat line for RS. Combine that with the Bucks record and right now he is a lock.

[The Lazy Potato]

People who think Giannis is the MVP over LeBron due the help argument should watch the bucks blitzing the pelicans without him playing.

Yes AD is great but every player after the 2nd best player is by far better on the bucks. This team is stacked. The Lakers would likely lose to the pelicans without LeBron.

They were playing the pelecans tho, even the Knicks could win them lol

And Giannis is the MVP so far to be honest, not only by the fans but by the voters too..

[Sulico]

Who would have thought. LeBron is still really on the hunt for his 5th MVP. Giannis stands in the way tough, he's still #1 right now there is no way to deny it.

30.9 PPG 13.2 RPG 5.5 APG 33.8 PER 61.5ts% 31.1 WS/48 13.1 TOV% is a GOAT stat line for RS. Combine that with the Bucks record and right now he is a lock.

Luka have pretty much the same stats line.

Only he's not taking 1st place last year to 1st place this year. He's taking Lotter team to #3.

[trueballer7]

Its Giannis' to lose, followed by Luka and perhaps AD. You cant just disregard AD, when he's been carrying a dead beat team that missed the playoffs entirely to no 1 seed overall.
Its bye bye time for Lebronie in any scenario, he's been padding those stats like crazy when his team is up double digits and still cant produce anything impressive. Quite a sad sight watching him slip in the one area where he is arguably the best ever, the stat padding

[MoMan24]

But you clearly don't. If you did, you wouldn't have indicated a large gap between Towns and everyone else after 3rd. His advanced stats are comparable to LeBron and Davis and way way behind Harden. Harden should be your 3rd choice and so far you're only response has been sarcastic rhetorical questions

And in case you get confused again, just remember I'm playing along with what you want to use to determine MVP rankings



That's why I excluded it when talking about YOUR argument. I've said this how many times now? I was fair enough not to bring it up because I didn't need it to show Towns as #3 doesn't make any sense.

He's just trolling because he's salty people took Steph and KD off their boards for playing together. That's why he's going out his way to spite LeBron and Harden despite it being blatantly obvious it's the same situation. You've wrecked every argument he has.

BINGO!!!
That's what it is for him. No amount of reasonable arguments from multiple posters is going to convince him otherwise.

Also when KD joined in 2016 off season Curry had just won back to back MVP's so winning 3 in a row is basically impossible and KD had won in 2014 so neither were on a drought of winning it since they won the last 3 at the time or even had any sort of narrative especially KD. The Warriors were a 73 win team who nearly won back to back titles so regular season success didn't move the needle much. They also had Thompson and Green on the team, 2 other All-Stars on the team to take pressure off their 2 MVP's. The Lakers haven't made the playoffs since 2013, James hasn't won an MVP since 2013, AD has never won one so their is a narrative there especially for James. They are bringing back a historic franchise from the dead. The Warriors were a super duper team. The Lakers are a dynamic duo.

[Homer38]

But you clearly don't. If you did, you wouldn't have indicated a large gap between Towns and everyone else after 3rd. His advanced stats are comparable to LeBron and Davis and way way behind Harden. Harden should be your 3rd choice and so far you're only response has been sarcastic rhetorical questions

And in case you get confused again, just remember I'm playing along with what you want to use to determine MVP rankings



That's why I excluded it when talking about YOUR argument. I've said this how many times now? I was fair enough not to bring it up because I didn't need it to show Towns as #3 doesn't make any sense.

He's just trolling because he's salty people took Steph and KD off their boards for playing together. That's why he's going out his way to spite LeBron and Harden despite it being blatantly obvious it's the same situation. You've wrecked every argument he has.

well, i'm just applying the same standards. if KD/Steph were disqualified -- and four 3 years mind you -- then so should LeBron/Davis. it's really that simple. you don't get to change standards/goalposts whenever ya'll feel like based on your feelings.

Completely different situation between Davis and LBJ and the situation between Durant and Curry ..... After this duo, the Warriors were a much better team than the lakers .... I mean, the Warriors had the defense player of the year and Klay Thompson .... The Lakers have not got one of his players after Davis and LeBron

If LeBron or Davis are out, the Lakers are pretty mean ... if Curry or Durant was out for a long time, the Warriors could still finish in the first 2 seed in the west without much effort….This is the huge difference.

By the way,Giannis is my pick right now and I would be shocked at this point if he don't win the MVP.

[LipSkinMatter]

Its Giannis' to lose, followed by Luka and perhaps AD. You cant just disregard AD, when he's been carrying a dead beat team that missed the playoffs entirely to no 1 seed overall.
Its bye bye time for Lebronie in any scenario, he's been padding those stats like crazy when his team is up double digits and still cant produce anything impressive. Quite a sad sight watching him slip in the one area where he is arguably the best ever, the stat padding

haHAA

[Homer38]

Its Giannis' to lose, followed by Luka and perhaps AD. You cant just disregard AD, when he's been carrying a dead beat team that missed the playoffs entirely to no 1 seed overall.
Its bye bye time for Lebronie in any scenario, he's been padding those stats like crazy when his team is up double digits and still cant produce anything impressive. Quite a sad sight watching him slip in the one area where he is arguably the best ever, the stat padding

haHAA

He is still mad that LeBron beat his team 5 times in the playoffs in this decade!

[iamworthy]

LeBron will get a lot of votes due to his age and dominance. AD will get a ton of recognition for DPOY but very little MVP votes.

[The_Hater]

4 players have clearly separated themselves from the pack. Giannis, Bron, Doncic and Harden.

If the Lakers finish 1st in the west, I predict that Bron wins. The media loves a good storyline and this would be one for there best player of his generation. The stats won’t matter as much as the storyline to many voters. Giannis has ‘won it last year’ bias working against him and Harden and Doncic likely finish lower in the standings which always hurts. Doncic also might have people not voting for him because they figure he’s going to get lots of chances these next 10-12 years.

[Ambrose]

Its Giannis' to lose, followed by Luka and perhaps AD. You cant just disregard AD, when he's been carrying a dead beat team that missed the playoffs entirely to no 1 seed overall.
Its bye bye time for Lebronie in any scenario, he's been padding those stats like crazy when his team is up double digits and still cant produce anything impressive. Quite a sad sight watching him slip in the one area where he is arguably the best ever, the stat padding

If this was true the Lakers wouldn't be significantly better with LeBron on the court vs AD.

[Jamaaliver]

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