Woj/Shams: Ime Udoka Suspended for 2022-23 Season - Inappropriate Relationship, Conduct Violations

[Castle Black]

This just keeps getting juicier and juicier.

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[azcatz11]

Her name needs to be released. Nia deserves to know (and Kez)

[SNPA]

I think Ime’s reputation is forever ruined as a NBA head coach. He’s 100 percent done. His only way back is if classless organizations like the Kings or the Nets will give him another shot.

Interesting grouping. Sac had issues, classless isn’t one of them.

[tsherkin]

not a big fan of the fact that this happened as an affair under Udoka's wife's nose, of course. but it's a consensual relationship, so this is sort of stupid.

[HotRocks34]

Her name needs to be released. Nia deserves to know (and Kez)

TMZ article says Nia has been told who she is.
https://www.tmz.com/2022/09/24/celtics-ime-udoka-affair-assistant-travel-planner-nia-long-move-boston/

It's all going to come out, I'm sure.

[dc]

not a big fan of the fact that this happened as an affair under Udoka's wife's nose, of course. but it's a consensual relationship, so this is sort of stupid.

I think if it was merely a consensual relationship between 2 people, this wouldn't be a big deal. Would've been swept under the rug. But a months long investigation and the Celts saying there were "multiple" violations of team policy points to it being more than that.

The guess is that it started off as a consensual relationship, then the woman told him she was out of it. At that point, even small things from Ime, like texts beginning her to continue with the relationship, starts becoming a legal issue for the Celts. And that's probably the MINIMUM of what happened.

[tsherkin]

I think if it was merely a consensual relationship between 2 people, this wouldn't be a big deal. Would've been swept under the rug. But a months long investigation and the Celts saying there were "multiple" violations of team policy points to it being more than that.

Yes, that's fair. TO be honest, this is such soap opera-level drama that I've not read as deeply as I probably should have. If he's been hilariously inappropriate, then that's a different story.

[Big J]

The Matty Barnes stuff is what is especially damning to me. He came out swinging defending Dok, but then did a complete 180 on it. My guess is that Dok committed some kind of sex crime or something. Those acts are tolerated the least among inmates.

[bisme37]

not a big fan of the fact that this happened as an affair under Udoka's wife's nose, of course. but it's a consensual relationship, so this is sort of stupid.

The original report from Shams said Udoka was being suspended for a consensual relationship. We don't know a ton of specifics at this point but we do know what Shams said is not accurate. And I think so much of the reaction to this has been wrongly shaped by the original inaccurate report.

A woman had been seeing him consensually and then broke it off and ended it. But Udoka did not stop with his advances and unwanted comments. He's not in trouble for simply having consensual sex so much as he's in trouble for what happened after it was no longer consensual. Because obviously if someone has sex with you once or twice that doesn't make her your sex slave for life. If one party ends it, it's over. So the issue with this particular part of the story was he did not stop after she ended it and even after he was told to stop by the team.

Then on top of that the law firm that investigated found multiple other violations which we don't know the details of. But apparently those details are quite ugly and go well beyond this one relationship. There is more to the story. They've been investigating this behind the scenes for months.

People can think what they want about this but I'd just wish we were not passing judgment based on inaccurate and incomplete tweets from 3 days ago. Shams and Woj both mucked this whole thing up by saying stuff before they knew anything about it. And SAS etc on ESPN keep beating that part of story and ignoring the rest.

Clearly the Celtics did not want to suspend their star coach days before training camp. But whatever happened was really bad and couldn't be ignored.

[bebopdeluxe]

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

Discipling a subordinate who reports harassment isn’t the way to go. From a liability standpoint it’s a nightmare.

Here are the facts:

-Udoka slept with a subordinate.
-the subordinate reported Udoka for harassing her.
-punishing a subordinate for reporting sexual harassment opens you up to lawsuits, where even if you win you have to pay a lot of money for lawyers and it hurts the companies reputation.

It seems to me that you’re the one going with emotional reasons for why the subordinate should be punished, when the facts say she shouldn’t.

You don’t know these as FACTS. Just what is being speculated. The problem with forums is people are allowed to talk with such certainty without the facts and malign people who have differing views.

To be clear, I am maligning posters who are posting misogynistic ish without knowing the facts.

The fact that there was a two-month investigation by an outside firm, the Celtics are suspending Udoka for a year and he is NOT contesting it makes it REALLY hard to believe that this is just some casual office sex - with the implication that the "seducer" (the woman) should get the same punishment as the supposed "victim" (Udoka).

[tsherkin]

A woman had been seeing him consensually and then broke it off and ended it. But Udoka did not stop with his advances and unwanted comments. He's not in trouble for simply having consensual sex so much as he's in trouble for what happened after it was no longer consensual. Because obviously if someone has sex with you once or twice that doesn't make her your sex slave for life. If one party ends it, it's over. So the issue with this particular part of the story was he did not stop after she ended it and even after he was told to stop by the team.

Yeah, that's from an article I clearly have not yet read. Like I said, I haven't read deeply because I don't invest much into the off-court stuff, so I appear to have missed something. Consent is obviously a biiiiiiig issue.

[NyKnicks1714]

Her name needs to be released.

People are still sticking with this dumb stance?

[bebopdeluxe]

has there been any info yet on what barnes was talking about or is it all still just speculation

Unless Woj or Shams or any of the major agencies leak it, I doubt everything will come out, cause I believe it will greater damage Udoka's image.

If it's so bad, why wasn't he fired?

It's either very serious and he should be fired, or it's a minor issue you fine/suspend him. They suspended him................

He probably wasn't fired because if he was fired, Udoka might choose to fight the termination - which could potentially further sully his reputation AND make the name(s) of the woman/women who are involved public (which both the Celtics and that person or persons would rather not see happen).

A one-year suspension gives the person/people within the Celtics org some closure that they took the situation seriously, while giving Udoka potentially the chance to find another gig.

[azcatz11]

Her name needs to be released.

People are still sticking with this dumb stance?

Good job cutting the back half of my post. Someone already confirmed Nia is aware. You really shouldn’t do that

[bebopdeluxe]

Her name needs to be released.

People are still sticking with this dumb stance?

No. Just the misogynists.

[bebopdeluxe]

A woman had been seeing him consensually and then broke it off and ended it. But Udoka did not stop with his advances and unwanted comments. He's not in trouble for simply having consensual sex so much as he's in trouble for what happened after it was no longer consensual. Because obviously if someone has sex with you once or twice that doesn't make her your sex slave for life. If one party ends it, it's over. So the issue with this particular part of the story was he did not stop after she ended it and even after he was told to stop by the team.

Yeah, that's from an article I clearly have not yet read. Like I said, I haven't read deeply because I don't invest much into the off-court stuff, so I appear to have missed something. Consent is obviously a biiiiiiig issue.

If this is the gist of it, I hope this shuts all of the misogynists in this thread the f up. But then again, they probably think that if women say they don't want to have sex with you anymore, that gives you the right to make the woman's life a living hell.

[azcatz11]

Her name needs to be released.

People are still sticking with this dumb stance?

No. Just the misogynists.

If anyone is it’s clearly you the way you throw that word around like a hot potato.

[bebopdeluxe]

People are still sticking with this dumb stance?

No. Just the misogynists.

If anyone is it’s clearly you the way you throw that word around like a hot potato.

I use the word because it fits the posters. If you don't want to be called a misogynist, then don't be one.

Simple.

[bebopdeluxe]

How can you listen to the video from Matt Barnes - someone who knows FROM PERSONAL CONTACTS way more that YOU about what happened - and still have this take? Huh?

Posts like THIS are why this country is going to hell, IMO.

This is a man who had a friend sleep with his wife. I don’t go by opinions. I go by reality and facts. She should be punished if she’s a staff member and on team payroll. No way around it.

You all want to shame people into agreeing with emotional rants. That is why this country is going to hell. Far too many emotional non-reality posts and no true accountability.

Again, If she’s a STAFF member. She needs to be disciplined as well.

Discipling a subordinate who reports harassment isn’t the way to go. From a liability standpoint it’s a nightmare.

Here are the facts:

-Udoka slept with a subordinate.
-the subordinate reported Udoka for harassing her.
-punishing a subordinate for reporting sexual harassment opens you up to lawsuits, where even if you win you have to pay a lot of money for lawyers and it hurts the companies reputation.

It seems to me that you’re the one going with emotional reasons for why the subordinate should be punished, when the facts say she shouldn’t.

Of course THIS.

[JayMKE]

Feel like there def is more to this story for them to get out in front of it to try to shape narrative