2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread Pt 2

[ThomYorke]

Can't believe people are bringing race into this discussion now.. This is really going too far

[markjay]

Rockets are 13-1 on back to backs with a chance at matching the record this season.

Either way I wasn't hating; just having some fun in this thread.

The Rockets are a better team but Westbrook is the better player. 14-0 run and Westbrook had 12 of them, along with the clutch inbound turnover and game winner. Let's not forget that he basically single handedly willed the Thunder back into the Rockets game and cut it to 8. Show some respect. Coming back from 13 with 4 minutes left is incredible.

Westbrook being the better player is completely subjective. Harden has his own share of games where he willed his team to a win. He averaged 33 points and 13.3 assists over the past week including a game winner followed by a defensive stop.

Also four minutes is still plenty of time for a 13 point deficit so saying it's incredible is hyperbole. Nevertheless great game for Brodie.

Actually it it was three and a half minutes. Being down 13 points with 3:30 to go and winning an NBA game while shutting out the other team, with one player scoring 12 of those comeback points, is exceptionally rare.

[The_Brecht]

Actually it it was three and a half minutes. Being down 13 points with 3:30 to go and winning an NBA game while shutting out the other team, with one player scoring 12 of those comeback points, is exceptionally rare.

To be fair, Westbrook is somewhat known for playing heroball.

Regardless, he stepped up big time last night.

[Shock Defeat]

Coming off of a back to back on the road. Hate all you'd like.

Rockets are 13-1 on back to backs with a chance at matching the record this season.

Either way I wasn't hating; just having some fun in this thread.

The Rockets are a better team but Westbrook is the better player. 14-0 run and Westbrook had 12 of them, along with the clutch inbound turnover and game winner. Let's not forget that he basically single handedly willed the Thunder back into the Rockets game and cut it to 8. Show some respect. Coming back from 13 with 4 minutes left is incredible.

The Rockets switched off in the 4th quarter and allowed the Thunder back in. He didn't will his team to anything, it was a fake comeback.

[RightToCensor]

The Wizards are 2 games back from Cleveland in the East standings. i wouldn't count out John Wall in earning my 4th place vote over Lebron if he can secure a higher seed than the Cavs whether it'd be the 1st or 2nd seed.

[Thundershock88]

The Rockets are a better team but Westbrook is the better player. 14-0 run and Westbrook had 12 of them, along with the clutch inbound turnover and game winner. Let's not forget that he basically single handedly willed the Thunder back into the Rockets game and cut it to 8. Show some respect. Coming back from 13 with 4 minutes left is incredible.

Westbrook being the better player is completely subjective. Harden has his own share of games where he willed his team to a win. He averaged 33 points and 13.3 assists over the past week including a game winner followed by a defensive stop.

Also four minutes is still plenty of time for a 13 point deficit so saying it's incredible is hyperbole. Nevertheless great game for Brodie.

Actually it it was three and a half minutes. Being down 13 points with 3:30 to go and winning an NBA game while shutting out the other team, with one player scoring 12 of those comeback points, is exceptionally rare.

.001 rare, to be exact.

"Entering Monday, teams were 11-10,920 (.001 win pct) when trailing by 13+ points with under 4 minutes to play in the last 20 seasons. With the Kings making such a comeback against the Clippers Sunday, and the Thunder making one on Monday against the Mavericks, it's the 1st time teams have made these comebacks on back-to-back nights over the last 20 seasons."

[Woodsanity]

Just face it, you don't like Westbrooks attitude. You like your black people docile. The dude has been averaging almost 8 rebounds a game the past two seasons so get the rebound **** out of here. Magic Johnson averaged less and he is considered one of the best rebounding point guards ever.

Lets leave racism out of it.

Cause race and attitude have nothing to do with the fact Kobe and Iverson only have a combined 2 MVP's.

Iverson didn't even deserve his one MVP. There were much better candidates like Shaq.

You can argue that CP3 deserved Kobe's sole MVP more than Kobe. Its a much bigger travesty that Shaq only had 1 MVP he was far more dominant than either player.

No clue what race has to do with anything in a league where most MVP winners are black, and the majority of players are black and where players with similar personalities to Kobe like MJ won many MVPs while players with opposite personalities like Shaq won only one. Take your weird agendas elsewhere.

[TheKingOfVa360]

The Wizards are 2 games back from Cleveland in the East standings. i wouldn't count out John Wall in earning my 4th place vote over Lebron if he can secure a higher seed than the Cavs whether it'd be the 1st or 2nd seed.

If the Wizards finish ahead of the Cavs, John Wall would have earned that 4th place vote.

[K_chile22]

After thinking about it a lot, Im moving Westbrook back into the top 2 over Kawhi. Playing all 82 matters.

[ken6199]

^ Cant' disagree with that.

To me, WB always in front of Kawhi throughout the season. After each of Kawhi's low key surge, WB responded. If you call Kawhi being consistently consistent, then WB has been consistently amazing us.

The only moment I hesitated on it was Kawhi's game winning basket followed by a chase down block on Harden 3 weeks ago, or I call it a 'caught in the moment' moment. The momentary poll spike on Kawhi also echoed that.

Still plenty of time left for WB to mount a serious challenge. If Harden pulls two sewage games vs GSW this week and OKC surge on to grab the #5 seed with multiple 'Mavs' moments from WB, things can get very tricky for the voters.

[K_chile22]

^ Cant' disagree with that.

To me, WB always in front of Kawhi throughout the season. After each of Kawhi's low key surge, WB responded. If you call Kawhi being consistently consistent, then WB has been consistently amazing us.

The only moment I hesitated on it was Kawhi's game winning basket followed by a chase down block on Harden 3 weeks ago, or I call it a 'caught in the moment' moment. The momentary poll spike on Kawhi also echoed that.

Still plenty of time left for WB to mount a serious challenge. If Harden pulls two sewage games vs GSW this week and OKC surge on to grab the #5 seed with multiple 'Mavs' moments from WB, things can get very tricky for the voters.

Yup. I feel like if Harden has a big game and wins tonight he may just have it locked

[sophie23]

^ Cant' disagree with that.

To me, WB always in front of Kawhi throughout the season. After each of Kawhi's low key surge, WB responded. If you call Kawhi being consistently consistent, then WB has been consistently amazing us.

The only moment I hesitated on it was Kawhi's game winning basket followed by a chase down block on Harden 3 weeks ago, or I call it a 'caught in the moment' moment. The momentary poll spike on Kawhi also echoed that.

Still plenty of time left for WB to mount a serious challenge. If Harden pulls two sewage games vs GSW this week and OKC surge on to grab the #5 seed with multiple 'Mavs' moments from WB, things can get very tricky for the voters.

Yup. I feel like if Harden has a big game and wins tonight he may just have it locked

He can also help Kawhi. Sas is closer to 1st seed. If they take over gsw. It would be an interesting voting.

Voters may have a big problem deciding between Rw and Jh. It is safer to vote for 1st seed best player.

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[Z Cabarkapa]

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Nice graphic for Kawhi. Interesting to see top 4 WS/48 MVPs listed here are:

1) 2012-13 Lebron .322 2) 1990-91 Jordan 0.321 3) 2015-16 Curry 4) 2008-09 Lebron 0.318

For all the disparagement both Curry and Lebron often get on this board they both sandwich MJ as the very top seasons by this metric. Of course, back in 1990 I remember people verbally trashing on MJ (no internet!!!) saying he was just a selfish ball hog that would never be able to help a team win a title like Magic and Larry.

More people should learn to appreciate the greatness when they see it instead of trying to tear all of our MVP candidates down simply because they play for another team. Every player has some warts in their game, but we are currently watching some all time greats play right now and are treated to outstanding performances on a nightly basis. Don't be a hater!!!

[bwgood77]

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Nice graphic for Kawhi. Interesting to see top 4 WS/48 MVPs listed here are:

1) 2012-13 Lebron .322 2) 1990-91 Jordan 0.321 3) 2015-16 Curry 4) 2008-09 Lebron 0.318

For all the disparagement both Curry and Lebron often get on this board they both sandwich MJ as the very top seasons by this metric. Of course, back in 1990 I remember people verbally trashing on MJ (no internet!!!) saying he was just a selfish ball hog that would never be able to help a team win a title like Magic and Larry.

More people should learn to appreciate the greatness when they see it instead of trying to tear all of our MVP candidates down simply because they play for another team. Every player has some warts in their game, but we are currently watching some all time greats play right now and are treated to outstanding performances on a nightly basis. Don't be a hater!!!

Yes, I remember the Jordan talk too...only cares about scoring....can't win a championship playing that way...much the same you hear about various players from people today. I was pretty young at the time, but I remember just being excited to watch him because he could dunk and score before he started winning championships.

[Z Cabarkapa]

Coming off of a back to back on the road. Hate all you'd like.

Rockets are 13-1 on back to backs with a chance at matching the record this season.

Either way I wasn't hating; just having some fun in this thread.

The Rockets are a better team but Westbrook is the better player. 14-0 run and Westbrook had 12 of them, along with the clutch inbound turnover and game winner. Let's not forget that he basically single handedly willed the Thunder back into the Rockets game and cut it to 8. Show some respect. Coming back from 13 with 4 minutes left is incredible.

Don't rewrite history on this one - The OKC comeback was powered by Russ scoring on one end AND his teammates playing D on the other (while Russ rested on the weak side on 4 straight possessions). Without Andre Roberson "single handedly" willing the Thunder to a victory with his terrific defense, OKC does not get this win. Yes, WB did force a TO at the end, but giving him all the credit for this win is ludicrous. He deserves credit for one side of the ball but his teammates get props for carrying him on the other.

Sick of people trashing on Westbrook's supporting cast - without Roberson's (& Adams) defense this team would be in the lottery. Every team in the NBA needs players like that to win - Lebron would swap JR or any of the other non-defenders on CLE for Roberson in an instant! Defense matters!

[HotRocks34]

Tough night for Harden but he would still appear to be in the driver's seat in the race.

This contest could be shaping up like the 1989 MVP race. Magic won the award with a better team record, although Jordan had the better individual season. The Lakers won 10 more games that year than the Bulls did, and the vote total was 664-598 for Magic.

[Shock Defeat]

Great night for Harden. It doesn't matter if you win or lose, he got the triple double.

[laika]

Great night for Harden. It doesn't matter if you win or lose, he got the triple double.

5 for 20 with 6 turnovers is a great night. Apparently "narratives" reign supreme this year.

Meanwhile, being the best player on the best team and also the most important player for any team isn't enough to even get any consideration at all for MVP.

[K_chile22]

Great night for Harden. It doesn't matter if you win or lose, he got the triple double.

5 for 20 with 6 turnovers is a great night. Apparently "narratives" reign supreme this year.

Meanwhile, being the best player on the best team and also the most important player for any team isn't enough to even get any consideration at all for MVP.

Pretty sure that was a joke based on this kind of reaction:

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[mvpshaq32]

Warriors' MVP ethering tour continues. Next up Kawhi

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