2014-2015 NBA MVP Discussion

[olive_triangurl]

I think Davis should get the award if he can somehow manage to put the Pelicans in the playoffs

Teams all over the place have made the playoffs without any superstar, forever.....so is it really an MVP-like achievement for a superstar to lead a team to the playoffs?

Jordan wasn't even given MVP in these years-
1986-87: 37.1ppg 5.2rpg 4.6apg 2.9spg 1.5bpg
1988-89: 32.5ppg 8.0apg 8.0rpg 2.9spg .538fg
1989-90: 33.6ppg 6.9rpg 6.3apg 2.8spg .526fg .376treys

[Hero]

I think Davis should get the award if he can somehow manage to put the Pelicans in the playoffs

Him not having too many nationally televised games hurts his case. Will fly under the radar to many.

[olive_triangurl]

If Davis won MVP it would be a slap in the face to all those superstars who merely made the playoffs in the past.
The NBA would never sink that low.
It wouldn't matter if he played for Chicago or New York or LA, he'd never win it with such a mediocre win/loss record (3 games above .500).

[Zack M]

Lordbrook should be awarded MVP....26/6/8/2.5 on a 28.81 PER.

how many PG"s can post these monster numbers?

[Bondman]

For most seasons, a chart like this wouldn't have great explanatory power to describe MVPs because those MVPs have good teammates & they win a lot.

However, there's always the exceptions: 01 Iverson, 88 Jordan, 82 & 79 Moses. These MVPs didn't have much help (yes, I know Murphy was an allstar in 79, but his advanced stats weren't so great), yet their teams managed to win at least 55% of the time.

Now that Howard may be out for another month or more, Harden's case is getting stronger, especially if Houston continues to win. None of the above MVPs had teammates compile WS above 6.9, and this may be the case for Harden. Based on current stats/standings/etc, my back-of-the-envelope estimate is that Houston needs to win 56 games for Harden to take about 58% of 1st-place votes & become MVP.

But but but Curry! Probably won't matter if the above situation occurs. Note that Bird had a great season in 88 and the Celts had the #1 seed. In 82, Bird was pretty good and the Celts had the best record in the league. In both years, Bird still came in 2nd for MVP voting.

NOP will probably not get enough wins for Davis to win MVP.

LeBron has a lot of ground to cover, both in terms of wins & stats.

Still 30 or so games to play, so no guarantees.

[olive_triangurl]

Also because the commissioner has gone on record in talking about how inferior the East is (inferior enough to push for a change in playoff qualification), this should ensure that the MVP goes to the West for the next few years.

In the past it was just a fan perception, but now its a commissioner perception, and that holds a lot more weight in the eyes if impressionable mvp voters.

This is a good thing in my opinion, because I've always thought it was too easy to carry a team in the East.
If you want to be an all-time great, come play in the West and prove it.

[LeChosen One]

Also because the commissioner has gone on record in talking about how inferior the East is (inferior enough to push for a change in playoff qualification), this should ensure that the MVP goes to the West for the next few years.

In the past it was just a fan perception, but now its a commissioner perception, and that holds a lot more weight in the eyes if impressionable mvp voters.

This is a good thing in my opinion, because I've always thought it was too easy to carry a team in the East.
If you want to be an all-time great, come play in the West and prove it.

Yeah lets punish players in the East for something they can't control

[olive_triangurl]

Also because the commissioner has gone on record in talking about how inferior the East is (inferior enough to push for a change in playoff qualification), this should ensure that the MVP goes to the West for the next few years.

In the past it was just a fan perception, but now its a commissioner perception, and that holds a lot more weight in the eyes if impressionable mvp voters.

This is a good thing in my opinion, because I've always thought it was too easy to carry a team in the East.
If you want to be an all-time great, come play in the West and prove it.

Yeah lets punish players in the East for something they can't control

99% of players don't contend for MVP, so it has no impact on them.
The players who contend for MVP can play in the West if they want to.
Or they can stay in the East and suffer from the perception of Eastern inferiority.
Players move around a lot these days, so its no big deal.
And the stars who stay in the West deserve credit for toughing it out (challenging for a championship the hard way - for example Durant, Westbrook and Griffin, Paul etc.).

[LeChosen One]

Also because the commissioner has gone on record in talking about how inferior the East is (inferior enough to push for a change in playoff qualification), this should ensure that the MVP goes to the West for the next few years.

In the past it was just a fan perception, but now its a commissioner perception, and that holds a lot more weight in the eyes if impressionable mvp voters.

This is a good thing in my opinion, because I've always thought it was too easy to carry a team in the East.
If you want to be an all-time great, come play in the West and prove it.

Yeah lets punish players in the East for something they can't control

99% of players don't contend for MVP, so it has no impact on them.
The players who contend for MVP can play in the West if they want to.
Or they can stay in the East and suffer from the perception of Eastern inferiority.
Players move around a lot these days, so its no big deal.
And the stars who stay in the West deserve credit for toughing it out (challenging for a championship the hard way - for example Durant, Westbrook and Griffin, Paul etc.).

Lol, so all the East's best players should move out West and create a bigger gap? C'mon bruh.. Most of the big players in the West are there because they're on their second contract which not a lot of people turn down, or they were in already good situations and didn't have to move.. Not because they want to toughen it out and take the hard route

Anyways it's just a cycle, there will be a time where the East is the stronger conference..

[olive_triangurl]

^ I can't read the minds of the Eastern stars, so I have no idea if they care about winning the MVP or not.
I doubt most of them would value it, so I doubt most of them would move to the West.
They'd probably rather avoid playing the Spurs a bunch of times each year.

Plus even if you want to win the MVP its a double-edged sword - if you move out to the West you get more MVP-contender credibility, but you also have to contend with Harden, Curry and Durant and those 3 are the most likely MVP winners of the next 3 years.

Yes the conference superiority is a cycle, but that hasn't stopped the commissioner from campaigning for seedings change.

[WhatsMyName]

Also because the commissioner has gone on record in talking about how inferior the East is (inferior enough to push for a change in playoff qualification), this should ensure that the MVP goes to the West for the next few years.

In the past it was just a fan perception, but now its a commissioner perception, and that holds a lot more weight in the eyes if impressionable mvp voters.

This is a good thing in my opinion, because I've always thought it was too easy to carry a team in the East.
If you want to be an all-time great, come play in the West and prove it.

Yeah lets punish players in the East for something they can't control

99% of players don't contend for MVP, so it has no impact on them.
The players who contend for MVP can play in the West if they want to.
Or they can stay in the East and suffer from the perception of Eastern inferiority.
Players move around a lot these days, so its no big deal.
And the stars who stay in the West deserve credit for toughing it out (challenging for a championship the hard way - for example Durant, Westbrook and Griffin, Paul etc.).

With the current CBA an MVP type player normally stays 9 years with the teams that drafted them (4 year rookie, 5 year max), so that would exclude any player in the east in his first 9 seasons. As an MVP type player to not sign that 5 year deal would be horrendously bad.

Since 2000 players in their first 9 seasons have won 12 MPVs, only 3 times players in their 10+ season won the trophy (Nash 06, Kobe 08, Lebron 13).

It's pretty clear suggesting players should just move West to win the MVP, when the earliest they can realistically move freely is at an age where players don't usually win MPVs anymore (80% are won before they can move), is not a wise decision.

[The411]

Neck and neck between Curry and the Hawks starting five

[Dubeta]

Goldenstate starting 5 vs Atlantas.... This is tough.

[Greatness]

Harden

[TwoStarz]

Harden might be the best player in the league this year, dude has been sensational and carrying a not very good team

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[Chriscross]

James Harden is my MVP right now. Hands down.

I thought Houston would miss the playoffs this season and that's with Howard playing and Terrence Jones. I still can't believe that team in a 3rd seed position

[aboogie]

James harden mvp


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[inquisitive]

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[LBJKBD12]

Harden is unreal, people need give him props, even last year you had people saying Wade was best SG as he is more efficient. Harden is a superstar SG now so i do not want to hear he is ahead by default anymore.

[LBJKBD12]

20 points in 4Q, just sick.