RGM GOAT Debate Thread

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Who Is officially the all time goat!? Only have 10 slots Poll. 2024/5 season

Jordan
369
63%
Lebron
123
21%
B. Russell
21
4%
Kobe
10
2%
Kareem
16
3%
Magic
3
1%
Jokic
13
2%
Curry
9
2%
Duncan
8
1%
Other Insert comment goat debate
14
2%
 
Total votes: 586

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Re: Official RGM GOAT Debate Thread 

Post#1661 » by ScrantonBulls » Wed Dec 18, 2024 3:27 am

Rust_Cohle wrote:Playoffs:

MJ:

33.4/6.4/5.7/2.1/0.9 on 48.7/33.2/82.8
28.6 PER, 39.8 WS, .255 WS/48, 11.1 BPM, 24.7 VORP

Lebron:

28.4/9/7.2/1.7/1 on 49.7/33.2/74.1 Shooting

27.9, 58.7, .237 WS/48, 10 BPM, 36.1 VORP

Peak 7 age 23-29:

MJ:

34.6/6.7/6.6/2.3/1.0 on 50.2/35.7/83.3

29.8 PER, 23.9 WS, .264 WS/48, 12.2 BPM, 15.6 VORP

Lebron:

28.1/8.5/6.3/1.8/1 on 49.4/34/75.6 Shooting

28.8 PER, 28.4 WS, .261 WS/48, 10.7 BPM, 16.7 VORP

League leads in advanced stats/7:

MJ:

PER - 5/7

WS - 4/7

WS/48 - 4/7

BPM - 5/7

VORP - 5/7

Lebron:

PER - 3/7

WS - 3/7

WS/48 - 3/7

BPM - 4/7

VORP - 4/7

Total league leads:

MJ: - 23/35

Lebron: - 17/35

League leads whole career:

MJ:

PER - 6/13; 47%

WS - 7/13, 54%

WS/48 - 5/13, 38%

BPM - 9/13, 69%

VORP - 8/13, 61%

Lebron:

PER - 5/17, 29%

WS - 9/17, 53%

WS/48 - 4/17, 24%

BPM - 5/17, 29%

VORP - 9/17, 53%

Total league leads:

MJ: 35

Lebron: 32

MJ has 3 more League leads in 4 less playoff runs!

League leads in traditional stats per game:

MJ:

points: 11/13

rebounds: 0/13

Assists: 0/13

steals: 2/13

Blocks: 0/13

Lebron:

Points: 3/17

rebounds: 0/17

assists: 1/17

Steals: 1/17

Blocks: 0/17

Total League leads:

MJ: 13

Lebron: 5

lol at "Total League Leads". Iverson: 3-time steal leader and 4-time PPG leader. Iverson Total League Leads: 4. GOAT candidate! Lmao.

Jordan-stans, when will they learn?
bledredwine wrote:There were 3 times Jordan won and was considered the underdog

1989 Eastern Conference Finals against the Detroit Pistons, the 1991 NBA Finals against the Magic Johnson-led Los Angeles Lakers, and the 1995 Eastern Conference Finals against the NY Knicks
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Re: Official RGM GOAT Debate Thread 

Post#1662 » by Rust_Cohle » Wed Dec 18, 2024 3:33 am

ScrantonBulls wrote:
Rust_Cohle wrote:Playoffs:

MJ:

33.4/6.4/5.7/2.1/0.9 on 48.7/33.2/82.8
28.6 PER, 39.8 WS, .255 WS/48, 11.1 BPM, 24.7 VORP

Lebron:

28.4/9/7.2/1.7/1 on 49.7/33.2/74.1 Shooting

27.9, 58.7, .237 WS/48, 10 BPM, 36.1 VORP

Peak 7 age 23-29:

MJ:

34.6/6.7/6.6/2.3/1.0 on 50.2/35.7/83.3

29.8 PER, 23.9 WS, .264 WS/48, 12.2 BPM, 15.6 VORP

Lebron:

28.1/8.5/6.3/1.8/1 on 49.4/34/75.6 Shooting

28.8 PER, 28.4 WS, .261 WS/48, 10.7 BPM, 16.7 VORP

League leads in advanced stats/7:

MJ:

PER - 5/7

WS - 4/7

WS/48 - 4/7

BPM - 5/7

VORP - 5/7

Lebron:

PER - 3/7

WS - 3/7

WS/48 - 3/7

BPM - 4/7

VORP - 4/7

Total league leads:

MJ: - 23/35

Lebron: - 17/35

League leads whole career:

MJ:

PER - 6/13; 47%

WS - 7/13, 54%

WS/48 - 5/13, 38%

BPM - 9/13, 69%

VORP - 8/13, 61%

Lebron:

PER - 5/17, 29%

WS - 9/17, 53%

WS/48 - 4/17, 24%

BPM - 5/17, 29%

VORP - 9/17, 53%

Total league leads:

MJ: 35

Lebron: 32

MJ has 3 more League leads in 4 less playoff runs!

League leads in traditional stats per game:

MJ:

points: 11/13

rebounds: 0/13

Assists: 0/13

steals: 2/13

Blocks: 0/13

Lebron:

Points: 3/17

rebounds: 0/17

assists: 1/17

Steals: 1/17

Blocks: 0/17

Total League leads:

MJ: 13

Lebron: 5

lol at "Total League Leads". Iverson: 3-time steal leader and 4-time PPG leader. Iverson Total League Leads: 4. GOAT candidate! Lmao.

Jordan-stans, when will they learn?


13-5 is incredibly lopsided.
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Re: Official RGM GOAT Debate Thread 

Post#1663 » by ScrantonBulls » Wed Dec 18, 2024 4:09 am

Rust_Cohle wrote:
ScrantonBulls wrote:
Rust_Cohle wrote:Playoffs:

MJ:

33.4/6.4/5.7/2.1/0.9 on 48.7/33.2/82.8
28.6 PER, 39.8 WS, .255 WS/48, 11.1 BPM, 24.7 VORP

Lebron:

28.4/9/7.2/1.7/1 on 49.7/33.2/74.1 Shooting

27.9, 58.7, .237 WS/48, 10 BPM, 36.1 VORP

Peak 7 age 23-29:

MJ:

34.6/6.7/6.6/2.3/1.0 on 50.2/35.7/83.3

29.8 PER, 23.9 WS, .264 WS/48, 12.2 BPM, 15.6 VORP

Lebron:

28.1/8.5/6.3/1.8/1 on 49.4/34/75.6 Shooting

28.8 PER, 28.4 WS, .261 WS/48, 10.7 BPM, 16.7 VORP

League leads in advanced stats/7:

MJ:

PER - 5/7

WS - 4/7

WS/48 - 4/7

BPM - 5/7

VORP - 5/7

Lebron:

PER - 3/7

WS - 3/7

WS/48 - 3/7

BPM - 4/7

VORP - 4/7

Total league leads:

MJ: - 23/35

Lebron: - 17/35

League leads whole career:

MJ:

PER - 6/13; 47%

WS - 7/13, 54%

WS/48 - 5/13, 38%

BPM - 9/13, 69%

VORP - 8/13, 61%

Lebron:

PER - 5/17, 29%

WS - 9/17, 53%

WS/48 - 4/17, 24%

BPM - 5/17, 29%

VORP - 9/17, 53%

Total league leads:

MJ: 35

Lebron: 32

MJ has 3 more League leads in 4 less playoff runs!

League leads in traditional stats per game:

MJ:

points: 11/13

rebounds: 0/13

Assists: 0/13

steals: 2/13

Blocks: 0/13

Lebron:

Points: 3/17

rebounds: 0/17

assists: 1/17

Steals: 1/17

Blocks: 0/17

Total League leads:

MJ: 13

Lebron: 5

lol at "Total League Leads". Iverson: 3-time steal leader and 4-time PPG leader. Iverson Total League Leads: 4. GOAT candidate! Lmao.

Jordan-stans, when will they learn?


13-5 is incredibly lopsided.

Allen Iverson Total League Leads: 7.

Lmao! You're really onto something with this big brained metric.
bledredwine wrote:There were 3 times Jordan won and was considered the underdog

1989 Eastern Conference Finals against the Detroit Pistons, the 1991 NBA Finals against the Magic Johnson-led Los Angeles Lakers, and the 1995 Eastern Conference Finals against the NY Knicks
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Re: Official RGM GOAT Debate Thread 

Post#1664 » by Iwasawitness » Wed Dec 18, 2024 4:33 am

Rust_Cohle wrote:
Statlanta wrote:I feel like measuring LeBron James impact on the game with Michael Jordan's scoring titles is like comparing Michael Jordan's to Bill Russell's rebounding titles.

Is it fair to judge a fish on it's capability to fly?


Lebron scores too, it’s not like we are comparing Jordan’s scoring titles to Dennis rodman’s scoring. It’s a very fair comparison and LeBron takes the most shots of every team he ever played on.


They both have very different playstyles.
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Re: Official RGM GOAT Debate Thread 

Post#1665 » by danfantastk32 » Wed Dec 18, 2024 6:47 am

bledredwine wrote:
Rust_Cohle wrote:Playoffs:

MJ:

33.4/6.4/5.7/2.1/0.9 on 48.7/33.2/82.8
28.6 PER, 39.8 WS, .255 WS/48, 11.1 BPM, 24.7 VORP

Lebron:

28.4/9/7.2/1.7/1 on 49.7/33.2/74.1 Shooting

27.9, 58.7, .237 WS/48, 10 BPM, 36.1 VORP

Peak 7 age 23-29:

MJ:

34.6/6.7/6.6/2.3/1.0 on 50.2/35.7/83.3

29.8 PER, 23.9 WS, .264 WS/48, 12.2 BPM, 15.6 VORP

Lebron:

28.1/8.5/6.3/1.8/1 on 49.4/34/75.6 Shooting

28.8 PER, 28.4 WS, .261 WS/48, 10.7 BPM, 16.7 VORP

League leads in advanced stats/7:

MJ:

PER - 5/7

WS - 4/7

WS/48 - 4/7

BPM - 5/7

VORP - 5/7

Lebron:

PER - 3/7

WS - 3/7

WS/48 - 3/7

BPM - 4/7

VORP - 4/7

Total league leads:

MJ: - 23/35

Lebron: - 17/35

League leads whole career:

MJ:

PER - 6/13; 47%

WS - 7/13, 54%

WS/48 - 5/13, 38%

BPM - 9/13, 69%

VORP - 8/13, 61%

Lebron:

PER - 5/17, 29%

WS - 9/17, 53%

WS/48 - 4/17, 24%

BPM - 5/17, 29%

VORP - 9/17, 53%

Total league leads:

MJ: 35

Lebron: 32

MJ has 3 more League leads in 4 less playoff runs!

League leads in traditional stats per game:

MJ:

points: 11/13

rebounds: 0/13

Assists: 0/13

steals: 2/13

Blocks: 0/13

Lebron:

Points: 3/17

rebounds: 0/17

assists: 1/17

Steals: 1/17

Blocks: 0/17

Total League leads:

MJ: 13

Lebron: 5


Jordan is 1st in NBA history in an overwhelming amount of advanced stats as well, both regular season and playoffs.

It's ridiculous.


Haha...wow. I hope you pulled this off some other website by another "Jordan is God" fan....otherwise, you need to go out and feel the warmth of sun, and the grass. That aside...what the hell lame garbage is this? So Jordan was first in more things than Lebron...so what? Was Jordan 2nd or 3rd, or even 4th in any of the other stats? The fact that Lebron has passed Jordan by a mile in total points (yep, those accumulative stats count too) and rebounds, and Assists...regular season, and playoffs, and finals, tells me that while he might not be 1st....he's higher ranked in an all around stat-sheet than Jordan. It's why he's 28 triple-doubles to Jordan's 2 in the playoffs. Such a "planet Nike" viewpoint....it's first, and then nobody, lol. I get that those stats you presented make sense to you. Luckily, there's such a thing as being 5th, and 27th and so on. And while on planet Nike, all your rebounds might not count, if they weren't 1st....but in the real world, they do.

Jordan's your boy. Got it. But quit trying to say it's not even close.
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Re: Official RGM GOAT Debate Thread 

Post#1666 » by bledredwine » Wed Dec 18, 2024 12:32 pm

danfantastk32 wrote:
bledredwine wrote:
Rust_Cohle wrote:Playoffs:

MJ:

33.4/6.4/5.7/2.1/0.9 on 48.7/33.2/82.8
28.6 PER, 39.8 WS, .255 WS/48, 11.1 BPM, 24.7 VORP

Lebron:

28.4/9/7.2/1.7/1 on 49.7/33.2/74.1 Shooting

27.9, 58.7, .237 WS/48, 10 BPM, 36.1 VORP

Peak 7 age 23-29:

MJ:

34.6/6.7/6.6/2.3/1.0 on 50.2/35.7/83.3

29.8 PER, 23.9 WS, .264 WS/48, 12.2 BPM, 15.6 VORP

Lebron:

28.1/8.5/6.3/1.8/1 on 49.4/34/75.6 Shooting

28.8 PER, 28.4 WS, .261 WS/48, 10.7 BPM, 16.7 VORP

League leads in advanced stats/7:

MJ:

PER - 5/7

WS - 4/7

WS/48 - 4/7

BPM - 5/7

VORP - 5/7

Lebron:

PER - 3/7

WS - 3/7

WS/48 - 3/7

BPM - 4/7

VORP - 4/7

Total league leads:

MJ: - 23/35

Lebron: - 17/35

League leads whole career:

MJ:

PER - 6/13; 47%

WS - 7/13, 54%

WS/48 - 5/13, 38%

BPM - 9/13, 69%

VORP - 8/13, 61%

Lebron:

PER - 5/17, 29%

WS - 9/17, 53%

WS/48 - 4/17, 24%

BPM - 5/17, 29%

VORP - 9/17, 53%

Total league leads:

MJ: 35

Lebron: 32

MJ has 3 more League leads in 4 less playoff runs!

League leads in traditional stats per game:

MJ:

points: 11/13

rebounds: 0/13

Assists: 0/13

steals: 2/13

Blocks: 0/13

Lebron:

Points: 3/17

rebounds: 0/17

assists: 1/17

Steals: 1/17

Blocks: 0/17

Total League leads:

MJ: 13

Lebron: 5


Jordan is 1st in NBA history in an overwhelming amount of advanced stats as well, both regular season and playoffs.

It's ridiculous.


Haha...wow. I hope you pulled this off some other website by another "Jordan is God" fan....otherwise, you need to go out and feel the warmth of sun, and the grass. That aside...what the hell lame garbage is this? So Jordan was first in more things than Lebron...so what? Was Jordan 2nd or 3rd, or even 4th in any of the other stats? The fact that Lebron has passed Jordan by a mile in total points (yep, those accumulative stats count too) and rebounds, and Assists...regular season, and playoffs, and finals, tells me that while he might not be 1st....he's higher ranked in an all around stat-sheet than Jordan. It's why he's 28 triple-doubles to Jordan's 2 in the playoffs. Such a "planet Nike" viewpoint....it's first, and then nobody, lol. I get that those stats you presented make sense to you. Luckily, there's such a thing as being 5th, and 27th and so on. And while on planet Nike, all your rebounds might not count, if they weren't 1st....but in the real world, they do.

Jordan's your boy. Got it. But quit trying to say it's not even close.


It’s not close.

Read the thread. Watch the video I posted which goes over those stats.

Jordan- first in PER, regular season and playoffs
VORP regular season and playoffs
even box score plus minus for both

There was another but I forgot which. All Jordan.

It’s not close. If there’s debate, it’s between Lebron and Kareem, and I’m taking Kareem all day. I don’t want a player who needs to collude to win championships. Lebron did this and is still an entire hall of fame career away from Jordan’s accomplishments. Think about that.

Did I mention that Jordan has twice as many trophies?

yeah… not close. All you can say for lebron is 1. longevity. and 2. assists rebounds even though lebron plays point forward so yeah, obviously.



Consider watching Jordan, because apparently you don’t know how dumb this comparison is.

Why is it that Jordan supporters are posting stats annd evidence whereas Lebron fans are posting words with no basketball analysis in them whatsoever? That should tell you what you need to know about Lebron’s case.

Take a look at the poll. It’ll be much worse fifteen years from now, just like it was with Kobe after he retired. And remember this, especially if you’re around then- I called it both times.

You should also take a look at my sig, because the difference in clutch shooting is absurd.

If I’m to be honest, it’s why I love posting in these types of threads. It’s like getting boardwalk and all of the blue cards in monopoly- so much ammunition that it’s easy. I’ll be back later with actual stats and websites backing them up. Too fun.
:o LeBron is 0-7 in game winning/tying FGs in the finals. And is 20/116 or 17% in game winning/tying FGs in the 4th/OT for his career. That's historically bad :o
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Re: Official RGM GOAT Debate Thread 

Post#1667 » by Rust_Cohle » Wed Dec 18, 2024 12:54 pm

danfantastk32 wrote:
bledredwine wrote:
Rust_Cohle wrote:Playoffs:

MJ:

33.4/6.4/5.7/2.1/0.9 on 48.7/33.2/82.8
28.6 PER, 39.8 WS, .255 WS/48, 11.1 BPM, 24.7 VORP

Lebron:

28.4/9/7.2/1.7/1 on 49.7/33.2/74.1 Shooting

27.9, 58.7, .237 WS/48, 10 BPM, 36.1 VORP

Peak 7 age 23-29:

MJ:

34.6/6.7/6.6/2.3/1.0 on 50.2/35.7/83.3

29.8 PER, 23.9 WS, .264 WS/48, 12.2 BPM, 15.6 VORP

Lebron:

28.1/8.5/6.3/1.8/1 on 49.4/34/75.6 Shooting

28.8 PER, 28.4 WS, .261 WS/48, 10.7 BPM, 16.7 VORP

League leads in advanced stats/7:

MJ:

PER - 5/7

WS - 4/7

WS/48 - 4/7

BPM - 5/7

VORP - 5/7

Lebron:

PER - 3/7

WS - 3/7

WS/48 - 3/7

BPM - 4/7

VORP - 4/7

Total league leads:

MJ: - 23/35

Lebron: - 17/35

League leads whole career:

MJ:

PER - 6/13; 47%

WS - 7/13, 54%

WS/48 - 5/13, 38%

BPM - 9/13, 69%

VORP - 8/13, 61%

Lebron:

PER - 5/17, 29%

WS - 9/17, 53%

WS/48 - 4/17, 24%

BPM - 5/17, 29%

VORP - 9/17, 53%

Total league leads:

MJ: 35

Lebron: 32

MJ has 3 more League leads in 4 less playoff runs!

League leads in traditional stats per game:

MJ:

points: 11/13

rebounds: 0/13

Assists: 0/13

steals: 2/13

Blocks: 0/13

Lebron:

Points: 3/17

rebounds: 0/17

assists: 1/17

Steals: 1/17

Blocks: 0/17

Total League leads:

MJ: 13

Lebron: 5


Jordan is 1st in NBA history in an overwhelming amount of advanced stats as well, both regular season and playoffs.

It's ridiculous.


Haha...wow. I hope you pulled this off some other website by another "Jordan is God" fan....otherwise, you need to go out and feel the warmth of sun, and the grass. That aside...what the hell lame garbage is this? So Jordan was first in more things than Lebron...so what? Was Jordan 2nd or 3rd, or even 4th in any of the other stats? The fact that Lebron has passed Jordan by a mile in total points (yep, those accumulative stats count too) and rebounds, and Assists...regular season, and playoffs, and finals, tells me that while he might not be 1st....he's higher ranked in an all around stat-sheet than Jordan. It's why he's 28 triple-doubles to Jordan's 2 in the playoffs. Such a "planet Nike" viewpoint....it's first, and then nobody, lol. I get that those stats you presented make sense to you. Luckily, there's such a thing as being 5th, and 27th and so on. And while on planet Nike, all your rebounds might not count, if they weren't 1st....but in the real world, they do.

Jordan's your boy. Got it. But quit trying to say it's not even close.


You really suffer from reading comprehension don’t you? I said in these metrics it isn’t even close. I have always said the gap between Jordan and LeBron is NOT that big. Get out of your mom’s basement and learn how to read. Just these metrics heavily favour Jordan that’s all. The fact that you wrote paragraph after paragraph being upset about some stats shows you’re the one who needs to crawl out from under that rock.


I take it you don’t take 6 titles in 8 years seriously either and the 2011 choke job doesn’t count either
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Re: Official RGM GOAT Debate Thread 

Post#1668 » by The4thHorseman » Wed Dec 18, 2024 3:23 pm

Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs until Scottie came along

Plus MJ's 6 titles in 8yrs would look a lot more impressive if he didn't need 2yrs off to rest.

The funniest thing is when the Jordan jockstraps try to say as fact that his Wizards years don't count.
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Re: Official RGM GOAT Debate Thread 

Post#1669 » by Rust_Cohle » Wed Dec 18, 2024 3:35 pm

The4thHorseman wrote:Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs until Scottie came along

Plus MJ's 6 titles in 8yrs would look a lot more impressive if he didn't need 2yrs off to rest.

The funniest thing is when the Jordan jockstraps try to say as fact that his Wizards years don't count.



And how was Scottie after MJ? How awful were those bulls teams Jordan had prior to Scottie? Hint: far worse than what LeBron had with his first cavs stint

And to come back with a three peat being out of the game for a few years is insane. Ridiculous to make it seem it was this huge advantage when getting back to that level takes a lot of time. His 6 titles in 8 years is more impressive than anything else anyone has done in the NBA in the last 40 years.


Only thing funnier is lebron jockstraps say having BOTH of the worst finals points differentials in nba history for a series doesn’t count
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Re: Official RGM GOAT Debate Thread 

Post#1670 » by ScrantonBulls » Wed Dec 18, 2024 4:19 pm

Rust_Cohle wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs until Scottie came along

Plus MJ's 6 titles in 8yrs would look a lot more impressive if he didn't need 2yrs off to rest.

The funniest thing is when the Jordan jockstraps try to say as fact that his Wizards years don't count.



And how was Scottie after MJ? How awful were those bulls teams Jordan had prior to Scottie? Hint: far worse than what LeBron had with his first cavs stint

And to come back with a three peat being out of the game for a few years is insane. Ridiculous to make it seem it was this huge advantage when getting back to that level takes a lot of time. His 6 titles in 8 years is more impressive than anything else anyone has done in the NBA in the last 40 years.


Only thing funnier is lebron jockstraps say having BOTH of the worst finals points differentials in nba history for a series doesn’t count

Why should anybody take you seriously when you're completely unable to use any basic context (such as the team he was on and the team he was facing) and when you can't understand that basketball is a team game? This is really basic stuff, but you can't grasp it. Unbelievable really.
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1989 Eastern Conference Finals against the Detroit Pistons, the 1991 NBA Finals against the Magic Johnson-led Los Angeles Lakers, and the 1995 Eastern Conference Finals against the NY Knicks
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Re: Official RGM GOAT Debate Thread 

Post#1671 » by Rust_Cohle » Wed Dec 18, 2024 4:40 pm

ScrantonBulls wrote:
Rust_Cohle wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs until Scottie came along

Plus MJ's 6 titles in 8yrs would look a lot more impressive if he didn't need 2yrs off to rest.

The funniest thing is when the Jordan jockstraps try to say as fact that his Wizards years don't count.



And how was Scottie after MJ? How awful were those bulls teams Jordan had prior to Scottie? Hint: far worse than what LeBron had with his first cavs stint

And to come back with a three peat being out of the game for a few years is insane. Ridiculous to make it seem it was this huge advantage when getting back to that level takes a lot of time. His 6 titles in 8 years is more impressive than anything else anyone has done in the NBA in the last 40 years.


Only thing funnier is lebron jockstraps say having BOTH of the worst finals points differentials in nba history for a series doesn’t count

Why should anybody take you seriously when you're completely unable to use any basic context (such as the team he was on and the team he was facing) and when you can't understand that basketball is a team game? This is really basic stuff, but you can't grasp it. Unbelievable really.


Are you willing to do the same for MJ being 1-9 without Pippen? It goes both ways. Unbelievable really Taj
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Post#1672 » by The4thHorseman » Wed Dec 18, 2024 4:42 pm

Rust_Cohle wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs until Scottie came along

Plus MJ's 6 titles in 8yrs would look a lot more impressive if he didn't need 2yrs off to rest.

The funniest thing is when the Jordan jockstraps try to say as fact that his Wizards years don't count.



And how was Scottie after MJ? How awful were those bulls teams Jordan had prior to Scottie? Hint: far worse than what LeBron had with his first cavs stint

And to come back with a three peat being out of the game for a few years is insane. Ridiculous to make it seem it was this huge advantage when getting back to that level takes a lot of time. His 6 titles in 8 years is more impressive than anything else anyone has done in the NBA in the last 40 years.


Only thing funnier is lebron jockstraps say having BOTH of the worst finals points differentials in nba history for a series doesn’t count

Why after? Is it beacuse Scottie led his team to 55 wins, Finished 3rd in MVP voting, was a questionable call away from the ECF all while using a 6th round pick journeyman who'd been out of the league for 2yrs who replaced MJ in the starting lineup.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/myerspe01.html

It was a huge advantage, especially when they acquired the reigning 4x rebound champ (who led the league all 3 years in Chicago) who provided exceptional defense. So exceptional that he received multiple fmvp votes in 96. He'll, Kemp received 3 votes in the losing effort

Like I said, not that impressive when you physically need time off in your prime.
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Post#1673 » by Rust_Cohle » Wed Dec 18, 2024 4:50 pm

The4thHorseman wrote:
Rust_Cohle wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs until Scottie came along

Plus MJ's 6 titles in 8yrs would look a lot more impressive if he didn't need 2yrs off to rest.

The funniest thing is when the Jordan jockstraps try to say as fact that his Wizards years don't count.



And how was Scottie after MJ? How awful were those bulls teams Jordan had prior to Scottie? Hint: far worse than what LeBron had with his first cavs stint

And to come back with a three peat being out of the game for a few years is insane. Ridiculous to make it seem it was this huge advantage when getting back to that level takes a lot of time. His 6 titles in 8 years is more impressive than anything else anyone has done in the NBA in the last 40 years.


Only thing funnier is lebron jockstraps say having BOTH of the worst finals points differentials in nba history for a series doesn’t count

Why after? Is it beacuse Scottie led his team to 55 wins, Finished 3rd in MVP voting, was a questionable call away from the ECF all while using a 6th round pick journeyman who'd been out of the league for 2yrs who replaced MJ in the starting lineup.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/myerspe01.html

It was a huge advantage, especially when they acquired the reigning 4x rebound champ (who led the league all 3 years in Chicago) who provided exceptional defense. So exceptional that he received multiple fmvp votes in 96. He'll, Kemp received 3 votes in the losing effort

Like I said, not that impressive when you physically need time off in your prime.


It’s insanely impressive, to win 75% as many titles as lebron has won in his entire career after taking 2 years to play another sport and still be the best is incredible. People forgot the doubts around Jordan when he first came back in 1995 and if he’d ever be the same.

Pippen was amazing, but throwing a hissy fit because he wasn’t allowed to take the final shot (which kukoc hit anyway) shows his poor leadership.

Switch Pippen with MJ in 1994 and the Bulls go to the finals. And by the way, without MJ in 1995 the Bulls were a painfully mediocre 34-31 and then 13-4 when he returned despite him not being the MJ people were accustomed to.

As for finals mvp votes how many did LeBron get in 2011? MJ would never
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Post#1674 » by SlimShady83 » Wed Dec 18, 2024 6:13 pm

Rust_Cohle wrote: It’s insanely impressive, to win 75% as many titles as lebron has won in his entire career after taking 2 years to play another sport and still be the best is incredible. People forgot the doubts around Jordan when he first came back in 1995 and if he’d ever be the same.


And they went 72-10 the year he came back, #winning.
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Post#1675 » by OriginalRed » Thu Dec 19, 2024 12:02 am

The4thHorseman wrote:Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs until Scottie came along

Plus MJ's 6 titles in 8yrs would look a lot more impressive if he didn't need 2yrs off to rest.

The funniest thing is when the Jordan jockstraps try to say as fact that his Wizards years don't count.


People really need to stop saying this as if Scottie arrived and was immediately HOF Scottie Pippen. He wasn't even a starter as a rookie and played 20 minutes a night lol. That'd be like saying Larry Hughes is the reason Lebron finally made the playoffs in 06 after they added him; it's just asinine.

The real reason Jordan and the Bulls finally got out of the first round is because they improved enough overall as a team to avoid playing the dominant teams in the first round. Go look up the stats for the Bulls vs Cavs series in 1988 and you tell me how a rookie Scottie Pippen was the difference-maker. Spoiler alert: He wasn’t. Jordan averaging 45/5/5 with 2 steals a game shooting 55% from the field is the reason they won that series.

2 year off of rest? My guy he was playing another professional sport lol. Coming back from that to win another 3 peat to win 6 championships in 8 years is insanely impressive no matter how you look at it.
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Post#1676 » by MavsDirk41 » Thu Dec 19, 2024 12:13 am

The4thHorseman wrote:
Rust_Cohle wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs until Scottie came along

Plus MJ's 6 titles in 8yrs would look a lot more impressive if he didn't need 2yrs off to rest.

The funniest thing is when the Jordan jockstraps try to say as fact that his Wizards years don't count.



And how was Scottie after MJ? How awful were those bulls teams Jordan had prior to Scottie? Hint: far worse than what LeBron had with his first cavs stint

And to come back with a three peat being out of the game for a few years is insane. Ridiculous to make it seem it was this huge advantage when getting back to that level takes a lot of time. His 6 titles in 8 years is more impressive than anything else anyone has done in the NBA in the last 40 years.


Only thing funnier is lebron jockstraps say having BOTH of the worst finals points differentials in nba history for a series doesn’t count

Why after? Is it beacuse Scottie led his team to 55 wins, Finished 3rd in MVP voting, was a questionable call away from the ECF all while using a 6th round pick journeyman who'd been out of the league for 2yrs who replaced MJ in the starting lineup.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/myerspe01.html

It was a huge advantage, especially when they acquired the reigning 4x rebound champ (who led the league all 3 years in Chicago) who provided exceptional defense. So exceptional that he received multiple fmvp votes in 96. He'll, Kemp received 3 votes in the losing effort

Like I said, not that impressive when you physically need time off in your prime.




Pippen led the Bulls to 55 wins and Wade won a championship for the Miami Heat (finals mvp) before James and Bosh joined him…..you forget that lol? Jordan ever have a teammate accomplish that?

Do me a favor and name me a time that Jordan wasnt the best player on his team in a finals series…

Do me another favor and name me a time that Jordan was outplayed by the other teams best player in a finals series…..

I can nitpick James just as much as you can nitpick Jordan
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Post#1677 » by ScrantonBulls » Thu Dec 19, 2024 12:56 am

MavsDirk41 wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:
Rust_Cohle wrote:

And how was Scottie after MJ? How awful were those bulls teams Jordan had prior to Scottie? Hint: far worse than what LeBron had with his first cavs stint

And to come back with a three peat being out of the game for a few years is insane. Ridiculous to make it seem it was this huge advantage when getting back to that level takes a lot of time. His 6 titles in 8 years is more impressive than anything else anyone has done in the NBA in the last 40 years.


Only thing funnier is lebron jockstraps say having BOTH of the worst finals points differentials in nba history for a series doesn’t count

Why after? Is it beacuse Scottie led his team to 55 wins, Finished 3rd in MVP voting, was a questionable call away from the ECF all while using a 6th round pick journeyman who'd been out of the league for 2yrs who replaced MJ in the starting lineup.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/myerspe01.html

It was a huge advantage, especially when they acquired the reigning 4x rebound champ (who led the league all 3 years in Chicago) who provided exceptional defense. So exceptional that he received multiple fmvp votes in 96. He'll, Kemp received 3 votes in the losing effort

Like I said, not that impressive when you physically need time off in your prime.




Pippen led the Bulls to 55 wins and Wade won a championship for the Miami Heat (finals mvp) before James and Bosh joined him…..you forget that lol? Jordan ever have a teammate accomplish that?

Do me a favor and name me a time that Jordan wasnt the best player on his team in a finals series…

Do me another favor and name me a time that Jordan was outplayed by the other teams best player in a finals series…..

I can nitpick James just as much as you can nitpick Jordan

The fact that you still seem to believe Wade during LeBron's tenure with the Heat is the same player as 2006 Wade is alarming. Did you ever watch Wade during those years? Have you ever attempted to look up his stats in 2006 vs 2009-2013? It's mind-blowing that you can't comprehend that he wasn't the same player by then, largely due to his knees.
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Post#1678 » by Rust_Cohle » Thu Dec 19, 2024 1:30 am

ScrantonBulls wrote:
MavsDirk41 wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:Why after? Is it beacuse Scottie led his team to 55 wins, Finished 3rd in MVP voting, was a questionable call away from the ECF all while using a 6th round pick journeyman who'd been out of the league for 2yrs who replaced MJ in the starting lineup.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/myerspe01.html

It was a huge advantage, especially when they acquired the reigning 4x rebound champ (who led the league all 3 years in Chicago) who provided exceptional defense. So exceptional that he received multiple fmvp votes in 96. He'll, Kemp received 3 votes in the losing effort

Like I said, not that impressive when you physically need time off in your prime.




Pippen led the Bulls to 55 wins and Wade won a championship for the Miami Heat (finals mvp) before James and Bosh joined him…..you forget that lol? Jordan ever have a teammate accomplish that?

Do me a favor and name me a time that Jordan wasnt the best player on his team in a finals series…

Do me another favor and name me a time that Jordan was outplayed by the other teams best player in a finals series…..

I can nitpick James just as much as you can nitpick Jordan

The fact that you still seem to believe Wade during LeBron's tenure with the Heat is the same player as 2006 Wade is alarming. Did you ever watch Wade during those years? Have you ever attempted to look up his stats in 2006 vs 2009-2013? It's mind-blowing that you can't comprehend that he wasn't the same player by then, largely due to his knees.


Oh dear

Dwyane Wade averaged 26.5 points, 7.0 rebounds and 5.2 assists in 6 games in the 2011 NBA Finals.


Those are numbers that are finals MVP worthy. He averaged in those finals 6 points less than Pippen ever had as a career high in a finals game (32).
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Post#1679 » by MavsDirk41 » Thu Dec 19, 2024 1:34 am

ScrantonBulls wrote:
MavsDirk41 wrote:
The4thHorseman wrote:Why after? Is it beacuse Scottie led his team to 55 wins, Finished 3rd in MVP voting, was a questionable call away from the ECF all while using a 6th round pick journeyman who'd been out of the league for 2yrs who replaced MJ in the starting lineup.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/myerspe01.html

It was a huge advantage, especially when they acquired the reigning 4x rebound champ (who led the league all 3 years in Chicago) who provided exceptional defense. So exceptional that he received multiple fmvp votes in 96. He'll, Kemp received 3 votes in the losing effort

Like I said, not that impressive when you physically need time off in your prime.




Pippen led the Bulls to 55 wins and Wade won a championship for the Miami Heat (finals mvp) before James and Bosh joined him…..you forget that lol? Jordan ever have a teammate accomplish that?

Do me a favor and name me a time that Jordan wasnt the best player on his team in a finals series…

Do me another favor and name me a time that Jordan was outplayed by the other teams best player in a finals series…..

I can nitpick James just as much as you can nitpick Jordan

The fact that you still seem to believe Wade during LeBron's tenure with the Heat is the same player as 2006 Wade is alarming. Did you ever watch Wade during those years? Have you ever attempted to look up his stats in 2006 vs 2009-2013? It's mind-blowing that you can't comprehend that he wasn't the same player by then, largely due to his knees.



Oh hey its Taj im shocked!!!

10/11 Wade 76 games 26/6/5
11 Wade finals 27/7/5
11/12 Wade 49 games 22/5/5
12/13 Wade 69 games 21/5/5

So he was all nba team 2 and awesome during the 2010/2011 season plus the finals…injured most of the 2011/2012 season (similar to Pippen in 1998?) and was pretty darn good during the 2012/2013 season so are you going to answer the questions i asked?

I know in your mind Jordan had stacked teams and didnt win anything without Pippen while poor ole James had to carry all his horrible teammates right? Same ole with you.
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