MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

[LikeABosh]

No, he sat out the majority of the year and they landed the #1 pick of the decade.

And he still played more games than LeBron. And they still finished with a worse record. Like I said, last season is irrelevant. It's just a bad argument for why AD would be better

Of course they benefit massively off each other. That is entirely the point.

No, that wasn't your point at all. If it was, then you wouldn't use that fact as a reason to credit one over the other. I think it's a wash mostly

I never made it as a point that AD was "better", don't be obtuse.

If you think it's a wash of them at this point, then why are you wasting our time. That is exactly what I said, and gave 'Bron the edge.

The bottom line is that neither are in the #1 MVP debate if we are being objective.

Ah, I see. I misread your post. My bad.

Think we're on the same page

[Dupp]

We saw Lebron with the Lakers last season without AD. Rest assure, they were not on pace for 60+ wins. Hell, even after his attempted Super-Saiyan "it's Playoff Mode!" time, they still fell flat on their face.

I don't recall the Pelicans being on pace for 60 wins either. They obviously both benefit from each other so last season is irrelevant. Not to mention, the supporting cast is much more complete than last year

I agree it's a 4/5 scenario with LeBron/AD tho. If Giannis, Doncic, and Harden didn't exist, I'd lean towards LeBron. The team depends on him much more. There's literally no one else except Rondo who could run the offense.

Context for last season matters anyway. Lebron is way healthier this season, the supporting cast outside of AD is probably comparable and the ten chemistry ranked after the failed ad trade attempt. Anyone Trying to paint a picture that the lakers just added AD isn’t being honest.

[Dupp]

Lmao did donic try recreate the wade lebron pic? That’s awesome. Goat confirmed

[Sulico]

Giannis is great and all, but sophomore leading the best offense in the history of NBA, leading lottery team to 3rd place and all that while posting 30 points triple double on elite efficiency is just best story since Curry 16 RS. And most fun to watch.
My vote is for Don Luka.

[clyde21]

No, he sat out the majority of the year and they landed the #1 pick of the decade.

And he still played more games than LeBron. And they still finished with a worse record. Like I said, last season is irrelevant. It's just a bad argument for why AD would be better

Of course they benefit massively off each other. That is entirely the point.

No, that wasn't your point at all. If it was, then you wouldn't use that fact as a reason to credit one over the other. I think it's a wash mostly

which is exactly why neither of them should be in the conversation at this point.

[mediocrityrules]

The top 4 just keep trying to outdo each other. This race is going to be amazing to watch


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[GSP]

Man if Zion doesnt pan out the league is going to be run by foreign/non Usa players for the foreseeable future

Giannis
Luka
Jokic
Embiid
Siakam
Gobert
Vucevic
Simmons
Sabonis
Porzingis
Ayton
Bojan/Bogdan Bogdanovic
Murray
Fvv
Nurkic
Capela
Barrett

the next gen Americans are

Davis
Towns
Booker
Morant
Brogdon
Adebayo
Trae
Jjj
Isaac
Dinwiddie
Jaylen
Tatum
Ingram
Dangelo
Fox?
Ball?

Yikes. Well we had a good run my fellow Americans. Rip

[LikeABosh]

No, he sat out the majority of the year and they landed the #1 pick of the decade.

And he still played more games than LeBron. And they still finished with a worse record. Like I said, last season is irrelevant. It's just a bad argument for why AD would be better

Of course they benefit massively off each other. That is entirely the point.

No, that wasn't your point at all. If it was, then you wouldn't use that fact as a reason to credit one over the other. I think it's a wash mostly

which is exactly why neither of them should be in the conversation at this point.

With Luka, Giannis, and Harden around, yepp.

[Dupp]

Luka is insane. Maybe he should win. How is he so good already

And he still played more games than LeBron. And they still finished with a worse record. Like I said, last season is irrelevant. It's just a bad argument for why AD would be better



No, that wasn't your point at all. If it was, then you wouldn't use that fact as a reason to credit one over the other. I think it's a wash mostly

which is exactly why neither of them should be in the conversation at this point.

With Luka, Giannis, and Harden around, yepp.

Actually think lebron would be ahead of harden in the voting. Just because of team record but we’ll see I guess.

[Hephaestus]

Let's not forget that RealGMers were putting Zion ahead of Luka on their lists vefore the season started. Lmao

[Vsauce12]

Giannis is great and all, but sophomore leading the best offense in the history of NBA, leading lottery team to 3rd place and all that while posting 30 points triple double on elite efficiency is just best story since Curry 16 RS. And most fun to watch.
My vote is for Don Luka.

Well good thing you don’t get an actual vote because Giannis is gonna win this in landslide with the way things are panning it out

[Hephaestus]

Anyone saying AD is the best player on the lakers are clearly trolling and probably dislikes LeBron.

This place is full of Raptors fans. They suffer from LeBron ptsd.

[clyde21]

Let's not forget that RealGMers were putting Zion ahead of Luka on their lists vefore the season started. Lmao

Luka is ridiculous but if you can guarantee me Zion health I'm still taking Zion

[Vsauce12]

Let's not forget that RealGMers were putting Zion ahead of Luka on their lists vefore the season started. Lmao

Luka is ridiculous but if you can guarantee me Zion health I'm still taking Zion

No such thing as health guarantees in sports

[Hephaestus]

Let's not forget that RealGMers were putting Zion ahead of Luka on their lists vefore the season started. Lmao

Luka is ridiculous but if you can guarantee me Zion health I'm still taking Zion

This is exactly what I was talking about.

[clyde21]

Let's not forget that RealGMers were putting Zion ahead of Luka on their lists vefore the season started. Lmao

Luka is ridiculous but if you can guarantee me Zion health I'm still taking Zion

This is exactly what I was talking about.

i wouldn't underestimate Zion

[HurdyGurdyMan]

I think he's not the one underestimating.

Doncic is putting up 30 10 and 10 playing winning basketball - this means you expect from a kid that has yet to play a single professional game in his life to be better than that?

[Hephaestus]

Luka is ridiculous but if you can guarantee me Zion health I'm still taking Zion

This is exactly what I was talking about.

i wouldn't underestimate Zion

You understand Zion will have to average numbers like Giannis' to be even put in the same sentence with Luka right?

[igorbianch]

Its crazy how Luka has the best driving game in the NBA already at age 20 with an unremarkable athleticism.

[igorbianch]

I think he's not the one underestimating.

Doncic is putting up 30 10 and 10 playing winning basketball - this means you expect from a kid that has yet to play a single professional game in his life to be better than that?

Having a dominant defense might give him the edge, even without the stats... But i dont think Zion has the size to be a defensive anchor like Giannis, so its hard to imagine him over Luka.