NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2)

[Exp0sed]

Jokic missing games might make this interesting. Embiid has missed 12, and will likely miss more. Jokic has missed 7 (3 due to Covid protocol, 4 due to load management). Giannis has missed 11. Tatum has only missed 3...

Agreed. if Jokic goes into double figures in games missed and Tatum continues playing, winning, and performing at an elite level… he deserves MVP

that depends

currently, Jokic has missed 7 total and Tatum has missed 3
despite that, Jokic has 31 wins and Tatum 33

2 more invdivual wins and a couple more team wins aren't gonna negate the gap between them when do they do play, or the differences in roster quality

at this point in time the gap is pretty big, however if Jokic were to miss additional considerable time and Tatum stays on the court there could def be a slight opening there

[BelgradeNugget]

"Nikola Jokic

Averages from worst games: 18.7 points, 9.6 rebounds, 9.4 assists, 60-37-79 shooting splits, 67 percent true shooting.

You read that statline right—Jokic is averaging a near-triple-double while shooting 60 percent in his worst games. “Bad” Jokic would still rank third in the NBA in assists per game and in the top 10 in true shooting percentage.

The main difference between Jokic performances is how much he shoots, not—as is the case with most other players—how well he shoots. In his best games, he takes advantage of about a dozen extra scoring opportunities, between extra field goals and free throws; otherwise, his numbers are almost the same."

Interesting article on best and worst games from MVP candidates. Embiid is pretty consistent too.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/1/26/23571918/nba-all-star-off-nights-nikola-jokic-luka-doncic

[Exp0sed]

"Nikola Jokic

Averages from worst games: 18.7 points, 9.6 rebounds, 9.4 assists, 60-37-79 shooting splits, 67 percent true shooting.

You read that statline right—Jokic is averaging a near-triple-double while shooting 60 percent in his worst games. “Bad” Jokic would still rank third in the NBA in assists per game and in the top 10 in true shooting percentage.

The main difference between Jokic performances is how much he shoots, not—as is the case with most other players—how well he shoots. In his best games, he takes advantage of about a dozen extra scoring opportunities, between extra field goals and free throws; otherwise, his numbers are almost the same."

Interesting article on best and worst games from MVP candidates. Embiid is pretty consistent too.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/1/26/23571918/nba-all-star-off-nights-nikola-jokic-luka-doncic

meanwhile, the best scorer ever shot 6-18 vs the Nets
while playing matador defense in the clutch

yay!

[CobraCommander]

"Nikola Jokic

Averages from worst games: 18.7 points, 9.6 rebounds, 9.4 assists, 60-37-79 shooting splits, 67 percent true shooting.

You read that statline right—Jokic is averaging a near-triple-double while shooting 60 percent in his worst games. “Bad” Jokic would still rank third in the NBA in assists per game and in the top 10 in true shooting percentage.

The main difference between Jokic performances is how much he shoots, not—as is the case with most other players—how well he shoots. In his best games, he takes advantage of about a dozen extra scoring opportunities, between extra field goals and free throws; otherwise, his numbers are almost the same."

Interesting article on best and worst games from MVP candidates. Embiid is pretty consistent too.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/1/26/23571918/nba-all-star-off-nights-nikola-jokic-luka-doncic

Jokic get some rings and wilt and MJ and Lebron and Bird gonna be nervous about who coming off Mount Rushmore lol

When your stats this crazy and you have rings to support it you start bothering the goat guys

[CharityStripe34]

Why is Jokic missing another game?

Tight left hamstring (injury management).

He was ducking the matchup

Kind of sucks that it was the back-end of a B2B 'cause I was greatly looking forward to Freak vs. Joker.

[liquidswords]

Why is Jokic missing another game?

Tight left hamstring (injury management).

He was ducking the matchup

Kind of sucks that it was the back-end of a B2B 'cause I was greatly looking forward to Freak vs. Joker.

Orrrrr making sure he's 100% for the real heavyweight tilt on Saturday: Embiid vs Joker

[CharityStripe34]

Tight left hamstring (injury management).

He was ducking the matchup

Kind of sucks that it was the back-end of a B2B 'cause I was greatly looking forward to Freak vs. Joker.

Orrrrr making sure he's 100% for the real heavyweight tilt on Saturday: Embiid vs Joker

I noticed the Nuggets/Sixers game is on primetime Saturday. Guaranteed the NBA told each team "no load-management for you."

Last night's game wasn't on national TV.

[jordanwilliams6]

Jokic is pretty clearly the MVP this season. The only thing that can stop him winning is missing games or some sort of ridiculous voter fatigue.

[bstein14]

Jokic is pretty clearly the MVP this season. The only thing that can stop him winning is missing games or some sort of ridiculous voter fatigue.

If the Bucks win the East with Middleton(their 2nd best player) missing most of the season I think Giannis would have a pretty strong claim again this year. If Dallas ends up a top 2 or 3 seed in the West, with his weak supporting cast, I think Luka would have a pretty strong claim this year... but they've been faltering a bit as of late.

But I agree with you, if Jokic leads "THAT TEAM" to the #1 seed in the West without another all-star player next to him while putting up those insane stats he's been putting up this year, he's got to be the favorite for sure and would win 100% for sure if he hadn't won the previous two. The thing is, voter fatigue is a real thing and most of the all-time greatest to ever play the game have never won 3 in a row. Bill Russell, Wilt, and Larry Bird are the only 3 guys to ever win it 3 years in a row.

[sam_I_am]

"Nikola Jokic

Averages from worst games: 18.7 points, 9.6 rebounds, 9.4 assists, 60-37-79 shooting splits, 67 percent true shooting.

You read that statline right—Jokic is averaging a near-triple-double while shooting 60 percent in his worst games. “Bad” Jokic would still rank third in the NBA in assists per game and in the top 10 in true shooting percentage.

The main difference between Jokic performances is how much he shoots, not—as is the case with most other players—how well he shoots. In his best games, he takes advantage of about a dozen extra scoring opportunities, between extra field goals and free throws; otherwise, his numbers are almost the same."

Interesting article on best and worst games from MVP candidates. Embiid is pretty consistent too.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/1/26/23571918/nba-all-star-off-nights-nikola-jokic-luka-doncic

Jokic get some rings and wilt and MJ and Lebron and Bird gonna be nervous about who coming off Mount Rushmore lol

When your stats this crazy and you have rings to support it you start bothering the goat guys

And there’s the rub. No rings and not even close to one after 8 years in NBA. But…..he’s only 27…..so he’s just entering his peak 3-4 years. BTW…..Bird, MJ and Lebron might get nervous…..but sadly Wilt cannot.

[ty 4191]

"Nikola Jokic

Averages from worst games: 18.7 points, 9.6 rebounds, 9.4 assists, 60-37-79 shooting splits, 67 percent true shooting.

You read that statline right—Jokic is averaging a near-triple-double while shooting 60 percent in his worst games. “Bad” Jokic would still rank third in the NBA in assists per game and in the top 10 in true shooting percentage.

The main difference between Jokic performances is how much he shoots, not—as is the case with most other players—how well he shoots. In his best games, he takes advantage of about a dozen extra scoring opportunities, between extra field goals and free throws; otherwise, his numbers are almost the same."

Interesting article on best and worst games from MVP candidates. Embiid is pretty consistent too.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/1/26/23571918/nba-all-star-off-nights-nikola-jokic-luka-doncic

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/1/26/23571918/nba-all-star-off-nights-nikola-jokic-luka-doncic

Averages from worst games: 18.7 points, 9.6 rebounds, 9.4 assists, 60-37-79 shooting splits, 67 percent true shooting.

You read that statline right—Jokic is averaging a near-triple-double while shooting 60 percent in his worst games. “Bad” Jokic would still rank third in the NBA in assists per game and in the top 10 in true shooting percentage.

The main difference between Jokic performances is how much he shoots, not—as is the case with most other players—how well he shoots. In his best games, he takes advantage of about a dozen extra scoring opportunities, between extra field goals and free throws; otherwise, his numbers are almost the same.

Let's put this in full perspective. Jokic in his WORST games this season is averaging 18.7/9.6/9.4 on .600 FG% and 67% TS%.

Here are the only players in NBA history to average 18.7/9.6/9.4 in NBA history, along with their FG% and TS%:

Nikola Jokic 2022-2023: 25.1/11.0/9.9 .629 FG% .699 TS%
Oscar Robertson 1962-1963: 28.3/10.4/9.5 .518 FG% .588 TS%
Oscar Robertson 1963-1964: 33.4/9.9/11.0 .483 FG% .576 TS%
Oscar Robertson 1961-1962: 30.8/12.5/11.4 .478 FG% .554 TS%
Oscar Robertson 1960-1961: 30.5/10.1/9.7 .473 FG% .555 TS%
Russell Westbrook 2017-2018: 25.4/10.1/10.3 .449 FG% .524 TS%
Russell Westbrook 2020-2021: 22.2/11.5/11.7 .439 FG% .509 TS%
Russell Westbrook 2018-2019: 22.9/11.1/10.7 .428 FG% .501 TS%
Russell Westbrook 2016-2017: 31.6/10.7/10.4 .425 FG% .554 TS%

The point?

We're witnessing the greatest offensive season in NBA history. I hope everyone is fully appreciating it for what it is, and I hope Jokic can stay healthy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Genjuro]

He was ducking the matchup

Kind of sucks that it was the back-end of a B2B 'cause I was greatly looking forward to Freak vs. Joker.

Orrrrr making sure he's 100% for the real heavyweight tilt on Saturday: Embiid vs Joker

I noticed the Nuggets/Sixers game is on primetime Saturday. Guaranteed the NBA told each team "no load-management for you."

Last night's game wasn't on national TV.

Both teams with two days of rest prior to the game. It seems by design.

[LessEyeTest]

Embiid isn't even an all-star starter and there are still people thinking he's in the MVP race?! LOL!

[playa-hater]

Dallas won Without Luka. Though Luka played 3 minutes, Technically Luka still played and will be credited with a win.. Dallas is still 0 and 5 without Luka lol.

Meanwhile all those bum role players were moving the ball and seemed so energized without him..

[CobraCommander]

Dallas won Without Luka. Though Luka played 3 minutes, Technically Luka still played and will be credited with a win.. Dallas is still 0 and 5 without Luka lol.

Meanwhile all those bum role players were moving the ball and seemed so energized without him..

The Mavs without Luka beat the suns without Booker.:: so Lukas supporting cast is better than bookers? Lol just great to see Spencer play well as a ex-wizard -

Odd thing is Spencer played like Luka today - Kidds game plan works perfectly if someone plays as well as Luka - kidds brilliant

[deneem4]

Brunson was playing like luka too and knicks beat the Celtics in overtime

[nikster]

Dallas won Without Luka. Though Luka played 3 minutes, Technically Luka still played and will be credited with a win.. Dallas is still 0 and 5 without Luka lol.

Meanwhile all those bum role players were moving the ball and seemed so energized without him..

The Mavs without Luka beat the suns without Booker.:: so Lukas supporting cast is better than bookers? Lol just great to see Spencer play well as a ex-wizard -

Odd thing is Spencer played like Luka today - Kidds game plan works perfectly if someone plays as well as Luka - kidds brilliant

Yeah it's funny calling this a great team performance after Luka went down when Dinwiddie scored or assisted on over half their points

[CobraCommander]

Dallas won Without Luka. Though Luka played 3 minutes, Technically Luka still played and will be credited with a win.. Dallas is still 0 and 5 without Luka lol.

Meanwhile all those bum role players were moving the ball and seemed so energized without him..

The Mavs without Luka beat the suns without Booker.:: so Lukas supporting cast is better than bookers? Lol just great to see Spencer play well as a ex-wizard -

Odd thing is Spencer played like Luka today - Kidds game plan works perfectly if someone plays as well as Luka - kidds brilliant

Yeah it's funny calling this a great team performance after Luka went down when Dinwiddie scored or assisted on over half their points

Exactly - Kidd gets no credit for a win where Kidd just said “Spencer wear that 77 jersey and get us this win!”

[antonac]

Dallas won Without Luka. Though Luka played 3 minutes, Technically Luka still played and will be credited with a win.. Dallas is still 0 and 5 without Luka lol.

Meanwhile all those bum role players were moving the ball and seemed so energized without him..

The Mavs without Luka beat the suns without Booker.:: so Lukas supporting cast is better than bookers? Lol just great to see Spencer play well as a ex-wizard -

Odd thing is Spencer played like Luka today - Kidds game plan works perfectly if someone plays as well as Luka - kidds brilliant

[Ballerhogger]

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?s=20&t=hFwPRNB-Kf5_NrtDPRLG_A not all star starter..... I dont like it for mvp chances..... Part of the award is popularity contest...