So how about Joel Embiid

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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1721 » by joyeuxnoel » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:04 am

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Small data sample but hes been a monster on defense all year. He still isnt a great offensive center yet though. I think he will be in his prime though

Regarding simmons I project simmons to cap out at 18-19 ppg in his prime unless he develops a respectable jumper

Sixers need that 3rd star if i were them id keep all the picks unless they can trade for a young all star/star
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1722 » by Zaschrona » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:04 am

If Embiid stays healthy... he may well become the best player in this league. He is an amazing talent to watch.
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1723 » by tsmith » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:05 am

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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1724 » by Lord_Zedd » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:06 am

joyeuxnoel wrote:assuming simmons lives up to his hype, do the sixers make the playoffs next year if they stay healthy?


Next year? you mean this year?
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1725 » by joyeuxnoel » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:07 am

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joyeuxnoel wrote:assuming simmons lives up to his hype, do the sixers make the playoffs next year if they stay healthy?


the sixers are a lock for the playoffs next year. they have an outside shot this year. they have had a top 5 defense since early december.


i agree i think the sixers lock the 7-8th seed next year

they have no chance this year period unless they remove restriction on embiid which aint happening
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1726 » by joyeuxnoel » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:08 am

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joyeuxnoel wrote:assuming simmons lives up to his hype, do the sixers make the playoffs next year if they stay healthy?


Next year? you mean this year?


no they will fizzle soon and embiid doesnt play back to backs
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1727 » by Crazomali » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:09 am

Lord_Zedd wrote:
joyeuxnoel wrote:assuming simmons lives up to his hype, do the sixers make the playoffs next year if they stay healthy?


Next year? you mean this year?

embiid could do it by himself tbh I hope they do since embiid could make the nba finals if he had some help
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1728 » by joyeuxnoel » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:10 am

Crazomali wrote:
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joyeuxnoel wrote:assuming simmons lives up to his hype, do the sixers make the playoffs next year if they stay healthy?


Next year? you mean this year?

embiid could do it by himself tbh I hope they do since embiid could make the nba finals if he had some help


theres no reason to rush the process when the cavs will rule the east for at least the next 3 years

edit: look how bad the pelicans **** up their team around AD

the sixers have the lakers pick and the kings swap but im still kinda mad we're winning too many games
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1729 » by Crazomali » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:15 am

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Crazomali wrote:
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Next year? you mean this year?

embiid could do it by himself tbh I hope they do since embiid could make the nba finals if he had some help


theres no reason to rush the process when the cavs will rule the east for at least the next 3 years

edit: look how bad the pelicans **** up their team around AD

the sixers have the lakers pick and the kings swap but im still kinda mad we're winning too many games

Dont you guys own the lakers pick? just outsource the tank and bring some playoff experience into the process
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1730 » by joyeuxnoel » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:18 am

Crazomali wrote:
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Crazomali wrote:embiid could do it by himself tbh I hope they do since embiid could make the nba finals if he had some help


theres no reason to rush the process when the cavs will rule the east for at least the next 3 years

edit: look how bad the pelicans **** up their team around AD

the sixers have the lakers pick and the kings swap but im still kinda mad we're winning too many games

Dont you guys own the lakers pick? just outsource the tank and bring some playoff experience into the process


yes we do. Cap space needs to be preserved however incase we lure some free agents in 2-3 years

im fine with signing guys like jrue to 3 year 75 million dollar deals for short term
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1731 » by eskimo » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:21 am

Crazomali wrote:
joyeuxnoel wrote:
Crazomali wrote:embiid could do it by himself tbh I hope they do since embiid could make the nba finals if he had some help


theres no reason to rush the process when the cavs will rule the east for at least the next 3 years

edit: look how bad the pelicans **** up their team around AD

the sixers have the lakers pick and the kings swap but im still kinda mad we're winning too many games

Dont you guys own the lakers pick? just outsource the tank and bring some playoff experience into the process


I think we'd make a trade for a true young #3 guy once we've gotten a chance to see Simmons and Embiid on the court together.

Of course, the underlying concern for now is that when we ramp up things with Embiid (probably next year) is that he gets another stress fracture somewhere which puts a limit on how much we can play him forever.

So for now most of us are still fine to be in young player mode rather than trade a bunch of future assets for a complementary piece who may not be enough if Embiid gets hurt again. It's a form of hedging our bets on how we build the team.

It's really a shame we lost Embiid's second year in the league. If he had just waited until we drafted him Hinkie would have helped him choose the right surgery off the bat and then we'd be much further along. Of course, we probably don't get Simmons under this scenario but we also probably get to keep Sam Hinkie which is an even trade to me.
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1732 » by joyeuxnoel » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:23 am

who's that young #3 piece? I dont see any that are obtainable

KAT and Giannis are untradable and dont fit our scheme anyways. We need a klay thompson like player
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1733 » by MotownMadness » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:26 am

joyeuxnoel wrote:who's that young #3 piece? I dont see any that are obtainable

KAT and Giannis are untradable and dont fit our scheme anyways. We need a klay thompson like player

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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1734 » by eskimo » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:27 am

joyeuxnoel wrote:who's that young #3 piece? I dont see any that are obtainable

KAT and Giannis are untradable and dont fit our scheme anyways. We need a klay thompson like player


Yes, the ideal #3 would be a guy like Klay or maybe a Klay-lite.

The closest thing in the draft might be Monk or Ball who are probably ideal fits with Embiid/Simmons. IDK if we get a shot at either of them in the draft but that'd be ideal.
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1735 » by OleSchool » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:27 am

joyeuxnoel wrote:
edit: look how bad the pelicans **** up their team around AD



The Pels messed up by going out signing FA's I cant see us doing that. Outside of maybe showing interest in Lowry
NYSixersFan wrote:quite simply, If I were GM, We would have a good young playoff team right now; with cap flexibility going forward


NYSixersFan wrote:I'D BE more then happy to debate you or anyone else on specifics


NYSixersFan wrote:How can I give you specifics? I'm not talking to other GM's
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1736 » by joyeuxnoel » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:31 am

eskimo wrote:
joyeuxnoel wrote:who's that young #3 piece? I dont see any that are obtainable

KAT and Giannis are untradable and dont fit our scheme anyways. We need a klay thompson like player


Yes, the ideal #3 would be a guy like Klay or maybe a Klay-lite.

The closest thing in the draft might be Monk or Ball who are probably ideal fits with Embiid/Simmons. IDK if we get a shot at either of them in the draft but that'd be ideal.


yes to monk, no to ball
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1737 » by eskimo » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:31 am

Since Dec 31:

Sixers with Embiid on the court:
Off rating: 110.5
Def rating: 89.2
Net rating: 21.3

Sixers without Embiid on the court:
Off rating: 97.1
Def rating: 114.2
Net rating: -17.1

So what difference does Embiid make:
Off rating: +13.4
Def rating: +25.0
Net rating: +38.4
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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1738 » by Crazomali » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:33 am

eskimo wrote:Since Dec 31:

Sixers with Embiid on the court:
Off rating: 110.5
Def rating: 89.2
Net rating: 21.3

Sixers without Embiid on the court:
Off rating: 97.1
Def rating: 114.2
Net rating: -17.1

So what difference does Embiid make:
Off rating: +13.4
Def rating: +25.0
Net rating: +38.4

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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

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Re: So how about Joel Embiid 

Post#1740 » by Marcus » Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:37 am

eskimo wrote:
joyeuxnoel wrote:who's that young #3 piece? I dont see any that are obtainable

KAT and Giannis are untradable and dont fit our scheme anyways. We need a klay thompson like player


Yes, the ideal #3 would be a guy like Klay or maybe a Klay-lite.

The closest thing in the draft might be Monk or Ball who are probably ideal fits with Embiid/Simmons. IDK if we get a shot at either of them in the draft but that'd be ideal.


Closest thing to a 6'7" catch and shoot knockdown guy with defensive potential is Terrance Ferguson and he should be well within range even with the current rate of winning.
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