NBA MVP Discussion Thread 2022-23 (pt 2)

rocketsfan100 · Post #1721 » by **rocketsfan100** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:37 am

Mickey8 wrote:They have solid depth.

You got Tobias, and Melton as auxiliary pieces. For me Maxey is pretty much now a third star in my book.

eyeatoma · Post #1722 » by **eyeatoma** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 4:11 am

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moderndarwin · Post #1723 » by **moderndarwin** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 6:47 am

Steph and Dubs about to go on a tear. Might be time for the trophy to make it back to the actual most valuable player in the league not these second rate ringless wannabes

Cubbies2120 · Post #1724 » by **Cubbies2120** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 6:57 am

moderndarwin wrote:Steph and Dubs about to go on a tear. Might be time for the trophy to make it back to the actual most valuable player in the league not these second rate ringless wannabes

Until Klay goes out and they miss the playoffs like the last time Klay sat and Curry played the season...

Maybe he'll have a season long hand injury again

ty 4191 · Post #1725 » by **ty 4191** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:28 pm

The Comedian wrote:I’ll preface this by saying I think Jokic should be MVP as of now. But for the crowd who says Tatum just plays on a loaded team, and has the best second guy in basketball, here’s some fun lineup data. All per CTG, which filters out garbage time.

Jaylen/White on, Tatum off: +7.4, 91st percentile. This pairing has been very good, the rest paints a pretty clear picture.

Tatum on: +8.8, 94th percentile.
Tatum off: -0.4, 47th percentile.

Jaylen on, Tatum off: +1.9, 63th percentile.
Tatum on, Jaylen off: +15.5, 99th percentile.
Jaylen/Tatum both on: +4.9, 82nd percentile.

Jaylen/Brogdon on, Tatum off: -3.7, 29th percentile.
Tatum/Brogdon on, Jaylen off: +16.6, 99th percentile.

Smart/Jaylen/Al on, Tatum off: -2.7, 33rd percentile.
Smart/Tatum/Al on, Jaylen off: +21.9, 99th percentile

Smart/Jaylen on, Tatum off: -2.6, 34th percentile.
Smart/Tatum on, Jaylen off: +25.0, 100th percentile.

Al/Jaylen on, Tatum off: +1.3, 58th percentile.
Al/Tatum on, Jaylen off: +16.0, 99th percentile.

Rob/Jaylen on, Tatum off: +1.9, 63rd percentile.
Rob/Tatum on, Jaylen off: +14.1, 99th percentile.

Tatum on, Rob/Jaylen/Smart/Al off: +12.7, 98th percentile.

Awesome post!!!

Can you do the same for Jokic on/off vs. his starters, best players, also (I don't have a CTG subscription). Thank you, sir!

Post #1726 » by **Feed Your Head** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 1:52 pm

ty 4191 wrote:
The Comedian wrote:I’ll preface this by saying I think Jokic should be MVP as of now. But for the crowd who says Tatum just plays on a loaded team, and has the best second guy in basketball, here’s some fun lineup data. All per CTG, which filters out garbage time.

Jaylen/White on, Tatum off: +7.4, 91st percentile. This pairing has been very good, the rest paints a pretty clear picture.

Tatum on: +8.8, 94th percentile.
Tatum off: -0.4, 47th percentile.

Jaylen on, Tatum off: +1.9, 63th percentile.
Tatum on, Jaylen off: +15.5, 99th percentile.
Jaylen/Tatum both on: +4.9, 82nd percentile.

Jaylen/Brogdon on, Tatum off: -3.7, 29th percentile.
Tatum/Brogdon on, Jaylen off: +16.6, 99th percentile.

Smart/Jaylen/Al on, Tatum off: -2.7, 33rd percentile.
Smart/Tatum/Al on, Jaylen off: +21.9, 99th percentile

Smart/Jaylen on, Tatum off: -2.6, 34th percentile.
Smart/Tatum on, Jaylen off: +25.0, 100th percentile.

Al/Jaylen on, Tatum off: +1.3, 58th percentile.
Al/Tatum on, Jaylen off: +16.0, 99th percentile.

Rob/Jaylen on, Tatum off: +1.9, 63rd percentile.
Rob/Tatum on, Jaylen off: +14.1, 99th percentile.

Tatum on, Rob/Jaylen/Smart/Al off: +12.7, 98th percentile.

Awesome post!!!

Can you do the same for Jokic on/off vs. his starters, best players, also (I don't have a CTG subscription). Thank you, sir!

Yeah I’ll do it later today, Jokic’s numbers will be even more extreme lol.

ty 4191 · Post #1727 » by **ty 4191** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:14 pm

eyeatoma wrote:MVP hype for Embiid once again.

First, I thought you'd appreciate this:

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Second, team records with and without MVP Candidates:

Embiid: 22-10 (.657) with him, 8-4 (.667) without him
Jokic: 33-11 (.738) with, 3-4 (.429) without
Tatum: 33-14 (.702) with, 2-1 (.667) without
Doncic: 26-19 (.578) with, 0-5 (.000) without
Giannis: 26-12 (.684) with, 6-5 (.545) without

Top 10 in MP sorted by WS/48 [b]without each superstar (.100 is average):[/b]

Sixers: .096 (Harden .199, 2nd on the Sixers, (Sixers have 6 players over .100 WS/48)
Nuggets: .076 Gordon .165, 2nd, (Nuggets have 3 players over .100 WS/48)
Celtics: 1.037 (Celtics have 7 top 10 in MP over .100 WS/48)
Mavericks: .079 (Dinwiddle .131, 2nd)
Bucks: .085 (Portis .146, 2nd, Bucks have 6 of the top 10 in MP over .100 WS/48)

Top 10 in MP sorted by VORP without each superstar:

Sixers: 5
Nuggets: 3.9
Celtics: 6.4
Mavericks: 2.3
Bucks: 5

Top 10 in MP sorted by Win Shares without each superstar:

Sixers: 20.1
Nuggets: 17.9
Celtics: 23.1
Mavericks: 17.4
Bucks: 19.6

The Sixers have a better team outside of Embiid than the Nuggets do without Jokic.

And, Luka has the worst supporting cast; he's got a poor supporting cast, but it's still better than Jokic's G League squad last year that Jokic led to 48 wins with:

Top 10 in MP sans Jokic:
WS/48: .595 (~40% worse than league average)
VORP: 2.9

Hopefully Doncic is ok. He's putting up an ATG season, IMO, and he's doing it with a decimated/subpar staff.

Jokic is still MVP by a wide margin. MVP Odds Today (Draftkings):
Jokic: -160 (5/8)
Doncic: +475
Tatum: +650
Embiid: +800
Giannis: +1300

ty 4191 · Post #1728 » by **ty 4191** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:18 pm

The Comedian wrote:Yeah I’ll do it later today, Jokic’s numbers will be even more extreme lol.

Thanks!!

And yes, they will, because he's the MVP this season. Again.

LessEyeTest · Post #1729 » by **LessEyeTest** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:18 pm

This is 100% Jokic's MVP. We can play make believe and act like the race is close, but eventually people will have to grow up and realize the race looks something like this:

1. Jokic

2. Tatum
3. Doncic
4. KD

5. Giannnis

6. Embiid

Sgt Major · Post #1730 » by **Sgt Major** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 2:20 pm

While everyone is going nuts about MVP award and All-Star starting lineup, this guy wants to take pics with the white horse :lol:

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moderndarwin · Post #1731 » by **moderndarwin** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 7:57 pm

MVP would be so devalued if it kept going to someone who can’t lead their team to a chip. Weak.

Exp0sed · Post #1732 » by **Exp0sed** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 8:57 pm

delete wrong thread

bradybunch · Post #1733 » by **bradybunch** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:17 pm

With Jokic taking more games off recently, the load management argument is becoming less of an issue for Embiid.

Embiid destroyed Jokic today head to head.

I'm a bigger fan of Jokic, but Embiid manned up today.

MVP.

deneem4 · Post #1734 » by **deneem4** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:20 pm

LessEyeTest wrote:This is 100% Jokic's MVP. We can play make believe and act like the race is close, but eventually people will have to grow up and realize the race looks something like this:

1. Jokic

2. Tatum
3. Doncic
4. KD

5. Giannnis

6. Embiid

Jokic
Ja
Sabonis
Zion
Luka

Tatum
Embiid
Giannas
Donovan
Kd/Kyrie

moderndarwin · Post #1735 » by **moderndarwin** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:23 pm

Think this game clearly stops any Joker mvp talk right? Give it to Steph.

moderndarwin · Post #1736 » by **moderndarwin** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:25 pm

bang!

_NoMas · Post #1737 » by **_NoMas** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:27 pm

Narratives and big match ups are every bit a part of the MVP race. And Embiid owned Jokic tonight with the eyes of the basketball world on them. Jokic was passive

Ballerhogger · Post #1738 » by **Ballerhogger** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:30 pm

You guys waisted no time imo

Wolfgang630 · Post #1739 » by **Wolfgang630** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:30 pm

It’s hard not to have Embiid as top 2 for MVP. Joker is way too passive in big games like this

eyeatoma · Post #1740 » by **eyeatoma** » Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:34 pm

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