MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened

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Who is your pick for the 2019-20 MVP?

Antetokounmpo
253
51%
James
53
11%
Walker
4
1%
Doncic
117
24%
Harden
27
5%
Siakam
12
2%
Jokic
4
1%
Leonard
5
1%
Davis
17
3%
Towns
5
1%
 
Total votes: 497

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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened 

Post#1741 » by Archx » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:05 pm

Colbinii wrote:The offense is one of the most dynamic offenses in NBA History with Luka on the bench as well.


You say this and then you proceed to counter your statement with this...

Colbinii wrote:
The Mavericks have some nice pieces offensively who fit perfectly with a ball-dominant, do-everything-on-offensise-player like Luka or Harden.

Just looking through the roster guys like Hardaway, Curry, Kleber, Wright, Powell are all perfect fits offensively next to Luka. They space the floor or finish above/around the rim at an elite-level. Tremendous roster construction around Luka to maximize his talents as a player. The obvious black mark for Dallas is Porzingis but having a player like him who doesn't need the ball in his hand to make an impact is, again, another positive asset for Dallas [Well, he has sucked when the ball is in his hand].

This team is constructed very similarly to the Houston Rockets actually: Great coach, high IQ offensive star who can do it all, overpaid 2nd star who is terrible [westbrook/zinger]. I actually think these two rosters are nearly identical and I think Dallas has a roster better suited to maximize Doncic more than Houston does with Harden but both do a tremendous job with it.

Milwaukee to me is a bit more impressive because Giannis, while having less responsibility on offense, is putting together one of the best defensive seasons of the decade.


You take Harden off of Houston team and they will still have RW, who will start putting up crazy stats like he did in OKC, but he will never be as efficient as Harden or Luka because his IQ in my opinion is nowhere near as high as theirs. Still they would have someone to run the show.

Then you take away Doncic from Dallas team and watch what happens. Who is going to run the show? Brunson? Wright? THJ? Have you watched more than 1 game when any of them is main offensive creator? Even an old and injured Barea is doing a far better job at creating the offense than all of them combined.
Their main 2nd option is still trying to find his way and their most reliable 2nd option is THJ, who has 5 great games and 5 bad ones. He's very up and down when it comes to form.
So, who is the middle man then that can connect all the dots? It's easy to look at advance stats but i guess it's way more lazy to actually sit down and watch games.

As for MIL, take away Giannis and they still have Middleton, Lopez, Bledsoe and a very strong bench. Entire MIL team is filled with playoff tested veterans who know how to win. Even though Giannis is the motor, i think they could survive the season without him until the playoffs start.

I mean i understand people try to diminish Doncic's effect on the team because, well i actually have no clue why, but the fact is, Doncic is their nr1 guy, by far, who strings everything together.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened 

Post#1742 » by LikeABosh » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:17 pm

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Dupp wrote: Also Giannis was absolutely a cant miss prospect nba teams just didn’t realise.


I think you have a different understanding of what a "can't miss" prospect is. Giannis was selected as a project and it was hard to know how good he would be. "Can't miss" is used interchangeably as a "sure thing" and that's definitely not what Giannis was. There were a lot of question marks about him during that draft


That’s just not knowing though. Giannis was always gonna be a star and one of the biggest athletic freaks ever. Just because he wasn’t seen as a can’t miss prospect doesn’t mean he wasn’t one.

I’m not sure there’s many or any scenarios where he doesn’t develop to at least an all star.


That's just not the way people use it, but I get what you're saying
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened 

Post#1743 » by Alonzo_Morning » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:24 pm

Luka already has the GOAT Caucasian on lock

Can he be the best of all time?
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Post#1744 » by Homer38 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:27 pm

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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened 

Post#1745 » by TheBonzaiEffect » Sat Dec 14, 2019 12:03 am

Colbinii wrote:
leolozon wrote:
Colbinii wrote:The Mavericks have the best bench in the NBA and the Mavericks have the highest Offensive Rating in the league without Luka [around 115 when Luka sits, next highest is 114].

Giannis is clearly better and doing more with less.

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That's such a lazy analysis... Having a great bench is now more important than having better starters.


Huh? I never said that.
It is also ironic you said I have "lazy analysis" when the guy I was replying to used the analysis of, and I quote "make his opponents look like bums and his teammates like all-stars"...as if that is analysis?

Stop the press! What you need is the best 6-10 guys! Stop trying to find great 2nd-5th options! Help can only come from the bench!


Hyperbolic?

While Giannis is the MVP so far, he certainly isn't doing more with less while he's on the floor. The second best offensive player in the starting lineup is Tim Hardaway Jr... You want to look at the Bucks' starting lineup?


I never said it is one side of the coin.

The Mavericks have some nice pieces offensively who fit perfectly with a ball-dominant, do-everything-on-offensise-player like Luka or Harden.

Just looking through the roster guys like Hardaway, Curry, Kleber, Wright, Powell are all perfect fits offensively next to Luka. They space the floor or finish above/around the rim at an elite-level. Tremendous roster construction around Luka to maximize his talents as a player. The obvious black mark for Dallas is Porzingis but having a player like him who doesn't need the ball in his hand to make an impact is, again, another positive asset for Dallas [Well, he has sucked when the ball is in his hand].

This team is constructed very similarly to the Houston Rockets actually: Great coach, high IQ offensive star who can do it all, overpaid 2nd star who is terrible [westbrook/zinger]. I actually think these two rosters are nearly identical and I think Dallas has a roster better suited to maximize Doncic more than Houston does with Harden but both do a tremendous job with it.

Milwaukee to me is a bit more impressive because Giannis, while having less responsibility on offense, is putting together one of the best defensive seasons of the decade.


Uhh...what exactly do THJ, Kleber, and Wright do at an elite level offensively?
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened 

Post#1746 » by LoneyROY » Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:14 am

No matter what you do. No matter what you say. No matter how much you whine. No matter how much you cry.

You can't stop Harden from being right at the forefront of the MVP race. Every. Single. Year.
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Post#1747 » by 90sAllDecade » Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:15 am

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Post#1748 » by Vsauce12 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:20 am

Harden just might finish 3rd instead of 4th behind Giannis and Luka
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened 

Post#1749 » by Vsauce12 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:21 am

LoneyROY wrote:No matter what you do. No matter what you say. No matter how much you whine. No matter how much you cry.

You can't stop Harden from being right at the forefront of the MVP race. Every. Single. Year.

And you can’t stop him from flaming out in the playoffs. Every. Single. Year.
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened 

Post#1750 » by LoneyROY » Sat Dec 14, 2019 2:26 am

Vsauce12 wrote:
LoneyROY wrote:No matter what you do. No matter what you say. No matter how much you whine. No matter how much you cry.

You can't stop Harden from being right at the forefront of the MVP race. Every. Single. Year.

And you can’t stop him from flaming out in the playoffs. Every. Single. Year.


Has this coming postseason been written yet or for the next 5+ years? Last time I saw Harden in the playoffs he was dropping 35/7/6 on the Warriors with KD...he just didn't have enough help.

So no, that part has yet to be written. You know what has been written though? Harden being one of the most unstoppable players in NBA history.
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Post#1751 » by Homer38 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:01 am

Skip Bayless think Anthony Davis is the league MVP right now….

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Post#1752 » by Mr B » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:02 am

It’s clearly a 4 man race.

Giannis
Labron
Luka
Harden

That’s what order I would put them in (and I’m a Mavs fan). The MVP has usually gone to the best player on the best team. Giannis and Labron fit that description. Luka and Harden are AMAZING to watch but their teams are not at the top of the standings so it will be hard for them to win it.


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Post#1753 » by Ballerhogger » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:19 am

Alonzo_Morning wrote:Luka already has the GOAT Caucasian on lock

Can he be the best of all time?

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Post#1754 » by Ballerhogger » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:20 am

AD 33 and 12 tonight just a force defensively and winning basketball
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Post#1755 » by Magic Giannison » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:25 am

Giannis willed us to win with his Clutch, shooting 3s staling the ball dunking on everyone.

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Post#1756 » by Magic Giannison » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:26 am

Giannis got 37 pts and 11 boards on 52/43/77 shooting splits in 27 min.....
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Post#1757 » by Je K » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:27 am

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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened 

Post#1758 » by Vsauce12 » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:27 am

37 points in 27 minutes, y’all better stop playing with that man and put some repec on Giannis’s name
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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened 

Post#1759 » by Dupp » Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:28 am

Ballerhogger wrote:
Alonzo_Morning wrote:Luka already has the GOAT Caucasian on lock

Can he be the best of all time?

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Re: MVP Discussion [19/20] [part I] - voting reopened 

Post#1760 » by dynamic duo » Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:06 am

lebron is the clear-cut mvp right now but giannis and caruso are close.

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