Luka AD trade thread Part II

[Dr Aki]

[Tomhomes33]

The biggest absurd of this trade is that I now find myself waiting to watch Laker’s games, check on news from LA, although I dislike the franchise as many do here:)

[Ruma85]

Is this real?

[Dr Aki]

Yes

https://uproxx.com/dimemag/markieff-morris-reaction-lakers-mavs-trade-who-wants-me/

[Castle Black]

[Slacktard]

So Dallas throwing out fans for chanting "Fire Nico" or holding up signs with it. Looks like its not only players who turned into weak cowards with crowd criticism.

It used to be pretty common seeing fans showing up with fire "insert coach/gm" or sell the team stuff.

[hugepatsfan]

I still can’t believe this happened. Nico Harrison is a war criminal

[Han Solo]

I can’t believe they threw fans out for that. Troy Weaver threw someone out in Detroit. But pretty sure they were swearing at each other. These people just holding signs? Teams forgetting, without the fans, the league means nothing.


Before Bird and Magic, the NBA about went bankrupt. The league can’t forget its fans.

[thelead]

I still can’t believe that the Lakers stole yet another superstar

[Dirk2Doncic]

So Dallas throwing out fans for chanting "Fire Nico" or holding up signs with it. Looks like its not only players who turned into weak cowards with crowd criticism.

It used to be pretty common seeing fans showing up with fire "insert coach/gm" or sell the team stuff.

It's the same mentality that traded Luka.

People like Nico Harrison and Patrick Dumont in the world of big business are a dime a dozen. They are common. That's where they came from. That's what happened.

[Dirk2Doncic]

Watch on YouTube

I listened to the first 27 minutes. All of it was spot on.

[CobraCommander]

You must be either young, or you don't know sports history. Teams have picked up and moved to another state, leaving their fans with nothing. Now tell me which one is worse!

Yeah that post about no teams endured more is stupid- a better player and a home grown talent in LeBron left while he was universally recognized as the best in the world- Cavs fans were devastated- same city saw their football team leave mid season like F yall - same city been getting kicked in the nuts for decades lol -

Dallas not even a basketball city- the cowboys run that town.

I can tell how many of yall are Luka only fans and ain’t been to Dallas… Mavs fans are hurting now but football season right around the corner.:: and that city gonna rotate back to their true love.

Luka already integrated into LA… and is moving on after learning a valuable lesson… these teams are not loyal -

I feel bad for the Mavs now but honestly they gonna get a ring with AD if he gets healthy and while I think Luka would have got them one too… over the next year a healthy AD gave them a better chance than a healthy Luka… over the next decade tho- Luka gonna be the face of sports in America….

You post a lot of good stuff but this is really bad for you. The Mavs aren’t winning ANYthing in the next year or so, or even in the next 5-8 years with this core. Even without AD getting hurt, they have no Alpha dog. Damn, man, you know that. C’mon, you’re better than this. Mavs fans and Cowboys aren’t necessarily the same people.

so are you a mavs fan or a Luka fan...but I do think AD and Kyrie are top dogs- they both can play that role for a team. both are top 75 all time players and not that far out of their prime.

[CobraCommander]

You must be either young, or you don't know sports history. Teams have picked up and moved to another state, leaving their fans with nothing. Now tell me which one is worse!

Yeah that post about no teams endured more is stupid- a better player and a home grown talent in LeBron left while he was universally recognized as the best in the world- Cavs fans were devastated- same city saw their football team leave mid season like F yall - same city been getting kicked in the nuts for decades lol -

Dallas not even a basketball city- the cowboys run that town.

I can tell how many of yall are Luka only fans and ain’t been to Dallas… Mavs fans are hurting now but football season right around the corner.:: and that city gonna rotate back to their true love.

Luka already integrated into LA… and is moving on after learning a valuable lesson… these teams are not loyal -

I feel bad for the Mavs now but honestly they gonna get a ring with AD if he gets healthy and while I think Luka would have got them one too… over the next year a healthy AD gave them a better chance than a healthy Luka… over the next decade tho- Luka gonna be the face of sports in America….

LMAO. Dude you're always on every Luka thread like an obsessed stalker.

I got 1000s of post and ESPN talks about the same 5 stories...and if you look im on all the threads...I need a life

thanks for the reminder that my life sucks lol

[DaFan334]

Too bad the Nuggets don't see the Mavs again this year at home. I would love to get a Fire Nico chant going in a road building.

[hauntedcomputer]

You guys just don't see the master plan.

Get in lottery, get a #5 pick, have two dumber teams pick before you, trade down to a team that is targeting a worse player, then pick the next Luka.

[BmanInBigD]

Yeah that post about no teams endured more is stupid- a better player and a home grown talent in LeBron left while he was universally recognized as the best in the world- Cavs fans were devastated- same city saw their football team leave mid season like F yall - same city been getting kicked in the nuts for decades lol -

Dallas not even a basketball city- the cowboys run that town.

I can tell how many of yall are Luka only fans and ain’t been to Dallas… Mavs fans are hurting now but football season right around the corner.:: and that city gonna rotate back to their true love.

Luka already integrated into LA… and is moving on after learning a valuable lesson… these teams are not loyal -

I feel bad for the Mavs now but honestly they gonna get a ring with AD if he gets healthy and while I think Luka would have got them one too… over the next year a healthy AD gave them a better chance than a healthy Luka… over the next decade tho- Luka gonna be the face of sports in America….

You post a lot of good stuff but this is really bad for you. The Mavs aren’t winning ANYthing in the next year or so, or even in the next 5-8 years with this core. Even without AD getting hurt, they have no Alpha dog. Damn, man, you know that. C’mon, you’re better than this. Mavs fans and Cowboys aren’t necessarily the same people.

so are you a mavs fan or a Luka fan...but I do think AD and Kyrie are top dogs- they both can play that role for a team. both are top 75 all time players and not that far out of their prime.

I'm both. AD is a freaking fantastic player, but he's no alpha dog. Pels were terrible with him as their alpha. He needed someone like LeBron to take him somewhere in the PS. He can fill up the boxscore but when you NEED a play or bucket, you NEED a Luka or a LeBron or a..., well you get the idea.

[bstein14]

Just wait til LeBron joins Dallas this summer for the MLE.

Livley / Gafford
AD / PJ
LeBron / Naji Marshall
Klay / Christie
Kyrie / CP3

Going to be lit down in Dallas with Nico brining together the crew for one last ride together.

[CobraCommander]

You post a lot of good stuff but this is really bad for you. The Mavs aren’t winning ANYthing in the next year or so, or even in the next 5-8 years with this core. Even without AD getting hurt, they have no Alpha dog. Damn, man, you know that. C’mon, you’re better than this. Mavs fans and Cowboys aren’t necessarily the same people.

so are you a mavs fan or a Luka fan...but I do think AD and Kyrie are top dogs- they both can play that role for a team. both are top 75 all time players and not that far out of their prime.

I'm both. AD is a freaking fantastic player, but he's no alpha dog. Pels were terrible with him as their alpha. He needed someone like LeBron to take him somewhere in the PS. He can fill up the boxscore but when you NEED a play or bucket, you NEED a Luka or a LeBron or a..., well you get the idea.

TLDR- I agree with you with caveats and I think its reasonable for someone to trade Luka if they believe some things.,.. I wouldnt trade Luka but I do understand why someone would. , I do think AD could help them win a ring under ideal circumstances-

the long story
I think Kyrie has proven even more than Luka that if you need a big bucket he can get that....

even if that shot is on the road and is for a championship- BUT IF ITS ME AND I GOT ONE SHOT OR GAME TO WIN THE RING...I trust Luka more than even Kyrie...even though Kyrie has DONE IT

but damnit its better if you got BOTH Kyrie and Luka...thats a winning situation if you need ONE shot and you got two big shot makers

So while I think Kyrie can get you a bucket on anyone, go on a run, dominate a quarter or win you a game by dropping 40 and being unstoppable,.....essentially being the alpha....I agree with you in essence, I don't think Kyrie is that alpha game over game...for a full playoff run because if he was, he would have done it by now.

but I think Kyrie, AD and a healthy Mavs roster is built to be like the Celtics and win potentially win a ring.

The Mavs think AD and Kyrie - and a deep supporting cast could be like Tatum, Brown, Jru, White and KP...and if you think about it....the Mavs thought Luka and this supporting cast could win...

honestly the basketball brain trust of the mavs think they have enough Offense with AD and Kyrie...but with AD they will have much better defense and much better "best player leadership"

people forget how "bad" Lukas finals was...but a reminder-
https://youtu.be/j8XytYvhaJg?si=c-YaisGeNtNxX_HF

you can look at the stats of Luka and forget that he melted down in the finals and gave Boston some games in the most crucial time....I chalk that up to immaturity but Luka has a history of immaturity that has bit the Mavs and his Slovian team. Luka is emotionally immature AND amazingly talented.

I think the Mavs think AD locked in and healthy will be better than a volatile out of shape otherworldly talent that doesn't come in in shape or seems to care about fitness....

I wouldnt trade Luka but I do understand why someone would.

If im a Mavs fan, I don't have to deal with a out of shape arrogant diva everyday at work like the Mavs staff and ownership have alluded to, AS A FANI just sees what he does ON the court and only care about results.

I wouldnt trade Luka but I do understand why someone would.

especially if im a new owner and I tell Luka, I need you to come in at 230 pounds and he comes into the camp at 270. the 230 for Luka has apparently been dictated by the Mavs after research with sports scientist to ensure he has the highest chance of health as he ages. like they say, injured young people become injured old people.

so...I wouldnt trade Luka but I do understand why someone would.

I think after hearing the owner, he comes across mild mannered when he talks about everything except, work ethic, then he sounds like David Goggins - "working hard is the only want to win". and while I agree with that personally in my life and with my family, I don't know if I am arrogant enough to expect my level of hard work with my employees IF they get their job done...

but if you have a arrogant owner (like every owner) and you have a arrogant player (like every super star) clashing (apparently passive aggressively) and the owner proved he had more power than the player...


I don't blame Nico honestly- All Nico should have done is try to talk the owner out of this...but if Luka disregarded Nicos advice to shape up then maybe Nico was like "forget it, this guy is never going to be like Kobe or MJ or Lebron"

againI wouldnt trade Luka but I do understand why someone would.

If Luka gets you to the finals you let him try to get you back and get over the hill...the mavs were the second best team on earth last year - cause honestly do we think any OTHER team beats last years mavs? I don't.... the mavs ownership messed up... I do think AD and the Mavs - if healthy could beat Boston but I don't think they get past Denver or OKC without Luka...lol. So I agree with you but I get why the mavs owner moved him....

arrogant billionaires don't always operate in reality - for their benefit - the billionaires arrogance is in part why they are billionaires ...but that same arrogance can kill a company...and I think the mavs just killed the value of their franchise and just put billions in the pocket of the lakers....

[zero rings]

So far neither team is winning this trade. AD immediately got injured, and Luka looks like the Michelin man out there. He’s been terrible through two games.

We probably won’t know who won this trade for years, but so far Nico and the Mavs don’t look like the crazy people they’ve been made out to be. Lakers aren’t winning anything with a fat, out of shape Luka. He needs to get his act together.

[CobraCommander]

So far neither team is winning this trade. AD immediately got injured, and Luka looks like the Michelin man out there. He’s been terrible through two games.

We probably won’t know who won this trade for years, but so far Nico and the Mavs don’t look like the crazy people they’ve been made out to be. Lakers aren’t winning anything with a fat, out of shape Luka. He needs to get his act together.

luka coming off a injury since CHRISTMAS looks Ok but not great through two games on a minutes restriction and AD is hurt again...two things that we both expected...

I would ask you this...if things go exactly as we expect- AD will be as his name suggest Anthony "day to day" Davis and Luka will be Luka magic... if things just continue as they always have for both players the Lakers win... as someone else astutely called out...AD without Lebron was a good player but a oft injured loser in NO and Lukas teams have gotten better year over year...

as we say "past performance doesn't ensure future returns" but damnit I buy stocks from companies that have track records of winning !