2021-22 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt. 1)

[The Box Office]

3. Embiid
2. Steph Curry
1. Chris Paul

Honorable mention: Jokic, DeMar DeRozan, Jimmy Butler

If y'all want Jokic to get a 2nd league MVP, the Denver Nuggets has to finish, at minimum, with the 2nd best record in the West.

No he doesn’t have to be 2nd at minimum.

That's all in your head then. Chris Paul is the front runner right now since he has a great case: his stats are great and his Phoenix Suns has the best record in the NBA.

[Mickey8]

If Denver was full strength then yes, but being shorthanded all season long , just being in the play off' race is the big success for this team , I have the Nuggets missing the play off's two months ago , I opened up the thread about that , I guess I might be wrong.

[Mickey8]

3. Embiid
2. Steph Curry
1. Chris Paul

Honorable mention: Jokic, DeMar DeRozan, Jimmy Butler

If y'all want Jokic to get a 2nd league MVP, the Denver Nuggets has to finish, at minimum, with the 2nd best record in the West.

No he doesn’t have to be 2nd at minimum.

That's all in your head then. Chris Paul is the front runner right now since he has a great case: his stats are great and his Phoenix Suns has the best record in the NBA.

He's definitely a candidate but nobody considers him as the top 5 candidate even tough I think he should be, 4 or 5.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

3. Embiid
2. Steph Curry
1. Chris Paul

Honorable mention: Jokic, DeMar DeRozan, Jimmy Butler

If y'all want Jokic to get a 2nd league MVP, the Denver Nuggets has to finish, at minimum, with the 2nd best record in the West.

You are basically saying Jokic is out. Say 55 wins is the threshold for second (enough to possibly hold off enough other team but still allow the Nuggets to catch up). Warriors would be 17-14 the rest of the way with one of the easier schedules. Nuggets would have to go 27-6 with 4 games against the suns/Warriors....Not happening. If it did happen, it would be a complete runaway.

4th seed is enough to keep him in the running. A lot of it depends on Giannis and Embiid. If Sixers keep it up and finish 1 in the east, I don't know how he doesn't win the award. To a lesser extent, Giannis puts them on a winning streak and the MVP is probably his. If all are 3-4 seeds, then it is Jokic's. (this is all assuming stats are relatively close)

[Johnny Firpo]

Anything to convince yourselves that Jokic is the MVP eh.

At this point, on February 1st, he is pretty clearly the MVP, but there is still a long way to go. Suggesting that you need some sort of "convincing" when he dominates virtually every advanced stat and amazes the casuals and the experts alike with his play, is a ridiculous suggestion. One should only need convincing if they want to give it to someone else, the Jokic choice is a pretty clear one right now.

[The Box Office]

Remember when Derrick Rose earned League MVP? The Bulls had the best record in the NBA. If the Bulls were in 5th place, D.Rose wouldn't have won it.

Jokic's Denver Nuggets are currently in 5th place in the West. Tell Jokic and his team to stop losing games. Make up some ground. It's still possible.

[Bobbcats]

Remember when Derrick Rose earned League MVP? The Bulls had the best record in the NBA. If the Bulls were in 5th place, D.Rose wouldn't have won it.

Haven't been following who's arguing what but are you relating this to Jokic? Rose was putting up average all-Star numbers so of course he wouldn't have won it in that situation.

edit: Nevermind, wrote that before the edit. This is completely comparing apples to oranges, Jokic is putting up historical numbers, Rose's weren't good enough for all-NBA 1st team most years

[Janko035]

Remember when Jokic already won MVP? Yeah, his team shared the 3rd best record in the west, and he won the award easily, receiving 91 out 101 first place votes.

When you make arguments so confidently, at least check to see whether recent history backs your claims up.

[The Box Office]

Remember when Derrick Rose earned League MVP? The Bulls had the best record in the NBA. If the Bulls were in 5th place, D.Rose wouldn't have won it.

Haven't been following who's arguing what but are you relating this to Jokic? Rose was putting up average all-Star numbers so of course he wouldn't have won it in that situation.

edit: Nevermind, wrote that before the edit. This is completely comparing apples to oranges, Jokic is putting up historical numbers, Rose's weren't good enough for all-NBA 1st team most years

And the voters back then voting for Derrick Rose didn't care about his numbers. Only you did. They only cared about the Bulls having the best record in the NBA.

Clearly, Jokic's Denver Nuggets is in 5th place in the West.

[The Box Office]

Remember when Jokic already won MVP? Yeah, his team shared the 3rd best record in the west, and he won the award easily, receiving 91 out 101 first place votes.

When you make arguments so confidently, at least check to see whether recent history backs your claims up.

That's pretty good for 3rd best record in the West. And he got it. I'm not arguing against that. Let's see if your RECENT REALLY RECENT, in the moment, backs up your claim.

Denver Nuggets still number 5 in the West as of this writing.

Let's see how the season ends. If Chris Paul and the Suns get 60 wins and best record in the NBA, and Chris Paul doesn't get injured, Chris Paul is taking it. Then we have to see how the Warriors, Bulls, Bucks, and Sixers pan out, too.

[Wolfgang630]

Chris Paul ain’t taking no MVP. They could be first and Embiid could be fist in the East and they will give it to Embiid.

[The Box Office]

Why are you arguing against me? I don't have an official vote. A lot of insecurities in this thread. LOL. If you feel so passionate, look up the names of the people who ACTUALLY have an official vote and argue with them.

Y'all really do not want Chris Paul winning this eh? Well, when CP3 is still putting up great numbers and playing great defense while leading the Suns to 60 wins then that is impossible to ignore and at the age of 36. He made himself a great case. If Suns can get that, CP3 has my vote even though my vote doesn't mean anything.

EDIT: I forgot about Giannis. He's still in this MVP race.

[Jurassic_Park]

3. Embiid
2. Steph Curry
1. Chris Paul

Honorable mention: Jokic, DeMar DeRozan, Jimmy Butler

If y'all want Jokic to get a 2nd league MVP, the Denver Nuggets has to finish, at minimum, with the 2nd best record in the West.

No he doesn’t have to be 2nd at minimum.

That's all in your head then. Chris Paul is the front runner right now since he has a great case: his stats are great and his Phoenix Suns has the best record in the NBA.

Worst list i have seen. Cp has 0 chance of winning it.

[hisairness]

Suns could go 33-0 rest of the way and Paul would still probably finish 4th or 5th.

[The Box Office]

:lol: Suns could go 33-0 rest of the way and Paul would still probably finish 4th or 5th.

If Suns do and CP3 doesn't get injured along the way then Chris Paul got the MVP locked up.

[Blaze4G]

Remember when Derrick Rose earned League MVP? The Bulls had the best record in the NBA. If the Bulls were in 5th place, D.Rose wouldn't have won it.

Haven't been following who's arguing what but are you relating this to Jokic? Rose was putting up average all-Star numbers so of course he wouldn't have won it in that situation.

edit: Nevermind, wrote that before the edit. This is completely comparing apples to oranges, Jokic is putting up historical numbers, Rose's weren't good enough for all-NBA 1st team most years

And the voters back then voting for Derrick Rose didn't care about his numbers. Only you did. They only cared about the Bulls having the best record in the NBA.

Clearly, Jokic's Denver Nuggets is in 5th place in the West.

and the voters just last year didn't care that Nuggets was #3 in the west, only you did. They only cared that Jokic put up historical numbers and was obviously the best player in the league last year. YOU SAID Nuggets has to be minimum a #2 seed in the west....when they were 3rd seed last year and Jokic won. Jokic is once again beating last season and putting up historical numbers without the next 2 best players on his team.

If embidd finishes with a top 3 seed he has a good chance too. CP3 is 4th or 5th at best.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Remember when Jokic already won MVP? Yeah, his team shared the 3rd best record in the west, and he won the award easily, receiving 91 out 101 first place votes.

When you make arguments so confidently, at least check to see whether recent history backs your claims up.

I agree he definitely can win it, but last year was weird where in the East you had 1 seed and 2 seed not have an eligible player for the award due to injuries. In the West, the 1 and 2 seed didn't have a dominant offensive player - Gobert and Paul dont put up the stats.

Not saying it is the determining factor, but it will be different this year if Embiid or Giannis pull their team to the 1-seed. It will be hard to give it to Jokic over Embiid in that scenario if the numbers are close.

[Cubbies2120]

Remember when Jokic already won MVP? Yeah, his team shared the 3rd best record in the west, and he won the award easily, receiving 91 out 101 first place votes.

When you make arguments so confidently, at least check to see whether recent history backs your claims up.

I agree he definitely can win it, but last year was weird where in the East you had 1 seed and 2 seed not have an eligible player for the award due to injuries. In the West, the 1 and 2 seed didn't have a dominant offensive player - Gobert and Paul dont put up the stats.

Not saying it is the determining factor, but it will be different this year if Embiid or Giannis pull their team to the 1-seed. It will be hard to give it to Jokic over Embiid in that scenario if the numbers are close.

Theoretically Jokic can finish with a better record than both of them, but a lower seed due to the top-heavy West. They're 27-17 when Jokic plays despite having a tough schedule to start the year. I imagine that having an easy 2nd half to the year will benefit his spot in the standings.

[feyki]

Paul won't get even one first place vote.

[Jadoogar]

Nuggets are very close having homecourt which is insane given their injuries.
People saying CP is higher than Jokic due to the team success are insane. Credit to the Suns but they are much healthier and much better team than the Nuggets. Suns next best players are Devin Booker (all-nba), Mikal Bridges (all-defense) surrounded by good role players in Cam Johnson and Jae Crowder.

Nuggets next best players are Aaron Gordon, Will Barton (missed a lot of time), and then i'm struggling to name good players.