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Post#1761 » by WestGOAT » Sat Dec 28, 2024 6:19 pm

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Post#1762 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sat Dec 28, 2024 6:27 pm

Love what Wemby did with the spontaneous chess thing. It was as unscripted and unplanned as it gets. You can tell because the "press" there seemed to be random paparazzi's that likely saw the post. Very likable player, and the future face of the NBA if he can remain healthy.

For the topic at hand, Wemby has proven me wrong time and time again. When he was drafted I thought he would be a star, but not a generational megastar that others did. So he beat me there. I thought Scoot would end up better :oops: :oops: . It's pretty scary to think in year 2 he's already a top 5 player most likely, or 6-7th at worst.

My only wish for him is that he'd add a little more muscle and develop a better post game. Watch tons of Dirk/Duncan footage. Just for my eyes, it's annoying watching a 7'5" player shoot 10-15 threes. I want to see a sick post game compliment it. He's also rebounding about 15% less because he's out of the paint so much. Maybe it's good to keep the physicality down for him, but I'd love to see an absurd jump hook or dirk post fade at his height. Would be unstoppable even more so.
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Re: Wembanyama. I'm concerned 

Post#1763 » by blueNorange » Sat Dec 28, 2024 7:47 pm

wemby absolutely loves nyc, it's gonna be lit when he becomes a knick in a few years.
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Post#1764 » by hardenASG13 » Sat Dec 28, 2024 7:51 pm

OkcSinceSGA wrote:Love what Wemby did with the spontaneous chess thing. It was as unscripted and unplanned as it gets. You can tell because the "press" there seemed to be random paparazzi's that likely saw the post. Very likable player, and the future face of the NBA if he can remain healthy.

For the topic at hand, Wemby has proven me wrong time and time again. When he was drafted I thought he would be a star, but not a generational megastar that others did. So he beat me there. I thought Scoot would end up better :oops: :oops: . It's pretty scary to think in year 2 he's already a top 5 player most likely, or 6-7th at worst.

My only wish for him is that he'd add a little more muscle and develop a better post game. Watch tons of Dirk/Duncan footage. Just for my eyes, it's annoying watching a 7'5" player shoot 10-15 threes. I want to see a sick post game compliment it. He's also rebounding about 15% less because he's out of the paint so much. Maybe it's good to keep the physicality down for him, but I'd love to see an absurd jump hook or dirk post fade at his height. Would be unstoppable even more so.


Ahhh you were spot on about SGA though, can't get everything right.

But yeah, if he developed the TD face up game/bank shot it's a complete wrap (he can shoot it over anyone, he just cant turn to face right now because his legs are too weak and long). He's starting to add some Dirk one leg fall aways from the ft line already. His stuff inside can come on quick hitters, dump offs and lobs, he doesn't really need to post up down there. As for the 3s, it looks like he's on his way to being one of the best 3 point shooters in the league to me , certainly among high volume guys. The looks he gets from 3 are largely effortless, and he's hitting them in bunches.
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Post#1765 » by og15 » Sat Dec 28, 2024 8:39 pm

OkcSinceSGA wrote:Love what Wemby did with the spontaneous chess thing. It was as unscripted and unplanned as it gets. You can tell because the "press" there seemed to be random paparazzi's that likely saw the post. Very likable player, and the future face of the NBA if he can remain healthy.

For the topic at hand, Wemby has proven me wrong time and time again. When he was drafted I thought he would be a star, but not a generational megastar that others did. So he beat me there. I thought Scoot would end up better :oops: :oops: . It's pretty scary to think in year 2 he's already a top 5 player most likely, or 6-7th at worst.

My only wish for him is that he'd add a little more muscle and develop a better post game. Watch tons of Dirk/Duncan footage. Just for my eyes, it's annoying watching a 7'5" player shoot 10-15 threes. I want to see a sick post game compliment it. He's also rebounding about 15% less because he's out of the paint so much. Maybe it's good to keep the physicality down for him, but I'd love to see an absurd jump hook or dirk post fade at his height. Would be unstoppable even more so.

If you look at other tall and skilled, but not bulky guys like Kareem, the offensive rebound rates aren't that high, but he could get a couple more every few games.

Since the years we have the numbers, 26+, Kareem did 3.4 oreb/100 from 26-34 (not really going to add mid to late 30's since I'm talking about young Wemby).

Wemby was at 3.6 oreb/100 last season, but is down to 2.7 oreb/100 this season. So he certainly could get around 1 more a game and it would line up with a similar body profile guy who played inside the arc his whole career.
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Post#1766 » by OkcSinceSGA » Sat Dec 28, 2024 8:45 pm

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OkcSinceSGA wrote:Love what Wemby did with the spontaneous chess thing. It was as unscripted and unplanned as it gets. You can tell because the "press" there seemed to be random paparazzi's that likely saw the post. Very likable player, and the future face of the NBA if he can remain healthy.

For the topic at hand, Wemby has proven me wrong time and time again. When he was drafted I thought he would be a star, but not a generational megastar that others did. So he beat me there. I thought Scoot would end up better :oops: :oops: . It's pretty scary to think in year 2 he's already a top 5 player most likely, or 6-7th at worst.

My only wish for him is that he'd add a little more muscle and develop a better post game. Watch tons of Dirk/Duncan footage. Just for my eyes, it's annoying watching a 7'5" player shoot 10-15 threes. I want to see a sick post game compliment it. He's also rebounding about 15% less because he's out of the paint so much. Maybe it's good to keep the physicality down for him, but I'd love to see an absurd jump hook or dirk post fade at his height. Would be unstoppable even more so.

If you look at other tall and skilled, but not bulky guys like Kareem, the offensive rebound rates aren't that high, but he could get a couple more every few games.

Since the years we have the numbers, 26+, Kareem did 3.4 oreb/100 from 26-34 (not really going to add mid to late 30's since I'm talking about young Wemby).

Wemby was at 3.6 oreb/100 last season, but is down to 2.7 oreb/100 this season. So he certainly could get around 1 more a game and it would line up with a similar body profile guy who played inside the arc his whole career.


He's down 2 rpg PER36 is more what I think I looked at. Which isn't a big deal at all, more of a nitpick. More just saying that him doubling or tripling his 3 point shooting rate is obviously going to take him out of the paint more. The bigger thing I'd like to see in his game though is paint or at least mid post go to shots. An unstoppable hook shot, fadeaway etc. Something iconic and closer to the basket. So that when he's not hitting from 3, he can still dominate. Even an unstoppable 10 foot jumper I'd be okay with, even though it would be less aesthetic.
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Post#1767 » by og15 » Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:02 pm

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OkcSinceSGA wrote:Love what Wemby did with the spontaneous chess thing. It was as unscripted and unplanned as it gets. You can tell because the "press" there seemed to be random paparazzi's that likely saw the post. Very likable player, and the future face of the NBA if he can remain healthy.

For the topic at hand, Wemby has proven me wrong time and time again. When he was drafted I thought he would be a star, but not a generational megastar that others did. So he beat me there. I thought Scoot would end up better :oops: :oops: . It's pretty scary to think in year 2 he's already a top 5 player most likely, or 6-7th at worst.

My only wish for him is that he'd add a little more muscle and develop a better post game. Watch tons of Dirk/Duncan footage. Just for my eyes, it's annoying watching a 7'5" player shoot 10-15 threes. I want to see a sick post game compliment it. He's also rebounding about 15% less because he's out of the paint so much. Maybe it's good to keep the physicality down for him, but I'd love to see an absurd jump hook or dirk post fade at his height. Would be unstoppable even more so.

If you look at other tall and skilled, but not bulky guys like Kareem, the offensive rebound rates aren't that high, but he could get a couple more every few games.

Since the years we have the numbers, 26+, Kareem did 3.4 oreb/100 from 26-34 (not really going to add mid to late 30's since I'm talking about young Wemby).

Wemby was at 3.6 oreb/100 last season, but is down to 2.7 oreb/100 this season. So he certainly could get around 1 more a game and it would line up with a similar body profile guy who played inside the arc his whole career.


He's down 2 rpg PER36 is more what I think I looked at. Which isn't a big deal at all, more of a nitpick. More just saying that him doubling or tripling his 3 point shooting rate is obviously going to take him out of the paint more. The bigger thing I'd like to see in his game though is paint or at least mid post go to shots. An unstoppable hook shot, fadeaway etc. Something iconic and closer to the basket. So that when he's not hitting from 3, he can still dominate. Even an unstoppable 10 foot jumper I'd be okay with, even though it would be less aesthetic.

His defensive rebounds are down a little too, he's "only" down 0.8 rebs/36 on offense, and on defense he's down 1.2 rebs/36.

The team is +2.3 DRB% when he's on vs off, it was +2.2% last season, but raw DRB% with him on last season was 77.4%, and this year it is 75.6%, but of course other factors play in there.

Seems like he's working on a FT line fade, but it's a work in progress
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Post#1768 » by BrianInPhilly » Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:14 pm

If Wemby desires to be a 7 foot Curry, Spurs better have a plan to target a dominant paint scorer that can feast with the spacing. Once they do that they’ll contend for years to come. They have solid pieces now but none of Vassell, Castle, Champagne, etc are really able to blow by their guy consistently.
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Post#1769 » by BrianInPhilly » Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:18 pm

Rebounding isn’t much of a concern for me. It’s a different nba than the past - it’s very hard to be a top shot blocker and top rebounder. Look at Drummond or Sabonis as examples.

And even if you can do both like Gobert - often your rebounding stats are totally reliant on forwards next to you and scheme. His boards are down 2.4 rpg too, cause Randle is next to him. 3’s are out of control too which will lead to more long rebounds and even distribution of them compared to 20-30 years ago.
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Post#1770 » by Lalouie » Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:34 pm

wemby plays chess,,,,in the rain

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Post#1771 » by DwayneSchintzus » Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:42 pm

Wemby up to that mythical 36% three point shooting now on the season…a number i was told by the experts on this very board that he would never reach….
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Post#1772 » by Ballings7 » Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:53 pm

Lalouie wrote:wemby plays chess,,,,in the rain

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One of the coolest things will see from a sports star like Wembanyama. Love this.



Fun thing for the league, great for Wemby and the Spurs coverage. Will be a thing I bet people come back to routinely for illustrating Wembanyama as a figure in sports for other people.
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Post#1773 » by Ballings7 » Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:57 pm

BrianInPhilly wrote:If Wemby desires to be a 7 foot Curry, Spurs better have a plan to target a dominant paint scorer that can feast with the spacing. Once they do that they’ll contend for years to come. They have solid pieces now but none of Vassell, Castle, Champagne, etc are really able to blow by their guy consistently.


Wemby does a lot of his work in the paint and mid-range at times, as well, though. Curry also does and did in his prime.

If neither of them have more than 1-2 offensive strengths past the 3 pointer, they aren't great players.
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Post#1774 » by BrianInPhilly » Sun Dec 29, 2024 12:32 am

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BrianInPhilly wrote:If Wemby desires to be a 7 foot Curry, Spurs better have a plan to target a dominant paint scorer that can feast with the spacing. Once they do that they’ll contend for years to come. They have solid pieces now but none of Vassell, Castle, Champagne, etc are really able to blow by their guy consistently.


Wemby does a lot of his work in the paint and mid-range at times, as well, though. Curry also does and did in his prime.

If neither of them have more than 1-2 offensive strengths past the 3 pointer, they aren't great players.


Yes. I agree, not counter to anything I stated. My point is Wemby being a 7 foot Curry could be an amazing thing because he can pull the center away from the basket … which means they need to capitalize on that and get a D Fox, healthy Zion, etc etc that can get into the paint. They’re not maximizing their roster without that player right now and they must built the team with that in mind.
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Post#1775 » by DwayneSchintzus » Sun Dec 29, 2024 12:54 am

BrianInPhilly wrote:
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BrianInPhilly wrote:If Wemby desires to be a 7 foot Curry, Spurs better have a plan to target a dominant paint scorer that can feast with the spacing. Once they do that they’ll contend for years to come. They have solid pieces now but none of Vassell, Castle, Champagne, etc are really able to blow by their guy consistently.


Wemby does a lot of his work in the paint and mid-range at times, as well, though. Curry also does and did in his prime.

If neither of them have more than 1-2 offensive strengths past the 3 pointer, they aren't great players.


Yes. I agree, not counter to anything I stated. My point is Wemby being a 7 foot Curry could be an amazing thing because he can pull the center away from the basket … which means they need to capitalize on that and get a D Fox, healthy Zion, etc etc that can get into the paint. They’re not maximizing their roster without that player right now and they must built the team with that in mind.


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Post#1777 » by hardenASG13 » Sun Dec 29, 2024 11:06 pm

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That's getting pretty undeniably close to MVP numbers already. 25/10 and 4 blocks as DPOY, while having a chance to shoot 50/40/90. If they bring in a little help and improve their record he's basically there. And he's gotten better every month for just about his whole career so far. Likely isn't close to his peak yet either, there's so much he and the team can add.
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Post#1778 » by One_and_Done » Sun Dec 29, 2024 11:52 pm

blueNorange wrote:wemby absolutely loves nyc, it's gonna be lit when he becomes a knick in a few years.

I wouldn't hold my breath. Eurostars are notoriously loyal. They're raised in a culture where loyalty to your team is really important. Jokic, Dirk, Luka, Giannis, Manu, etc.

These guys basically won't leave as long as you want them. Other examples would be Tony Parker (took multiple discounts and only left when the Spurs told him he was too old and should come off the bench or retire), the Gasol brothers (neither wanted to leave Memphis), Peja (didn't want to leave Sac), Gobert (didn't want to leave Utah), etc. Nash, though Canadian, is in that mold and only left because Cuban wouldn't pay him a 6 year $65 million contract, which looked insane in hindsight.

The only counterpoint I can think of, ironically, is Porzingis demanding a trade from the Knicks; just because they were so dysfunctional at the time. I can't see the Spurs getting that way. The Knicks also supposedly refused to give his brother a job, but I can't see that being an issue with the Spurs either. It's common for most teams today.
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Post#1779 » by HotRocks34 » Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:37 am

In the last 5 minutes of the Wolves loss, Vic was 0/4 from three and 2/2 from two. Might be a lesson in that.

30+ FGA in two of the last three games. That level of usage may be unsustainable. San Antonio lost both games.

I think he's starting to vary his game a bit more, which IMO is good.
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Post#1780 » by bledredwine » Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:48 am

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