ECSF: | (3) Miami Heat vs (2) Toronto Raptors | TOR 2-1

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Series Predictions

Heat in 4
20
3%
Heat in 5
53
9%
Heat in 6
193
31%
Heat in 7
32
5%
Raptors in 4
33
5%
Raptors in 5
19
3%
Raptors in 6
143
23%
Raptors in 7
125
20%
 
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Post#1781 » by Duffman100 » Fri May 6, 2016 3:35 pm

JustLucky wrote:
Nebula1 wrote:Kyle Lowry NEEDS TO SQUARE UP on his shot. He shoots sideways and that will always lead to a poor percentage.

And Casey leaving Biyombo in for so long was crazy. Biyombo is terrible.


Toronto fought and got a win but what a stretch win for them. JV gave them a ton last night and was very impressive.


biyombos not terrible. just this series for some reason. he was getting like almost as much minutes as jv vs Indiana for a reason


I think Whiteside is just too big for him. BB struggles against really long, big players.
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Post#1782 » by thunderforce » Fri May 6, 2016 3:49 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
JustLucky wrote:
Nebula1 wrote:Kyle Lowry NEEDS TO SQUARE UP on his shot. He shoots sideways and that will always lead to a poor percentage.

And Casey leaving Biyombo in for so long was crazy. Biyombo is terrible.


Toronto fought and got a win but what a stretch win for them. JV gave them a ton last night and was very impressive.


biyombos not terrible. just this series for some reason. he was getting like almost as much minutes as jv vs Indiana for a reason


I think Whiteside is just too big for him. BB struggles against really long, big players.

Too bad Casey didn't play Bebe more in the reg season , his size and length would be big here .
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Post#1783 » by Nebula1 » Fri May 6, 2016 3:55 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
JustLucky wrote:
Nebula1 wrote:Kyle Lowry NEEDS TO SQUARE UP on his shot. He shoots sideways and that will always lead to a poor percentage.

And Casey leaving Biyombo in for so long was crazy. Biyombo is terrible.


Toronto fought and got a win but what a stretch win for them. JV gave them a ton last night and was very impressive.


biyombos not terrible. just this series for some reason. he was getting like almost as much minutes as jv vs Indiana for a reason


I think Whiteside is just too big for him. BB struggles against really long, big players.



Eh, I think he just sucks. He missed defensive rotations, had dumb turnovers, etc. and yet Casey stuck with him while it was obvious JV was the reason Toronto was leading.
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Post#1784 » by Duffman100 » Fri May 6, 2016 3:57 pm

Nebula1 wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:
JustLucky wrote:
biyombos not terrible. just this series for some reason. he was getting like almost as much minutes as jv vs Indiana for a reason


I think Whiteside is just too big for him. BB struggles against really long, big players.



Eh, I think he just sucks. He missed defensive rotations, had dumb turnovers, etc. and yet Casey stuck with him while it was obvious JV was the reason Toronto was leading.


I dont' think BB sucks, he's just similar to a streaky shooter. He either has it or he doesn't. He's been great for us this season..he's the perfect backup center.
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Post#1785 » by BloodNinja » Fri May 6, 2016 4:08 pm

That was some terrible defending from Whiteside in the 4th + OT. Scored on, beaten to rebounds and terrible P&R defense.

Very entertaining series overall despite blunders aplenty from both sides.
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Post#1786 » by Primetime23 » Fri May 6, 2016 4:12 pm

If Bosh was playing and the Player Formerly Known As Kyle Lowry was alive then then would have been a good series. As it stands now, both these teams suck.
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Post#1787 » by vdhawan17 » Fri May 6, 2016 4:15 pm

DROB27 wrote:Some of you raps fans are very cocky lol

I change my pick,Heat in 5


Read the raps board. 90 percent of the fans know this team is pretty trash. Gotta cheer for your team regardless though.


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Post#1788 » by Nebula1 » Fri May 6, 2016 4:44 pm

Duffman100 wrote:I dont' think BB sucks, he's just similar to a streaky shooter. He either has it or he doesn't. He's been great for us this season..he's the perfect backup center.


You might like him, but I wonder why Casey didn't yank the chain when he was making mistake after mistake in the 3Q. Toronto was up 10 and BB killed all the momentum and Miami tied the game. Casey also let Derozan sit for too long in a must win game.


Anyway, I'm enjoying the season and Toronto has a good atmosphere but from my view, a bad coach.

And Kyle Lowry needs to square up if he want's to shoot well. I don't know what he's doing shooting like that.
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Post#1789 » by Anticon » Fri May 6, 2016 5:02 pm

There's definitely some inept play happening, but the Raptors are up there in the playoffs in terms of keeping FGA's low.

Combined with their steals that makes for an effective defence.
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Post#1790 » by TheDavinciCHODE » Fri May 6, 2016 5:02 pm

Choker wrote:
TheDavinciCHODE wrote:I wish people would stop arguing about who is better and just took the time appreciate just how terrible Demar Derozan has been.

Can't we all just get along and cherish this history making performance? I mean, how many players in their best season, going for a max contract, would play this poorly and expose himself? He consistently ruins offensive sets, looks off teammates and takes bad contested jumpers that clang off of the rim.

He tried to give the game to Miami last night and almost did. I went from hoping the Knicks could pry him away to praying the Raps make a blunder and max him out. You can't just say it Paul George anymore. It's not that he's getting great looks and just not knocking them down. He can't get good looks against good defense and continues to think he's Kobe. Shooting more shots than anyone, shooting poorly from the field, and making JV clean up his offensive glass. Then, with the game in the balance, he chokes away two free throws. JV doesn't grab that board and put it back in, then we are talking about a very different game.

If the Raps had lost last night, Derozan would be getting burnt alive right now. He's and old school type guard, but one that can't even hit his midrange shots.


I did a break down of each of DeRozan's shot attempts, and I actually don't hate his shot selection as much as I initially did. He threw up like 6 abysmal eye raking shots, but everything else actually weren't bad looks, particularly the floater. The Heat are packing the paint against us, and the only good close shot that we were able to get were Jonas' offensive putbacks and DeRozan floaters off of pick and rolls. DeRozan was 3/7 on floaters by my count, but all of them but 1 were good looks because Whiteside refuses to leave the paint. It's actually a nice game 2 adjustment.

If DeRozan can manage to convert on his floaters it forces Miami to change the way they defend us.



Sure, a lot of his shots have been fine and they just aren't dropping for him, but in general his shots are coming at the expense of ball movement and better looks. For example, he might work his defender and end up with a mid-range two point shot, which, if he were an elite shotmaker, would be fine; however, he isn't, and he is even worse in these playoffs.

Getting the team standing around ball watching, maybe even getting a bit disgruntled, and overall effecting the game negatively. He took 24 shots 0 of which were 3's, and few came around the basket at all except those floaters. He is taking what the defense is giving him, not getting what he wants.

The real issue I have with him is that he jacked up 24 shots, even when it wasn't working. Even though Miami clearly wanted to live with giving him that, and he hasn't really adjusted. JV and Carroll both had good games, and his shots got in the way of theirs. JV got almost no touches aside from his putbacks, yet the few post touches he got were almost all conversions.

The thing about mid range two's is thatyou, at best, end up shooting around 45%, and players need to balance that with the occasional 3 ball and the ability to get to the rim. Derozan hasn't added the 3 ball, continues to take some bad shots and then some decent shots, and can't get to the rim effectively against stout D.

I think going to him for the majority of the Raps offense is hurting them.
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Post#1791 » by slothrop8 » Fri May 6, 2016 5:26 pm

TheDavinciCHODE wrote:
Choker wrote:
TheDavinciCHODE wrote:I wish people would stop arguing about who is better and just took the time appreciate just how terrible Demar Derozan has been.

Can't we all just get along and cherish this history making performance? I mean, how many players in their best season, going for a max contract, would play this poorly and expose himself? He consistently ruins offensive sets, looks off teammates and takes bad contested jumpers that clang off of the rim.

He tried to give the game to Miami last night and almost did. I went from hoping the Knicks could pry him away to praying the Raps make a blunder and max him out. You can't just say it Paul George anymore. It's not that he's getting great looks and just not knocking them down. He can't get good looks against good defense and continues to think he's Kobe. Shooting more shots than anyone, shooting poorly from the field, and making JV clean up his offensive glass. Then, with the game in the balance, he chokes away two free throws. JV doesn't grab that board and put it back in, then we are talking about a very different game.

If the Raps had lost last night, Derozan would be getting burnt alive right now. He's and old school type guard, but one that can't even hit his midrange shots.


I did a break down of each of DeRozan's shot attempts, and I actually don't hate his shot selection as much as I initially did. He threw up like 6 abysmal eye raking shots, but everything else actually weren't bad looks, particularly the floater. The Heat are packing the paint against us, and the only good close shot that we were able to get were Jonas' offensive putbacks and DeRozan floaters off of pick and rolls. DeRozan was 3/7 on floaters by my count, but all of them but 1 were good looks because Whiteside refuses to leave the paint. It's actually a nice game 2 adjustment.

If DeRozan can manage to convert on his floaters it forces Miami to change the way they defend us.



Sure, a lot of his shots have been fine and they just aren't dropping for him, but in general his shots are coming at the expense of ball movement and better looks. For example, he might work his defender and end up with a mid-range two point shot, which, if he were an elite shotmaker, would be fine; however, he isn't, and he is even worse in these playoffs.

Getting the team standing around ball watching, maybe even getting a bit disgruntled, and overall effecting the game negatively. He took 24 shots 0 of which were 3's, and few came around the basket at all except those floaters. He is taking what the defense is giving him, not getting what he wants.

The real issue I have with him is that he jacked up 24 shots, even when it wasn't working. Even though Miami clearly wanted to live with giving him that, and he hasn't really adjusted. JV and Carroll both had good games, and his shots got in the way of theirs. JV got almost no touches aside from his putbacks, yet the few post touches he got were almost all conversions.

The thing about mid range two's is thatyou, at best, end up shooting around 45%, and players need to balance that with the occasional 3 ball and the ability to get to the rim. Derozan hasn't added the 3 ball, continues to take some bad shots and then some decent shots, and can't get to the rim effectively against stout D.

I think going to him for the majority of the Raps offense is hurting them.


Completely agree - DeRozan has been awful - the worst rotation player for the Raptors in the playoffs. Just a dismal performance,
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Post#1792 » by HeatFanSince87 » Fri May 6, 2016 5:52 pm

Raps fans are funny, fake cocky yet really know their team can implode at any min.

Raps fan saying Heat could be down 0-2 based on 1-2 shots? Same be said about the raps and both games were in Tor. Miami is missing their best player, and still right there, on the verge of the ECFs.

Miami is more then the Lebron years, sorry rap fans. Hence why were 3 games away from the conference finals without him and Bosh. How many playoff series, games did CLE play in 4 years without Lebron? How many playoff games did they play in?

Miami has been relevant in the NBA since 95.
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Post#1793 » by smallgains » Fri May 6, 2016 5:57 pm

HeatFanSince87 wrote:Raps fans are funny, fake cocky yet really know their team can implode at any min.

Raps fan saying Heat could be down 0-2 based on 1-2 shots? Same be said about the raps and both games were in Tor. Miami is missing their best player, and still right there, on the verge of the ECFs.

Miami is more then the Lebron years, sorry rap fans. Hence why were 3 games away from the conference finals without him and Bosh. How many playoff series, games did CLE play in 4 years without Lebron? How many playoff games did they play in?

Miami has been relevant in the NBA since 95.


You are more defensive than the Heat.......get it... defensive....ahem.

Yeah, we hear you. Blah, blah, blah, both teams suck.
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Post#1794 » by DonMega » Fri May 6, 2016 6:03 pm

Both teams with awful basketball, not even looking forward to next game due to how boring and ugly the matches are.
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Post#1795 » by Kid Vicious » Fri May 6, 2016 6:04 pm

For the Raptors, this series is about pride.

If DD and Lowry can swallow theirs and realize JV is the key, the Raptors will win. If they want to continue being chuckers because they want the glory, they're done in 6.
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Post#1796 » by DonMega » Fri May 6, 2016 6:05 pm

Kid Vicious wrote:For the Raptors, this series is about pride.

If DD and Lowry can swallow theirs and realize JV is the key, the Raptors will win. If they want to continue being chuckers because they want the glory, they're done in 6.


Will never happen, our coach hates JV. Last night demar said they didn't even run 1 play for JV in game 2. Pathetic
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Post#1797 » by SwaggyB » Fri May 6, 2016 6:51 pm

HeatFanSince87 wrote:Raps fans are funny, fake cocky yet really know their team can implode at any min.

Raps fan saying Heat could be down 0-2 based on 1-2 shots? Same be said about the raps and both games were in Tor. Miami is missing their best player, and still right there, on the verge of the ECFs.

Miami is more then the Lebron years, sorry rap fans. Hence why were 3 games away from the conference finals without him and Bosh. How many playoff series, games did CLE play in 4 years without Lebron? How many playoff games did they play in?

Miami has been relevant in the NBA since 95.


We're missing our best player too. I have no idea who that guy parading around in Lowry's jersey is.
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Post#1798 » by 1xkayz » Fri May 6, 2016 7:03 pm

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Post#1799 » by tria » Fri May 6, 2016 7:14 pm

So we can agree. Both teams playing in conference semifinals, 2nd and 3rd seed, are actually trash teams riddled with injuries and problems from their past.
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Post#1800 » by Sisqo » Fri May 6, 2016 7:32 pm

If I read this threat and knew nothing about basketball and what the playoff seed was I would assume both Toronto and Miami were out of the playoffs and in the lottery.. Does anyone see anything wrong with that? Honestly how do you go through life being so negative and depressing?

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