Kyrie Trade Discussion Continued

[CelticsLV]

actually the odds of him leaving Cleveland again are far lower than leaving for another team considering the hate he received for leaving the first time, and the subsequent love he received for going back 'home'. The only way he leaves is if somehow the Cavs lose Kyrie for nothing or they end up as a team that won't be competing for the ECF, which is extremely unlikely.

Cavs are like 75%+ favorites to retain Lebron.

Where is he going that gives him a better chance of winning anyway if he leaves?

How accurate is that 75% and what data is this based off of?

It's an educated guess using logic- not confirmation bias like your assumption.

Sorry but what you said is nothing but delusions instead of an educated guess. You really think LeBron cares so much about some loud mouthes on social media? You talk like he couldn't walk outside without being attacked or shamed by the fans. Silliest argument ever. He came back, got the title for Cleveland and now he can explore other opportunities with no pressure. Cavs are in cap hell with close to no means of improving. They've maxed out their ceiling by hopelessly losing to the Warriors. LeBron can choose to continue doing that or he can choose some other team with an opportuinity to construct something new and better than what's currently in Cleveland. Teaming up with George would already be a great start. George can be that versatile 2-way star while Irving and Love are really bad options against the Warriors.

[TommyPoints]

Obviously Lebron isn't going to stick around unless he feels they can win. I'd guess he would like to be able to stay for obvious reasons. If Kyrie leaves and they do not improve he isn't going to waste any of his remaining career there though. I can't see him being that loyal. If he was he would have already committed to stay which may have changed this Kyrie situation to begin with.

[OsuCavsfan103]

The only one controlling the narrative is Lebron, he is a team assembling ring chaser, he doesnt earn them the old fashioned way.

I can understand where you're coming from but you're far overboard with it.
Answer honestly, didn't Lebron earn his first free agency after spending the first seven years of his career in Cleveland? Thats longer than most players spend in the league, let alone with one team.
Do you think KD, or PG or anyone else would have stayed with that Cleveland team given the best Danny Ferry could do was Larry Hughes, a way over the hill Shaq, a way, way past his prime Ben Wallace, a decrepit Wally Sczerbiak.. Donyell Marshall.. these are the good players... don't get me started on the bad. Looking back, there's not a star in the league who would have stayed there.

The only thing he did wrong there was not just inform the Cavs he wouldn't be back. The Cleveland fans took it hard as he was the local hero and all they had to cheer about. Why are you so salty about it? I really doubt you beat up KD, PG, Shaq, Garnett or anyone else who ever left a team in free agency the same way.

Because he is a Kobe fan that doesn't like to admit LeBron passed Kobe easily. A lot of Laker fans are like that, especially this guy and "Rings Don't Lie" It's all they do is criticize him because they don't want to admit LeBron has risen to the 2nd best player ever.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Which is the better package?

Dragic, Adebayo, Miami 2020 Pick Swap

or

Bledsoe, Warren, Miami 2017 Pick (top 7 protected)

[baldur]

Which is the better package?

Dragic, Adebayo, Miami 2020 Pick Swap

or

Bledsoe, Warren, Miami 2017 Pick (top 7 protected)

the former. dragic is better than bledsoe. adebayo is promising. and you meant 2018 miami pick. since miami is very likely to make the playoffs that pick will be a non-lottery pick. 2020 pick swap can be more valuable.

[bigpimpatl]

Which is the better package?

Dragic, Adebayo, Miami 2020 Pick Swap

or

Bledsoe, Warren, Miami 2017 Pick (top 7 protected)

Phx. Bledsoe and warren can help Lebron now, the pick will be like 20ish it's ok.

Heat need to include more IMO, but I like Dragic playing off Lebron more than Bledsoe. Bledsoe is more dynamic a player but Dragic is such a deadly shooter that you can't ignore. Can also lead the team when Lebron rests. It's close I'd consider their salaries and contracts too.

[phraoh]

Miami is better though not enough, but I consider Warren useless and Dragic is a better fit than Bledsoe. Warren's contract is up this year, and Cavs don't need to add MORE to their payroll.

[Baseline Runner]

Dragic is very good at keying the fast break as he goes coast to coast in a straight line with the ball. This will work well with Lebron who is still perhaps the fastest end to end player in the league and he can pass or dunk on the fast break as good as anyone. Kyrie is not the ideal point guard because he dribbles too much and he is not very fast to begin with.

If we can get Dragic and some young talent/picks I'm all for it. Miami should jump at that deal, they get a young superstar for an aging Dragic and some minor assets.

[ProfessorJM]

Which is the better package?

Dragic, Adebayo, Miami 2020 Pick Swap

or

Bledsoe, Warren, Miami 2017 Pick (top 7 protected)

I like the former a little better, but I'm not sure Cleveland does that trade. If the draft pick was a little more promising, I think they would consider it.

[gino_giode]

So if the recent stories about Kyrie not talking to his teammates for consecutive days...in the PLAYOFFS no less is true, then I don't see any other way but to ship him out.

First off, how is that even possible in a team sport like basketball?

I think Kyrie was having some bad games in the opening series, especially when he and Love were benched and LeBron and scrubs made a crazy comeback win. Maybe this story is when it happened.

The playoffs are not a time for players to get moody and isolate themselves from teammates. It tells me he's not on the same page of the bigger goal. At the same time, it's kind of shocking none of the vets took it upon themselves to help Kyrie out of that funk. Kind of hints that Kyrie might not be well liked on the team. Perhaps because he's such an iso centric player and doesn't do much to improve his teammates

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726783-kyrie-irving-reportedly-went-consecutive-days-without-talking-to-cavs-teammates

[BlazersBroncos]

Ya, Dragic seems like a tremendous fit in CLE next to LBJ.

[Dupp]

So if the recent stories about Kyrie not talking to his teammates for consecutive days...in the PLAYOFFS no less is true, then I don't see any other way but to ship him out.

First off, how is that even possible in a team sport like basketball?

I think Kyrie was having some bad games in the opening series, especially when he and Love were benched and LeBron and scrubs made a crazy comeback win. Maybe this story is when it happened.

The playoffs are not a time for players to get moody and isolate themselves from teammates. It tells me he's not on the same page of the bigger goal. At the same time, it's kind of shocking none of the vets took it upon themselves to help Kyrie out of that funk. Kind of hints that Kyrie might not be well liked on the team. Perhaps because he's such an iso centric player and doesn't do much to improve his teammates

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726783-kyrie-irving-reportedly-went-consecutive-days-without-talking-to-cavs-teammates

None of this is true though. Guess teams just trying to kill his trade value as much as possible

[INKtastic]

So if the recent stories about Kyrie not talking to his teammates for consecutive days...in the PLAYOFFS no less is true, then I don't see any other way but to ship him out.

First off, how is that even possible in a team sport like basketball?

I think Kyrie was having some bad games in the opening series, especially when he and Love were benched and LeBron and scrubs made a crazy comeback win. Maybe this story is when it happened.

The playoffs are not a time for players to get moody and isolate themselves from teammates. It tells me he's not on the same page of the bigger goal. At the same time, it's kind of shocking none of the vets took it upon themselves to help Kyrie out of that funk. Kind of hints that Kyrie might not be well liked on the team. Perhaps because he's such an iso centric player and doesn't do much to improve his teammates

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2726783-kyrie-irving-reportedly-went-consecutive-days-without-talking-to-cavs-teammates

Bleacher Report attributed the quote to the wrong person. James Jones never said what he's quoted as saying. Instead it was a reporter, the same reporter who was also 100% wrong earlier this offseason when he said LeBron James wasn't recruiting anyone.

[Dupp]

Anything from bleacher report isn't worth reading let alone believing.

What's with laker fans thinking bron will go there? He doesn't want to lose anymore it's win or nothing at this stage of his career.

Every year they are getting the big free agents apparently but in reality it's mozgov and deng that end up there

[MotownMadness]

Dragic is nice and will help in the now but he is 30 already so what else would Miami add to it? Phoenix has their picks tied up at the moment, correct?

[magnumt]

Dragic is nice and will help in the now but he is 30 already so what else would Miami add to it? Phoenix has their picks tied up at the moment, correct?

Not too mention Winslow makes Shandon Anderson look like Ray Allen.

--Mags

[magnumt]

Anything from bleacher report isn't worth reading let alone believing.

What's with laker fans thinking bron will go there? He doesn't want to lose anymore it's win or nothing at this stage of his career.

Every year they are getting the big free agents apparently but in reality it's mozgov and deng that end up there

Cleveland isn't exactly lining them up either for FAs, even WITH Lebron. It's so far been Vet Minimum or guys who couldn't get bigger deals elsewhere.

Also, even WITH Lebron it's only been ONE ring so far, with HEAVY rumors of him leaving next year.

Granted BR isn't a breaking news type place, but they do well as a rumor mill and news aggregator.

--Mags

[INKtastic]

Anything from bleacher report isn't worth reading let alone believing.

What's with laker fans thinking bron will go there? He doesn't want to lose anymore it's win or nothing at this stage of his career.

Every year they are getting the big free agents apparently but in reality it's mozgov and deng that end up there

Cleveland isn't exactly lining them up either for FAs, even WITH Lebron. It's so far been Vet Minimum or guys who couldn't get bigger deals elsewhere.

Also, even WITH Lebron it's only been ONE ring so far, with HEAVY rumors of him leaving next year.

Granted BR isn't a breaking news type place, but they do well as a rumor mill and news aggregator.

--Mags

It's pretty hard to get more than vet minimum guys when you have the highest payroll in the league every year. And you make going 1-2 against what is probably the best team ever assembled sound like a bad thing.

And this time BR totally misattributed a quote when they included a link to the accurate source of the quote. They copied and pasted a quote and somehow still managed to put words in James Jones' mouth that he never actually said.

[2Mas]

Dragic is nice and will help in the now but he is 30 already so what else would Miami add to it? Phoenix has their picks tied up at the moment, correct?

Not too mention Winslow makes Shandon Anderson look like Ray Allen.

--Mags

Ahhhhhh.... A Shandon Anderson reference. How he managed a 10 year career is mind boggling.

Loved those early 00's knicks. If only more players had that Spree aggression to the rim. Westbrook-esq

[magnumt]

Anything from bleacher report isn't worth reading let alone believing.

What's with laker fans thinking bron will go there? He doesn't want to lose anymore it's win or nothing at this stage of his career.

Every year they are getting the big free agents apparently but in reality it's mozgov and deng that end up there

Cleveland isn't exactly lining them up either for FAs, even WITH Lebron. It's so far been Vet Minimum or guys who couldn't get bigger deals elsewhere.

Also, even WITH Lebron it's only been ONE ring so far, with HEAVY rumors of him leaving next year.

Granted BR isn't a breaking news type place, but they do well as a rumor mill and news aggregator.

--Mags

It's pretty hard to get more than vet minimum guys when you have the highest payroll in the league every year.

Cap Management isn't a penalty. It's a plus.

The Lakers also had two of the worst contracts in the League but were able to move one of them.

Post Kyrie trade things will likely be better. But in an effort to appease Lebron they also mortgaged a lot of picks (from both Round).

I'm not advocating for either team. But, I would NOT count out the Lakers now from ANYTHING now that they have a new more competent management in place.

They have a crap load of cap space, promising (to a degree) youth, and a charismatic and WELL connected Front Office now.

I also think Houston is an option for Lebron if he chooses to leave in 2018 too.

--Mags