ESPN - "Chink In The Armor"

[J-Rich-]

Jeremy Lin is a bit small in the low-post.

This guy must know from experience when he was sucking on it

[Kaner]

Hey idiots...Lin is Chinese...the term chink in the armor might not be racist but that was used in the headline and that idiot sports center guy used it too talking about Lin who like I said is Chinese...ya f ucking idiots need to know this was used as a racial insult secretly cause ESPN know nothing would happen to them cause they'd just use an excuse that the term wasn't racist

Idiots? Dude, he's Taiwanese...

[J-Rich-]

Hey idiots...Lin is Chinese...the term chink in the armor might not be racist but that was used in the headline and that idiot sports center guy used it too talking about Lin who like I said is Chinese...ya f ucking idiots need to know this was used as a racial insult secretly cause ESPN know nothing would happen to them cause they'd just use an excuse that the term wasn't racist

Idiots? Dude, he's Taiwanese...

His ethnicity is Chinese and is born in America. That makes him Chinese American.

[J-Rich-]

I am chinese and I'm not even offended. I hear chinese calling each others chinks all the time anyway. Seriously, its not as offensive as the n word.

You're not a true Chinese or Asian. You're one of those white washed Asians who would do anything to please non Asians just like Ken Jeong.

[WorldOfMing]

I am chinese and I'm not even offended. I hear chinese calling each others chinks all the time anyway. Seriously, its not as offensive as the n word.

You're not a true Chinese or Asian. You're one of those white washed Asians who would do anything to please non Asians just like Ken Jeong.

I'm sure a "true" Chinese or Asian wouldn't give 2 **** about the word. Chinese are actually some of the most racist people around.

[J-Rich-]

I am chinese and I'm not even offended. I hear chinese calling each others chinks all the time anyway. Seriously, its not as offensive as the n word.

You're not a true Chinese or Asian. You're one of those white washed Asians who would do anything to please non Asians just like Ken Jeong.

I'm sure a "true" Chinese or Asian wouldn't give 2 **** about the word. Chinese are actually some of the most racist people around.

Some of the most racist people around? You got proof that a race is more racist than other races? if you don't then stop talking out of your ass cause of some bad experience you had.

[PToastMan]

This is inappropriate and horrible. The person that did this needs to be fired and you morons who defend this need to grow up and learn how to live in functional society.

It isn't okay. Period. It has nothing to do with "sensitivity" or "political correctness"

I repeat, if you think this is okay, you are a bad human being.

[Sky_Knicks]

How has this not been locked yet ? A thread about how much someone loves Kobe gets locked in 5 minutes. A thread in which there are at lease 100 insults and racial slurs mixed in with a dose of bigotry and grade school level jokes goes on for days lol. Oh realgm....you never cease to amaze me.

[DonaldSanders]

at 29 I think I grew out of liking to argue with people for the sake of argument (like a lot of people in this thread) and instead I like to concentrate on jokes that anyone can find funny.

These are the worst jokes in my opinion. Non-offensive, easy to understand, clean... they're the "Disney" of jokes.

A good joke SHOULD be offensive. It should challenge the audience's intellect and take people out of their comfort zone. In truth, there's nothing more pathetic for a comedian to do than subvert himself for the sake of having more people like him.

I mean, we all saw what happened to Bill Cosby.

But look at some of the other guys... Richard Pryor, Sam Kinison, Robert Schimmel, Dave Chapelle, that Japanese comedian I like but can't name because they all look alike... you know, the one with slanty eyes...

All of these comics are brilliant BECAUSE they don't "play it safe". They're willing to take chances and are all the more hilarious for it.

You are correct that the above comics were successful because of the 'chances' they took, but when you realize that it was only really taking a chance in the late 70s/early 80s it became the *easiest* way to get to be famous. It is harder and takes more skill to make 'clean' jokes. Also, just because we pass on racist jokes doesn't mean our jokes have to be disney, that's incredibly narrow-minded. Nobody said dirty jokes were out!

Racist jokes rely on "shock" value, the "I can't believe he just said that." It's cheap and easy.

You are correct that if you want to be succesful as a comic, making racist jokes is clearly an effective and profitable path. But I don't call something the best just because it is the most popular. Much of the success of racist jokes is shock and confronting uncomfortable situations, and less actual humor. Have you ever seen Chris Rock's movies? Without his crutch the humor isn't very good.

You are downright crazy that a good joke is offensive. It sounds like you are more into shock than humor. I used to have fun with the shock stuff but when you realize it does bother other people and that there is plenty of stuff to laugh at, why not just focus on the stuff that is funny but non-offensive? It's not that hard. Why do people need racist humor so badly that it's OK for others to be offended/feel badly? Even if I reason out that they are being silly or "over sensitive" in the end I'd simply rather another human being didn't have to be hurt for me to laugh. There's plenty of other stuff to laugh about.

Good jokes have to be offensive? C'mon, just look at a thread like the BBall great moment Photoshop thread, there are a ton of funny jokes in there that aren't racist. I think the hardest I've ever laughed from the internet was in a 49erwebzone thread about Kwame Harris, none of it was offensive.

[thamadkant]

Lmao at some Of the quotes here.

First off just want to say something about feeling superior over others..

The only People I feel more superior than me are those who spend a lot of their time and money helping others and do good in the world regardless of their race.. To me those people have transcended the corrupt, greed driven capitalists society and are much better people for it... Maybe one day I can be like them, but other than that if you look down on other People merely because of your race and background then I think your doing it wrong... And you are part of the big problem on this planet.

[CompanyofWolves]

It's absolutely racist and it's a big deal. In this country (and sports more so) if it isn't racist against african americans it's automatically not as big of a deal. I've gotten into verbal arguments over whether or not other racial epithets were as bad as the "N" word. Some people honestly believe it's the worst.

Newsflash, all things that demean another person based on their race, gender etc. are of the same atrocious strength and impact.

Anyone remember this debacle?

"I don't think [McNabb's] been that good from the get-go. I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there's a little hope invested in McNabb and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve. The defense carried this team."[12] For example, a sportswriter construed the comment as racist against himself and other sportswriters.[13] Another sports analyst wrote Limbaugh's viewpoint was shared by "many football fans and analysts" and "it is ...absurd to say that the sports media haven't overrated Donovan McNabb because he's black."[14]

Remember how quickly he was removed from MNF? Yet we have people saying the same thing essentially about Jeremy Lin and it's just a-ok.

People still laud noted racists like Floyd Mayweather and it's just honestly reprehensible that people think this is fine.

[BSM]

as a white man, I'm pretty sure we already consider ourselves superior to other race but now days we express it through ways that only we could understand, so it never becomes an issue any more.

We used to be pretty bad at it though.

as a white man, you're opinion makes me sick. I don't see my self superior to anyone. You are responsible for your own destiny, and if you choose to sit here and see everyone else "eye to skin" instead of "eye to eye"...than I feel very sorry for you.

This response is example of evolved white man technique, still feels superior, but only expresses it in mysterious ways only other white men could comprehend, well done sir.

[mankind2706]

You are correct that the above comics were successful because of the 'chances' they took, but when you realize that it was only really taking a chance in the late 70s/early 80s it became the *easiest* way to get to be famous. It is harder and takes more skill to make 'clean' jokes. Also, just because we pass on racist jokes doesn't mean our jokes have to be disney, that's incredibly narrow-minded. Nobody said dirty jokes were out!

Why does it take far more skill to make clean jokes? Unless you're suggesting that clean jokes are innately unfunny and therefore take more work to make even passably entertaining.

Racist jokes rely on "shock" value, the "I can't believe he just said that." It's cheap and easy.

Just because you're shocked by something doesn't make it a novelty. Again, jokes which "break the rules" (as an extension of thoughts that break the rules) challenge the preconceived notions of the audience. For better or worse; it doesn't condescend.[/quote]

You are correct that if you want to be succesful as a comic, making racist jokes is clearly an effective and profitable path. But I don't call something the best just because it is the most popular. Much of the success of racist jokes is shock and confronting uncomfortable situations, and less actual humor. Have you ever seen Chris Rock's movies? Without his crutch the humor isn't very good.

You're absolutely right. Chris Rock's movies are terrible.

His standup, on the other hand, was quite entertaining. That's the difference I'm talking about in the 1st place. The "clean" comedy types are looking for PG fun-filled entertainment for the whole family. Approved by the MPAA... approved by special interest groups... It's non-acerbic, safe humor with no potential repercussions. Same with Eddie Murphy. How many consecutive worthless films did he have? But go back and watch "Raw" or "Delirious", and you're looking at the sort of comedy that would set the tone for the next few decades.

You are downright crazy that a good joke is offensive. It sounds like you are more into shock than humor. I used to have fun with the shock stuff but when you realize it does bother other people and that there is plenty of stuff to laugh at, why not just focus on the stuff that is funny but non-offensive?

Again with the "I'm so mature" angle. Here's the truth...

Comedy is steeped in pain. The Three Stooges, Looney Tunes, Benny Hill... all purveyors or physical comedy involving violence. All some of the greatest comedic geniuses of all time.

Not "classical" enough for you? Look at Shakespeare, Aeschylus, or Oscar Wilde. All esteemed playwrights, all considered among the best of the best, all bawdy little monkeys taking delight in prat falls and copulation.

Now let's list successful "clean" comedians...

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... yeah.

It's not that hard. Why do people need racist humor so badly that it's OK for others to be offended/feel badly? Even if I reason out that they are being silly or "over sensitive" in the end I'd simply rather another human being didn't have to be hurt for me to laugh. There's plenty of other stuff to laugh about.

Now we come to the "I'm so emotional" portion of our program boys and girls!

"Gosh folks! Wouldn't it be swell if we could be nice to one another forever? Then there'd be no disagreement, questions or dissent!"

Sounds kinda hippie to me...

Good jokes have to be offensive? C'mon, just look at a thread like the BBall great moment Photoshop thread, there are a ton of funny jokes in there that aren't racist. I think the hardest I've ever laughed from the internet was in a 49erwebzone thread about Kwame Harris, none of it was offensive.

Unless you're Kwame Harris...

I leave you with a final joke...

Q: How do you stop 5 black guys from raping a white chick?
A: You don't. You're white, stupid. Run and get a video camera.

[BSM]

It's not a joke if it isn't funny.