OJ Mayo 40 points 8 rebounds 3 assists against James Harden

[monopolyman]

20 games

Not worth debating a child

[spearsy23]

Shearsy, i stopped reading after the first sentence, I forgot everyone on this board played college ball at one point or another (albiet I was a walk on, and only for two years, but at a D I school)

Yes...you are being a fan looking at the games through a fan's lens. Some posters are very knowledable actually, but many are wrong about simple elementary b ball knowledge. Mayo vs Harden is a hell of a lot closer than many on here are willing to admit, and the fact that Mayo is more efficient on the offensive end is totally ignored on this board...something fans tend to do

i think the funniest thing said was when someone said "actually, McGrady is> Dirk"

just goes to show the extent of b ball knowledge most posters have on this board, I am not even going to take my time to debate such a ludicrous statement

Lol couldn't respond to any of my points, etc.

[spearsy23]

Mayo is more efficient through 20 games. Harden has been more efficient than Mayo throughout their career.

Do you understand sample size?

Yawn....you are reaching back in the past 4 years to find anything at all to support your argument

This is a complete farce. Nobody is saying '4 years ago harden was better' the truth is harden has been better every day throughout the last 4 years and even through the last twenty games it's debatable who has been better with harden still doing more but mayo scoring at an incredible rate.

[dyukcs]

Harden gets in the lane a bit more more but shots a god awful 30% in the paint while Mayo averages well over 40%

This bit can't be true. According to hoopdata he's hitting 61% of his shots by the rim and attempting 6.6 shots there a game. He's hitting 47.2% of his two pointers, and that's including his long twos outside of the paint. His volume and %age at the rim is elite for guards.

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=James%20Harden

[monopolyman]

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player ... 3;season=r

^^…there you go

And shearsy, your not even worth debating, I am typing on a phone and you are not capable.of being objecctive, a waste of time

Big difference between in the paint and at the rim

[spearsy23]

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#James-Harden|201935;year=201213;season=r

^^…there you go

And shearsy, your not even worth debating, I am typing on a phone and you are not capable.of being objecctive, a waste of time

at this point it's laughable. But here, since I'm not worth it, respond to tsherkin.

[dyukcs]

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#James-Harden|201935;year=201213;season=r

^^…there you go

And shearsy, your not even worth debating, I am typing on a phone and you are not capable.of being objecctive, a waste of time

Big difference between in the paint and at the rim

Your link excludes the restricted area, so that's basically only floaters. Harden's only taken 20 shots from that zone by that definition all year.

[Guy986]

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#James-Harden|201935;year=201213;season=r

^^…there you go

And shearsy, your not even worth debating, I am typing on a phone and you are not capable.of being objecctive, a waste of time

at this point it's laughable. But here, since I'm not worth it, respond to tsherkin.

Give him credit. He's a good troll. Almost as good as prime Liloj.

[kakaman]

Shut up fools, I need to hear lilojmayo's assessment of based mayo's game tonight

[spearsy23]

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#James-Harden|201935;year=201213;season=r

^^…there you go

And shearsy, your not even worth debating, I am typing on a phone and you are not capable.of being objecctive, a waste of time

Big difference between in the paint and at the rim

Ignores the fact that harden gets to the rim WAY more and finishes.

[monopolyman]

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#James-Harden|201935;year=201213;season=r

^^…there you go

And shearsy, your not even worth debating, I am typing on a phone and you are not capable.of being objecctive, a waste of time

at this point it's laughable. But here, since I'm not worth it, respond to tsherkin.

Not typing 500 words + on a smart phone...when i get my computer back i will be glad to, no one has yet responded to what I had time to respond to.yet anyway....because they can't, Mayo is a more efficient offensive player right now, period.

[monopolyman]

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#James-Harden|201935;year=201213;season=r

^^…there you go

And shearsy, your not even worth debating, I am typing on a phone and you are not capable.of being objecctive, a waste of time

Big difference between in the paint and at the rim

Your link excludes the restricted area, so that's basically only floaters. Harden's only taken 20 shots from that zone by that definition all year.

no it doesn't check.agai.... 56% at rim

[monopolyman]

trolls don't back up their points with stats...but I must be one hell of a troll to carry you guys to 13 pages

[spearsy23]

Will respond to Tsherkin's post when I have time. After skimming it, here are a few.things that are flat out wrong.

"Harden IS the offense, mayo is a role player".....really? there is less than a 3% difference in their user ratings, and Harden is at 28%...

ignores assists and created opportunities for other players.

Mayo is assisted on nearly 60% of his shots, yet failed to mention he averages 1.4 points on iso situations, top 5 in the league and well above Harden

Sample size is important, you fail to grasp that. Stats are used contextually.

Harden gets in the lane a bit more more but shots a god awful 30% in the paint while Mayo averages well over 40%

harden gets to the rim and finishes three times as much as mayo

Harden actually usess more possesions to get to the same number of points as Mayo

Only if you ignore assists.

Will respond to all later....but food for thought....I could give you a litany of all of Harden's faults as well and make him look terrible, that's not very difficult, just time consuming.

Anyway, as I have been saying, Mayo.is definitely the.more efficient offensive player and IMO more complete

scoring wise he has been more efficient... Over twenty games. That's the only thing he's done better. How is scoring only making him more complete?

[dyukcs]

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#James-Harden|201935;year=201213;season=r

^^…there you go

And shearsy, your not even worth debating, I am typing on a phone and you are not capable.of being objecctive, a waste of time

Big difference between in the paint and at the rim

Your link excludes the restricted area, so that's basically only floaters. Harden's only taken 20 shots from that zone by that definition all year.

no it doesn't check.agai.... 56% at rim

In the post I quoted you said 30%, and that's only looking at points in the paint with points at the rim excluded. I'll take the nba.com 56% over hoopdata, but he still takes double the attempts there as Mayo.

Mayo has a better pull up and floater, but Harden gets all the way to the rim more than twice as often and finishes better.

[spearsy23]

Your link excludes the restricted area, so that's basically only floaters. Harden's only taken 20 shots from that zone by that definition all year.

no it doesn't check.agai.... 56% at rim

In the post I quoted you said 30%, and that's only looking at points in the paint with points at the rim excluded. I'll take the nba.com 56% over hoopdata, but he still takes double the attempts there as Mayo.

Mayo has a better pull up and floater, but Harden gets all the way to the rim more than twice as often and finishes better.

Yeah, total numbers are harden at 52.6% on 154 shots. Mayo 51.7 on 89

[DoubleVision]

After seeing Lin without Harden, I'd bet Houston would be better served with Mayo than Hardrn. Mayo would fit a lot better with Lin than Harden does.

[monopolyman]

Shearsy...your assist argument is a good one, he averages 5.5 a game...to Mayo's 4, though he plays nearly 5 mpg more

However, when they do shoot it, Mayo's %'s are more indeed more efficient, even when his 3pt % drops

Whenever Mayo trumps Harden, you guys simply.say sample size...which i have responded to a number of times, yet i have yet to recieve a reply. It takes away from your credibility as an objective observer, other than that...good post

[dyukcs]

Mayo is assisted on nearly 60% of his shots, yet failed to mention he averages 1.4 points on iso situations, top 5 in the league and well above Harden

Sample size is important, you fail to grasp that. Stats are used contextually.

Just picking at that one point, Mayo has been very good in iso's. I don't know how to get the synergy numbers for previous years, but this year he's been very effective as a dump off guy in broken possessions. He's been less effective with the ball in other roles, but he does have that going for him. Hasn't he at least had that his whole career?

[spearsy23]

Shearsy...your assist argument is a good one, he averages 5.5 a game...to Mayo's 4, though he plays nearly 5 mpg more

harden's assist% is also 7 points higher.

However, when they do shoot it, Mayo's %'s are more indeed more efficient, even when his 3pt % drops

I've made that concession, he's scoring more effectively. You claimed he's more complete and your stats don't back it up.

Whenever Mayo trumps Harden, you guys simply.say sample size...which i have responded to a number of times, yet i have yet to recieve a reply. It takes away from your credibility as an objective observer, other than that...good post

Sample size IS objectively important. Everyone claiming it is is not a harden homer.