Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic?

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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#181 » by JDs_loot » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:09 am

therealbig3 wrote:
JDs_loot wrote:The Knicks, Yankees, Rangers, Islanders, Giants, Jets are all more significant then the Nyets, and it's always going to be that way. Deal with it.


Sure, but you keep trying to lump in everyone else with the Yankees, and that's just not the case. NY is a Yankees town, first and foremost. Everyone else is a second class citizen in NY, really. In which case the Nets are third class citizens.

And that's only the case for now because the Nets just showed up. GIve them 60-70 years to be a constant presence in NY like the Knicks have been, and they'd be second class citizens too, with a comparable fanbase.

60-70 years maybe the nets will be relevant, maybe.
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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#182 » by Rich Rane » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:11 am

JDs_loot wrote:We take pleasure in your suffering.


:-?

JDs_loot wrote:The nets mean **** to NY.

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JDs_loot wrote:You guys have an inferiority complex. fact.

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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#183 » by daschysta » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:14 am

daschysta wrote:New York is now 7-9 over their last 16 games if I've counted correctly.

Felton isn't the difference between that and a contending team.

Brooklyn is 12-4 during that period.

Indiana is 12-4 during that period.

Chicago is 10-6 during that period.

New York currently rests one half of a game above Indiana, one game above Brooklyn and either 1.5 or 2.5 games ahead of Chicago pending the result of their current match against the Lakers.

It's very possible, and perhaps even a safe bet considering the way all four teams are trending, that New York will be 5th in the East by the time All-Star break comes.

Raymond Felton isn't the difference between a contender and a below average squad. During their hot start their role players were abnormally hot from 3, unsustainable to be sure. Adding to that teams now are letting Melo get his; if he can, on his own and just shutting down their spot up shooters. New York can't win games simply by having Melo play hero-ball, but Woodson seems unable to adjust. Teams have figured New York out,and now Melo needs to play like a god in order for them to really beat a good team, which he can do sometimes, but not often enough to have a great record.

New York has deeper problems than just missing Felton.


Update! Now New York is just 1.5 games ahead of Chicago. They need to worry about losing home court advantage, let alone their division.
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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#184 » by Elj4y » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:15 am

Rich Rane wrote:
JDs_loot wrote:We take pleasure in your suffering.


:-?

JDs_loot wrote:The nets mean **** to NY.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1224155&start=150#p34406074

JDs_loot wrote:You guys have an inferiority complex. fact.

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Basketball gives some people meaning, I suppose.
You either retire a champion, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Raptor.
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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#185 » by 624 » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:22 am

So I guess the fact that the Knicks have more fans mean that they will not be caught in the Atlantic?



Every time there is a Knicks-Nets discussion a Knicks fan has to bring up that they have more fans. Well congratulations, your New York team that has been here for 67 years is more popular than the one that's been here for a few months. Too bad that doesn't mean anything when it comes to discussing which team is better..


67 years to 4 months is a huge discrepancy


kind of like 43-1, which is how many playoff wins the Nets have compared to the Knicks during the 21st century
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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#186 » by Ronito » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:27 am

624 wrote:So I guess the fact that the Knicks have more fans mean that they will not be caught in the Atlantic?



Every time there is a Knicks-Nets discussion a Knicks fan has to bring up that they have more fans. Well congratulations, your New York team that has been here for 67 years is more popular than the one that's been here for a few months. Too bad that doesn't mean anything when it comes to discussing which team is better..


67 years to 4 months is a huge discrepancy


kind of like 43-1, which is how many playoff wins the Nets have compared to the Knicks during the 21st century

:rofl:

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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#187 » by final » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:29 am

Saying the knicks are above the yankees is just ludicrous so you must be having fun trolling the nets fans here.

Nets are looking better and better as the season goes on and the knicks are falling. Injuries and old age is effecting the knicks, Carmelo needs to keep up an MVP level for the knicks to lock down the lead. I don't think he can.
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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#188 » by DowNY » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:32 am

Ronito wrote:
624 wrote:So I guess the fact that the Knicks have more fans mean that they will not be caught in the Atlantic?



Every time there is a Knicks-Nets discussion a Knicks fan has to bring up that they have more fans. Well congratulations, your New York team that has been here for 67 years is more popular than the one that's been here for a few months. Too bad that doesn't mean anything when it comes to discussing which team is better..


67 years to 4 months is a huge discrepancy


kind of like 43-1, which is how many playoff wins the Nets have compared to the Knicks during the 21st century

:rofl:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bu ... ted_States


Playoffs wins? That amounted to nothing but teased souls?
Knicks = 2 Championships / Nets = 0 Championships
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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#189 » by daschysta » Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:37 am

DowNY wrote:
Ronito wrote:
624 wrote:So I guess the fact that the Knicks have more fans mean that they will not be caught in the Atlantic?



Every time there is a Knicks-Nets discussion a Knicks fan has to bring up that they have more fans. Well congratulations, your New York team that has been here for 67 years is more popular than the one that's been here for a few months. Too bad that doesn't mean anything when it comes to discussing which team is better..


67 years to 4 months is a huge discrepancy


kind of like 43-1, which is how many playoff wins the Nets have compared to the Knicks during the 21st century

:rofl:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bu ... ted_States


Playoffs wins? That amounted to nothing but teased souls?
Knicks = 2 Championships / Nets = 0 Championships


Bragging about titles won when Bernard King was starring for the Knicks is almost as bad as me trolling Knicks fans as a Pacers fan because my favorite team has THREE ABA TITLES. Hint, both boasts are pathetic, and not at all relevant to discussing anything about the current state of either franchise.
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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#190 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:19 am

DowNY wrote:
Ronito wrote:
624 wrote:So I guess the fact that the Knicks have more fans mean that they will not be caught in the Atlantic?



Every time there is a Knicks-Nets discussion a Knicks fan has to bring up that they have more fans. Well congratulations, your New York team that has been here for 67 years is more popular than the one that's been here for a few months. Too bad that doesn't mean anything when it comes to discussing which team is better..


67 years to 4 months is a huge discrepancy


kind of like 43-1, which is how many playoff wins the Nets have compared to the Knicks during the 21st century

:rofl:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bu ... ted_States


Playoffs wins? That amounted to nothing but teased souls?
Knicks = 2 Championships / Nets = 0 Championships

20 to 1 says you were 12 years + from being born last time they won a title.
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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#191 » by Ming Kong! » Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:34 am

daschysta wrote:
DowNY wrote:


Playoffs wins? That amounted to nothing but teased souls?
Knicks = 2 Championships / Nets = 0 Championships


Bragging about titles won when Bernard King was starring for the Knicks is almost as bad as me trolling Knicks fans as a Pacers fan because my favorite team has THREE ABA TITLES. Hint, both boasts are pathetic, and not at all relevant to discussing anything about the current state of either franchise.


I understand your point, but King came a decade later. Knicks' last champion was in the 1972-73 season, Bernard King joined the Knicks in the 1982-83 season.
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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#192 » by Nuntius » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:33 am

JDs_loot wrote:We started out shooting the ball well, but we we're wining on defense and execution.


This is a problem, imo. Will your defense return? Woodson is a good defensive coach but if STAT keeps starting I wouldn't expect your D to be as top notch as it was late last season.
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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#193 » by Nuntius » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:53 am

In any case, the point of this thread is not the Nets. I repeat, it's not the Nets.

The point of the thread is if some team can catch the Knicks. And apparently it seems very plausible at the moment.
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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#194 » by shokase » Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:55 am

Without reading this thread I'm going to say this.

That 17-5 start forced other teams to play close attention to what they r doing that is working so well and adjust their game plan. Now it is the knicks turn to counter punch and make their own adjustments. Unfortunetly with injuries to key players it is not happening yet and maybe not in another 10-15 games. Do expect them to go on another decent stretch but will it be too late to grab the top3 seed? we shall stay tuned.
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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#195 » by Ninjek » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:09 am

624 wrote:So I guess the fact that the Knicks have more fans mean that they will not be caught in the Atlantic?



Every time there is a Knicks-Nets discussion a Knicks fan has to bring up that they have more fans. Well congratulations, your New York team that has been here for 67 years is more popular than the one that's been here for a few months. Too bad that doesn't mean anything when it comes to discussing which team is better..


67 years to 4 months is a huge discrepancy


kind of like 43-1, which is how many playoff wins the Nets have compared to the Knicks during the 21st century

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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#196 » by vincecarter4pres » Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:29 am

Word. Let's get back to the meat and potatoes of it, actual basketball talk...

poeman wrote:Brooklyn with a flawed win

Man I hate flawed wins! Much would have preferred a perfect loss!

- Knicks shot terribly

Yeah that can happen sometimes in a loss, especially when your team relies so heavily on jumpers, bland iso offense and an awful second option like Smith.

- Nets were unreal from 3-point land

Happens sometimes when you have good three point shooters getting mainly good looks.

- Knicks without pg and back up center

Happens sometimes when your backup centers are old. Also, I recall quite well when you beat us without Lopez you guys just clowning on it as if it was the same as you missing Camby when Lopez has been our best player this season and is our second best overall player.

- Nets turnovers are a problem if you have not noticed

I didn't because because despite them we won and it was out of character for our squad anyway, no reason to act like it's been a long running problem for the Nets.

Knicks still found a way to come back through this but continued to have trouble creating shots without Felton and they were 29% from FG...

Moral victories, love those!

Nets had like 20 turnovers and were shooting lights out. Still it was close today...It's a weak loss, nothing serious

It's not that serious, sort of.
In the grande scheme of things it's only one game.
But it was a division game versus a heated rival in which I saw your fan base and actual players talking A LOT of smack.
And it was a game during a heated race for the division and playoff seeding that will go on til the last week of the season.
And the Nets are now 12 and 2 under PJ and the Knicks are 6 and 8 during that same span.

Before I thought we'd make it interesting, but wins like these are cementing my opinion that the Nets are going to take the division by season's end.

The Knicks might find themselves as the 5 or 6 seed and another first round exit at this rate.
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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#197 » by chales_zed » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:12 am

The Knicks have good three-point shooters in Novak, Kidd, JR and this year's Melo. They've also got Felton who's average but they're in a system where they can generate good looks from Melo drawing double-teams and Felton PNR penetrations.

I wouldn't criticise the Knicks dependency on three-point shots because they have the players to drain them. Sure there will be games where it isn't falling but they have better personnel for the 3-point shot than most teams, and an offense which generates good looks.

Their squad as constructed is pretty similar to the 2011 Dallas Mavericks so I would say they're a legitimate contender, but the problem is the BBIQ of JR Smith, Raymond Felton and Amare.
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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#198 » by Nuntius » Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:18 am

chales_zed wrote:Their squad as constructed is pretty similar to the 2011 Dallas Mavericks so I would say they're a legitimate contender, but the problem is the BBIQ of JR Smith, Raymond Felton and Amare.


Another problem is that Amar'e is not Dirk.
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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#199 » by Hijinks » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:14 pm

vincecarter4pres wrote:Word. Let's get back to the meat and potatoes of it, actual basketball talk...

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bla bla bla

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The Knicks might find themselves as the 5 or 6 seed and another first round exit at this rate.


I really admire how you always want to defend your nets against everybody. Like literally everybody!!!

The nets are a good team in the east, there is no doubt about it. But why trash a team, that hasn't been fully healthy once in this season and still managed to get 2 wins against the nets? You might recall that in 3 of 4 of this seasons games there was no Amare or Shump available. 2 players who were thought to be starters before the season! Hence, yesterday our starting point guard wasn't dressed! And you cry about lopez not being healty for one game???

If this team (the knicks) get home court advantage (which they will!) they will for sure make the 2nd round! Book it!
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Re: Can anybody catch the Knicks in the Atlantic? 

Post#200 » by Nuntius » Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:24 pm

knicksfan87 wrote:But why trash a team, that hasn't been fully healthy once in this season and still managed to get 2 wins against the nets?


Because this thread was started by fans of the team you're talking about in an attempt to trash all the other teams in the Atlantic Division.
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