Knicks may oust Heat this year...think back to 2011 Dallas.

[infinite11285]

Can we at least wait to see IF these teams meet up this year?

[HeatFanSince87]

Forget that the 2011 Mavs may have been better than their record suggests. How about the 2013 Heat? Is it so hard to acknowledge this is a better team than the 2011 Heat?

The 2011 team had Mike Bibby and Joel Anthony starting, with Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem the main reserves off the bench, both players coming off season long injuries and basically playing consistent minutes for the first time all year in the ECF. Juwan Howard and Zydrunas Ilgauskas both saw minutes in the Finals, that's how thin that team's bench was.

The 2013 team has Mario Chalmers and a healthy Haslem starting, with a healthy Miller, Ray Allen, Chris Andersen and Shane Battier all coming off the bench.

Oh, and that LeBron guy, he's kinda sorta gotten better.

People seem to forget this already. Miami is light years better then 2011. Honestly, I didn't even think they would get to the Finals year one. Chemistry was way off, bench wss ridiclously thin, lost our only real two role players in Haslem and Miller all season. We got Haslem back in the middle of the Boston series and he was clearly not in playoff shape. Miller played with two broken thumbs. Fast forward two years later, 3 years of chemistry, everyone knows it'd "Lebrons team" which even in the 2011 Finals, there was still confusion there. This team as a core has been through countless tough, close, intense playoff games.. The lows of the low in 2011 to redeeming themselves in 2012. The pressure to win is no where near what it was in 2011.. So they play so much looser. Throw in adding like I said earlier Birdman, Ray Allen, Battier, Cole, and a healthy Mike Miller... With a much improved Lebron... The fact anyone is comparing 2011 to now is just stupid.

[HeatFanSince87]

Can we at least wait to see IF these teams meet up this year?

It's a lock.. Knicks haven't won a playoff series in 12 years but let's talk right now about how they will win the ECFs

[Bandwagon1]

Chandler=Chandler tho

[Heat_Fan_87]

LMAO

[hodgy#11]

This point won't even need to be confirmed as Knicks probably won't get past the Celtics

[tsherkin]

This point won't even need to be confirmed as Knicks probably won't get past the Celtics

A bold statement, that.

[RatherUnique]

Why would it be hard to see that happening? Who do you think the defense is going to focus on in every series? Probably...gee...maybe Lebron if any half brain coach wants to win.

You're seriously asking me why I can't see Lebron averaging 18 points ever again?

You trollin bro?

[sisibilio]

2013 LeBron > 2011 LeBron
Chris Andersen >>> Joel Anthony
Shane Battier > Mike Miller
Ray Allen >>> Mike Miller
2013 Chalmers > 2011 Chalmers >>> the corpse formerly known as Mike Bibby
Mike Miller > whoever else

[Alex Trevelyan]

Chandler = Chandler
Kidd = Kidd
Amare = Butler
Melo = Nowitzki
Smith = Terry
Richardson = Stevenson
Novak = Stojakovic
Felton & Prigioni = Barea
K-Mart = Marion
Camby = Mahimni/Haywood

Funny thing is that these two rosters are very comparable. They have a lot of similarities. I wouldn't be surprised if 1st year GM Glen Grunwald actually built this team to resemble the 10-11 Mavs. Mavs actually could've easily choked in the 1st round against the Trail Blazers with the series being tied after Roys emotional game. They didn't & they went on to sweep the Lakers which probably did wonders for their confidence which IMO won them the title. If the Mavs never swept the Lakers they wouldn't have won a title. That was such a confidence builder which just propelled them & they seemed to make every shot since then for the rest of the playoffs.

If the Knicks beat the Celtics, they're making it to the ECF without a doubt. To beat Miami the Knicks are gonna have to be hot from downtown & Melo's gonna have to have 35+ performances. I think we can do it, I hope we can..

Probably the best and most logical post of this thread. Very similar lineups to that dallas team. Thing is Carmelo can be more deadly than Dirk...but he could also shoot the knicks out of contention. Knicks can do it without a doubt which is probably why miami fans root for boston lol.

Lets face it no rhondo no problem. Knicks in 5...maybe a sweep even.

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Assuming for the sake of argument that the 2013 Knicks=2011 Mavs, where does that get you? The 2013 Heat >>>2011 Mavs. This Heat team would probably sweep that Mavs team. That 2011 Heat team, with all of its problems, were very close (squandering a 15-point lead in the last 5-minutes of game 2 at home) to being up 3-0 on that Mavs team. And that was with a deer-in-the-headlights LeBron, 2 significant role players just returning from serious injuries (Miller and Haslem) and a bunch of roster filler being asked to make significant contributions (Bibby and Joel Anthony.) The Heat were winning games on pure talent and defense. They had no system in place, no experience as a unit.

And if someone rejects your baseline assumption, as I do, that the 2011 Mavs and 2013 Knicks are equivalent, you have no argument to make, poorly reasoned or otherwise.

[Heat fan06]

that 2011 team had Mike Bibby and even Howard/Anthony playing meaningful minutes. That says it all.

[Buju]

Why would it be hard to see that happening? Who do you think the defense is going to focus on in every series? Probably...gee...maybe Lebron if any half brain coach wants to win.

You're seriously asking me why I can't see Lebron averaging 18 points ever again?

You trollin bro?

He is trolling, check his history

[Joker]

2013 Heat > 2012 Heat > 2011 Mavs > 2011 Heat > 2013 Knicks

[bigfnjoe96]

The hyperbole in this thread is of epic proportion

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[CousinOfDeath]

I haven't read the thread but in order for this comparison to be valid one would have to imply that Melo is capable of scoring as well as Dirk did.

To which I say, LOL.

[TheGoodDoctor]

Yeeeeeah....no!

[Mohanad]

Knicks will get smashed in 5 games by the Heat. Their supposed "matchup" advantages inside are way overstated. Their defense is thoroughly mediocre, unlike say an Indiana or Chicago, and they can't punish them inside for playing small.

By the way, the Mavs of 2011 are so overrated. If LeBron doesn't go AWOL out of the blue for no good reason, the Heat easily win that series. SMH at people thinking a "Dallas style" or effective "zone defense" will yield results similar to 2011. LeBron is a totally different player. Cannot be stopped. Miami is a virtual lock to come out of the East and will only be remotely challenged by San Antonio.

lol I love how you guys act like you went 16-0 in the playoffs. You don't get away with murder in game 2 of ECF and the finals are a lot different.

I know Boston is obsessed with Miami and Lebron, but this is such a stupid argument.

Bostons nagging injuries? The refs? We were up in game 7 in the 4th quarter? THe Celtics lost game 7 in double digits. The Celtics had their best shot at Miami. Chris Bosh played a grand total for 14 minutes through the first 5 games of that series. Wade had his knee drained 1 week before the series started, and nobody mentions the horrific officiating in game 4 of that series. They don't beat Miami in 7 games, in 14 games, or in 21 games. The 2012 Celtics were not a better team, get over it and move on.

[TheChosen618]

So pretty much Knicks fans believe that their team is similar to the 2011 Mavericks because of the roster makeup?

Why don't you compare yourselves to the 2008-2010 Nuggets then?

Carmelo Anthony = Carmelo Anthony
JR Smith = JR Smith
Kenyon Martin = Kenyon Martin

It probably makes more sense considering how those Nuggets teams sucked on defense too and weren't very good passing teams either.

I don't get why you compare yourselves to a championship team that you play nothing alike just because two of those players currently play for the Knicks. You realize that three of the Nuggets players currently play for the Knicks, right? You are not a championship team and you are not even close to what the Mavericks were.