The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right?

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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#181 » by Edumacated » Wed May 11, 2016 3:19 pm

Atlanta needs a decent wing player; Bazemore and Korver are not sufficient. Perhaps the GM should try to sign Batum or Barnes this offseason or trade Teague in a package for one.

I agree with the posters who argue that Horford and Millsap are redundant. There's no point in spending all that money for two power forwards.

I also think it would be foolish to tank because of the damage it would cause to franchise. You can't tank when fan support is not strong. That's just the reality for that franchise.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#182 » by PickMeUpASixer » Wed May 11, 2016 3:36 pm

If you are ATL it depends what you want to do. If you are happy with a competitive team that can make the playoffs, go ahead and resign Horford, you can pay Bazemore, hope Millsap sticks around for his PO and you'll probably be right back in the playoffs next year in that 3-6 seed range. Nothing wrong with that, if you catch a few breaks you could end up in the conference finals again.

If you are dead set on a championship though, you are probably going to have the bite the bullet, sells your older and more expensive players off for assets, and try and find a superstar somewhere. Millsap is a great player but he is probably your best option to try and secure a high draft pick or a promising prospect. Teague could get you another piece, and you can turn the keys over to Dennis.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#183 » by Mik317 » Wed May 11, 2016 5:38 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
Mik317 wrote:Built for the regular season.

Not for the playoffs


What team in the east is built to beat the Cavs in the playoffs? Just because LeBron is in the east it doesn't mean every team should blow it up. This mindset is getting out of control and ridiculous now. No one was saying in the 90s that every team in the east except for the Bulls was just built for the regular season and/or they should blow it up because no one is beating Jordan.


that's not what I meant. I meant their style of play is built to work in the regular season but not so much in the playoffs. They lack a guy who can consistently get their shot. You need that in the playoffs. Can't say I watched much of them this playoffs but I remember last year Korver got shut down because teams had guys who could stay with him and it damn near broke their offense. Its not a diss at all; they are a team that works really well in the regular season but will always struggle in the playoffs when defense tense up.

Ironically they could use an Iso Joe type.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#184 » by Prokorov » Wed May 11, 2016 9:13 pm

i dont see why they have to blown it up. that core is lock playoffs every year and a core of guys who create a great enviornment for developing whatever youth comes in.

why blow that up to become the next bucks?
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#185 » by Kid Vicious » Wed May 11, 2016 9:23 pm

Prokorov wrote:i dont see why they have to blown it up. that core is lock playoffs every year and a core of guys who create a great enviornment for developing whatever youth comes in.

why blow that up to become the next bucks?


I agree...no guarantee you get the next Shaq if you tank anyways. It's always such a crapshoot. Why risk being irrelevant for 5-6 years.

Nothing wrong with making it to the 2nd round each year and hoping some bounces go your way for a deeper run. Could be way worse and a lot of teams would love to win just a series. While you're good, enjoy it.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#186 » by daboywonder2007 » Wed May 11, 2016 11:14 pm

Jeff Green? Rudy Gay? Jeff Green is inconsistent. rudy gay i like but he isn't a fit. Bazemore is perfect for this system. He does all the little things, rebound, block, pass, steal. YOu dont need an overpaid small forward to improve. YOu really think Jeff green and rudy gay are gonna be the difference between the Hawks and Cavs?
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#187 » by EvanZ » Wed May 11, 2016 11:20 pm

Edumacated wrote:Atlanta needs a decent wing player; Bazemore and Korver are not sufficient. Perhaps the GM should try to sign Batum or Barnes this offseason or trade Teague in a package for one.

I agree with the posters who argue that Horford and Millsap are redundant. There's no point in spending all that money for two power forwards.

I also think it would be foolish to tank because of the damage it would cause to franchise. You can't tank when fan support is not strong. That's just the reality for that franchise.


Wait, so Horford is a PF and Barnes is a wing?

:lol:

Good luck, son.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#188 » by Wally West » Thu May 12, 2016 7:21 am

Slava wrote:They finally produced a team worth getting fans into some seats. Rebuilding is the last thing they should do.

More like retooling.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#189 » by RollingWave » Thu May 12, 2016 8:42 am

Guys, if you want to win a championship you almost certainly must have a top 5 player, that's the baseline. you can stop pretending your going for a chip without one of those 5 player.

Those are rare and just not available in trades most of the time, and a team like Atlanta is extremely unlikely to be able to sign them in FA.

So it's really one of two alternative, you completely tank and blow up the whole team and aim to be a 20 win team or worse next year for as many years as it takes until you draft one of those guys (which btw, is probably not going to happen before your team folds or is moved to another city.) or you just try to stay competitive.

Guess which path sane people who need to keep them self employed go for? They'll either try to keep them self competitive or begin writing a 13 page manifesto quoting everyone from Jesus to Abe Lincoln

They may or may not keep Horford and that choice is probably more in Horford's hand anyway.

Seriously, almost no team ever blows it up until they really have to. and the Hawks don't have to.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#190 » by jpengland » Thu May 12, 2016 9:00 am

If they are planning on rolling again next year, they need to let Bazemore walk and pick up an improvement at wing. Bazemore was exposed in the playoffs, he was dreadful defensively and will be expecting to be paid.

Pick up a Bazemore improvement, possibly by trading Jeff Teague and letting Shroeder off the leash, he seems more than ready.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#191 » by Pharaoh » Thu May 12, 2016 9:38 am

Ain't nothing wrong with making the playoffs every year!

Yeah yeah yeah everyone is trying to win the championship...
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#192 » by tiderulz » Thu May 12, 2016 12:00 pm

Prokorov wrote:i dont see why they have to blown it up. that core is lock playoffs every year and a core of guys who create a great enviornment for developing whatever youth comes in.

why blow that up to become the next bucks?


they have very little developing youth, and besides Schroder, no high end developing youth.
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Re: The Hawks Have To Have A Shakeup Right? 

Post#193 » by wallsfamily » Thu May 12, 2016 12:30 pm

Hawks need a big wing who can rebound as well as shoot. Go young with that. They also need another body to throw at Lebron and an athletic big (young) to combat Tristan's energy. Look at how Steven Adams has played in the Thunder/Spurs series. Mozgov will be available and hopefully Splitter will be healthy but they need a young one.

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