Woj Bomb: D'Antoni to HOU

tmorgan · Post #181 » by **tmorgan** » Sat May 28, 2016 12:20 am

If this makes Beverley available, SVG and Bower need to be on the phone RIGHT NOW.

GopherIt! · Post #182 » by **GopherIt!** » Sat May 28, 2016 12:57 am

Mike D with the master plan!

Desiderium · Post #183 » by **Desiderium** » Sat May 28, 2016 1:02 am

all jokes aside, you're not gonna get harden to play defense no matter what coach you bring on. so highlighting his strength with d'antoni might be a good move.

Ballerhogger · Post #184 » by **Ballerhogger** » Sat May 28, 2016 1:09 am

Desiderium wrote:all jokes aside, you're not gonna get harden to play defense no matter what coach you bring on. so highlighting his strength with d'antoni might be a good move.

But you'll be give up 129 ppg and get nowhere

Nutty Nats Fan · Post #185 » by **Nutty Nats Fan** » Sat May 28, 2016 1:16 am

Ballerhogger wrote:
Desiderium wrote:all jokes aside, you're not gonna get harden to play defense no matter what coach you bring on. so highlighting his strength with d'antoni might be a good move.

But you'll be give up 129 ppg and get nowhere

That's sadly all a team lead by Harden will do. Get nowhere.

HotRocks34 · Post #186 » by **HotRocks34** » Sat May 28, 2016 1:27 am

HotRocks34 wrote:To me, this means that the Morey era in Houston may be on the way out.

http://www.red94.net/houston-rockets-hire-mike-dantoni/16398/

You might see a shift in personnel strategy now that it seems general manager Daryl Morey has been slightly marginalized. All reports of course were that this hiring was ownership’s call, with Morey showing support for more defensive oriented candidates such as Jeff Van Gundy and Frank Vogel. D’Antoni shares Morey’s belief in pace and space, but who really doesn’t these days? More importantly, when one (Morey) has been stripped of his autonomy in a decision to which his own destiny is inextricably intertwined, how does one react? Don’t kid yourself if you don’t think there will be teams lining up to interview Morey if he eventually is out.

Post #187 » by **Mr. E** » Sat May 28, 2016 1:56 am

BBall Loyalty wrote:Agreed what MDA needs is a roster that fits his style of play. He is too stubborn to adapt. The Rockets are going to be an empty slate once Dwight opts out other than Harden. Morey will work to find players how play MDA's style, the Rockets may be more than capable of winning a lot of games but I don't see a title in the future.

Of the current players I think that these guys will fit into what they may be going for:

Harden (obviously)
Motiejunas
Capela
Brewer
McDaniels
Smoove
Terry
Dekker

I do think that they will try to move Beverley & Ariza, and there will be a market for those players. I'm not saying that they could not fit; but they are the guys with the most value and this roster is going to be overhauled. I currently have no read on what they plan to do with Terrence Jones.

I still believe that they will make runs at Horford & Conley. I've read that Dudley has expressed interest in the D'Antoni hire, and he'd be a good fit. There are two guys from Phoenix that I really want them to make a run at in Teletovic & Chandler. Mirza is basically my personal #1 target beyond the big names.

This may be wildly unpopular with some Rockets fans, but depending on the price they should take a look at reuniting with Chandler Parsons. Yeah, health is an issue and he did the city dirty on his way out (not the team, the city); but let bygones be bygones and admit that he'd be a great re-addition to the roster.

I have stepped away from the cliff that I was on last night following my NyQuil binge, so while I'm still not happy with the lemons I'm now ready to make some lemonade. Looking forward to referring to the 1980's Denver Nuggets as "low volume scorers." :lol:

amcfad27 · Post #188 » by **amcfad27** » Sat May 28, 2016 2:08 am

Howard's definitely gone

BallerTalk · Post #189 » by **BallerTalk** » Sat May 28, 2016 2:12 am

For better or worse things have certainly gotten interesting.

Go Rox!!!

garrick · Post #190 » by **garrick** » Sat May 28, 2016 2:13 am

How is Harden going to buy in to D'Antoni's free flowing offense when we haven't seen much of that throughout Harden's career where he is a ball stopper that kills team offense?

Post #191 » by **Mr. E** » Sat May 28, 2016 2:23 am

garrick wrote:How is Harden going to buy in to D'Antoni's free flowing offense when we haven't seen much of that throughout Harden's career where he is a ball stopper that kills team offense?

I've never understood this narrative.

Harden has basically been the offense since he has been in Houston. His consistently reliable help has been minimal at best. The team still scores in high volume and he still gets good assist numbers. Overall, Offense has not been a problem for Houston the past few seasons. Harden takes on more of it because...well, you've seen the Rockets the past year, right? Not a lot there to help.

The only way that he has consistently stopped the ball during his career as a full-time starter is by having the refs stop the game so much when he draws fouls like they're going out of style.

garrick · Post #192 » by **garrick** » Sat May 28, 2016 2:36 am

Mr. E wrote:
garrick wrote:How is Harden going to buy in to D'Antoni's free flowing offense when we haven't seen much of that throughout Harden's career where he is a ball stopper that kills team offense?

I've never understood this narrative.

Harden has basically been the offense since he has been in Houston. His consistently reliable help has been minimal at best. The team still scores in high volume and he still gets good assist numbers. Overall, Offense has not been a problem for Houston the past few seasons. Harden takes on more of it because...well, you've seen the Rockets the past year, right? Not a lot there to help.

The only way that he has consistently stopped the ball during his career as a full-time starter is by having the refs stop the game so much when he draws fouls like they're going out of style.

Part of that is his own doing by not involving Howard more in the offense or just plain dogging it on the defensive end.

How many times are we going to see Harden just lose track of his man and play matador D?

OrlandoDream · Post #193 » by **OrlandoDream** » Sat May 28, 2016 2:41 am

I did not see this coaching hire happening. I would have expected HOU gives JVG another shot or go after Messina or Blatt. Going to be interesting to watch and see what Pringles does with Harden. This doesnt feel like a Morey hire.

TinmanZBoy · Post #194 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Sat May 28, 2016 2:51 am

Harden was not known as a selfish player until his MVP season that he was the lone playmaker in the team... and this is a guy who asked to come off bench in OKC and basically cried when he heard he was traded ... he wants to win, he can be a player who shares the ball... it is up to coaching staff and the whole team to buy in...

Post #195 » by **Mr. E** » Sat May 28, 2016 2:53 am

garrick wrote:Part of that is his own doing by not involving Howard more in the offense or just plain dogging it on the defensive end.

How many times are we going to see Harden just lose track of his man and play matador D?

I cursed at my TV more times than I care to admit this past season while watching the Rockets play. Harden with the Matador D (I like the phrase) was infuriating; but over some time I had to take some context into the embarrassing dumpster fire that was the 2015-2016 Rockets season.

I can't put higher blame on one player over another when the whole damned system was broken. Yeah, I would have liked to see Harden involve Dwight a lot more; but now we're hearing that it may not have been his call. He was playing the way that he was told to play. Hell, I can't even put the blame on J.B. Bickerstaff in retrospect because he was most likely just doing what he was told from on-high as well.

The 2015-2016 Rockets season was the darkest timeline; and I'm hoping that it was the darkest timeline James Harden. The year before this debacle he was actually playing defense (not all-NBA, mind you) and the offense was flowing way more freely and naturally. Dude is still 26 years old and an elite offensive talent, so I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

No matter what else happens the Matador D has to go! Even if we have a repeat of this past season's debacle we need to see Harden play with more effort on both ends. It will help to have the right people around him and the right coach...s@#t! :nonono:

Spens1 · Post #196 » by **Spens1** » Sat May 28, 2016 2:53 am

so

Capella-Moutie-Ariza-Harden-Beverly

Bev sticks out like a sore thumb sadly, he is a great P.G that would fit anywhere except D'Antoni's rockets. Question is who do they get as that P.G who would be essentially an off the ball P.G

TinmanZBoy · Post #197 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Sat May 28, 2016 2:56 am

Spens1 wrote:so

Capella-Moutie-Ariza-Harden-Beverly

Bev sticks out like a sore thumb sadly, he is a great P.G that would fit anywhere except D'Antoni's rockets. Question is who do they get as that P.G who would be essentially an off the ball P.G

P Bev. can defend, can shoot the threes... he can play in any system...

garrick · Post #198 » by **garrick** » Sat May 28, 2016 4:47 am

Mr. E wrote:
garrick wrote:Part of that is his own doing by not involving Howard more in the offense or just plain dogging it on the defensive end.

How many times are we going to see Harden just lose track of his man and play matador D?

I cursed at my TV more times than I care to admit this past season while watching the Rockets play. Harden with the Matador D (I like the phrase) was infuriating; but over some time I had to take some context into the embarrassing dumpster fire that was the 2015-2016 Rockets season.

I can't put higher blame on one player over another when the whole damned system was broken. Yeah, I would have liked to see Harden involve Dwight a lot more; but now we're hearing that it may not have been his call. He was playing the way that he was told to play. Hell, I can't even put the blame on J.B. Bickerstaff in retrospect because he was most likely just doing what he was told from on-high as well.

The 2015-2016 Rockets season was the darkest timeline; and I'm hoping that it was the darkest timeline James Harden. The year before this debacle he was actually playing defense (not all-NBA, mind you) and the offense was flowing way more freely and naturally. Dude is still 26 years old and an elite offensive talent, so I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

No matter what else happens the Matador D has to go! Even if we have a repeat of this past season's debacle we need to see Harden play with more effort on both ends. It will help to have the right people around him and the right coach...s@#t!

I'm not sold that D'Antoni will get Harden to play harder on D because he has never been known as a defensive coach and actually left Phoenix when management wanted him to improve the team in that department.

The Suns were able to get around the lack of a solid defensive scheme by having such a versatile defender in Marion and a very solid defender in Raja Bell who would guard the Kobe's and Ray Allen's and did an admirable job guarding the best perimeter player but I don't know if the Rockets are able to get anyone like that to shore up the defense.

If and that's a big IF Houston can surround Harden with 3 and D players that aren't an offensive liability I think it could work but I just don't think a lot of FAs would want to come to Houston based on how bad the team played this season.

saintEscaton · Post #199 » by **saintEscaton** » Sat May 28, 2016 5:24 am

Moreyball is basically Goodhart's fallacy taking to the extreme, confusing correlation with necessary causation, more FG attempts from deep/restricted area are merely byproducts of an effecient offense, not indicators in of themselves especially when you are passing over a higher percentage midrange Js. Harden is the PG in all but name, but will he push the break or continue jogging bring the ball up the court? He is a tremendous one on one scorer no doubt but will he actually initiate things in the half court instead of running out the shot clock on a ISO before kicking it out or taking a contested heave/trying to draw a foul . Can any of their bigs be pick n pop threats? Dwight is as good as gone so they might need to find themselves a roll man as well

TinmanZBoy · Post #200 » by **TinmanZBoy** » Sat May 28, 2016 5:31 am

saintEscaton wrote:Moreyball is basically Goodhart's fallacy taking to the extreme, confusing correlation with necessary causation, more FG attempts from deep/restricted area are merely byproducts of an effecient half cout offense, not indicators in of themselves especially when you are passing over a higher percentage midrange Js. Harden is the PG in all but name, but will he push the break or continue jogging bring the ball up the court? He is a tremendous one on one scorer no doubt but will he actually initiate things in the half court instead of running out the shot clock on a ISO before kicking it out or taking a contested heave or try to initiate contact? Can any of their bigs be pick n pop threats?

i will say it one more time, there is no Morey Ball... there is D'antoni Offense... don't want to give Morey credits or whatever that he does not deserve