It's been 5 yrs. Can we now say Andrew Wiggins is a Bust?

[life_saver]

Well if Wiggins has been underwhelming or a bust what has Love been on the Cavs? At least Wiggins plays

Love made all star games in cleveland and won a chip.. What has wiggins accomplished?

Getting Jimmy Butler to “nope” his way out of Minny.

Butler’s got issues but you can’t knock the drive and effort of him as a former late pick who transformed into a big star. And his criticism of Wiggins and KAT was spot on.

Clubbing Wiggins with KAT when it comes to effort, drive etc is just stupid...if KAT didn't put in effort or didn't have drive, then Wolves would be having a record like 15-16 wins right now instead of 27 wins

[teke184]

Was KAT showing this life before Butler called the two of them out and lead the B squad to victory in a team scrimmage?

It may be a testament to KAT that he took criticism and stepped up. Unlike Wiggins.

[mplsfonz23]

Could somebody please explain why you would sign your rookie to a max extension after his 3rd year? He will be an RFA. What do you have to lose in waiting and matching the best offer he gets? It is not going to be more than the max extension you already signed.
Not specific to Wiggins or Minny. Just looking for the logic behind it.

Glen Taylor is the owner. He wanted a promise from Wiggins that he would improve before he offered the contract. I think it took Wiggins a month before he ended up signing the contract that was sitting in front of him. What was he doing for that month? Having it converted to audio so he could kinda understand it? Was he in the middle of a Fortnite tournament and couldn't be bothered with it? Maybe he was hibernating?

Regardless, GT is a big dumb dope of an owner and that's all you need to know about why? We Wolves fans ask that all the time.

GT may be a dope, but make no mistake, some team was going to offer him the max.

[True Sports]

Based off the standards that were placed on him I would say yes. Everyone thought that he would be the next T-Mac or Kobe. He could still become an All-Star but his peak is at least Joe Johnson

[mplsfonz23]

Was KAT showing this life before Butler called the two of them out and lead the B squad to victory in a team scrimmage?

It may be a testament to KAT that he took criticism and stepped up. Unlike Wiggins.

Well considering KAT was rookie of the year.....People assumed Butler was lumping KAT in with Wiggins because Butler didn't name names. KAT has been putting up double doubles since his first game. If Towns took a step back it was to open up for Butler after he came in and acted as if it was his team and they need him. Butler did more damage to this team with his diva attitude, and instead of going to whomever he thought was soft, he ran his mouth to the media. Trust me, most Wolves fans are glad he's gone playoff's or not.

[PlatinumState]

Overpaid and wasn't worthy of the #1 pick when Embiid was there. He isn't a bust. Anthony Bennett was a bust. Fultz is a bust if he doesn't play well for the Magic.

Lets not forget Embiid had back and knee injuries in Kansas. Drafting a big man with the first pick knowing that is risky. Thats why he slipped down to #3. Jabari and Wiggs really were the consensus top 2 prospects.

[williamsonfox]

Overpaid and wasn't worthy of the #1 pick when Embiid was there. He isn't a bust. Anthony Bennett was a bust. Fultz is a bust if he doesn't play well for the Magic.

Lets not forget Embiid had back and knee injuries in Kansas. Drafting a big man with the first pick knowing that is risky. Thats why he slipped down to #3. Jabari and Wiggs really were the consensus top 2 prospects.

Only mean in hindsight. There weren't too many guys in that draft that are much better than Wiggins... Gordon? Randle? Smart? Lavine? Were those guys worthy of a #1 pick? Embiid was a risk but he showed the most by far in college. Wiggins was the safe pick. I just can't believe the Wolves gave him that max contract extension. No one likes when someone gets paid based on potential alone.

[life_saver]

Was KAT showing this life before Butler called the two of them out and lead the B squad to victory in a team scrimmage?

It may be a testament to KAT that he took criticism and stepped up. Unlike Wiggins.

what are you even saying? It's like people don't even watch players play...KAT was probably the most important player for Wolves last season...he was also 2nd most efficient scorer in league behind Curry last season (ignoring player like DAJ, Gobert who don't really shoot)....how was that not showing life? He also did average 25+ ppg @ 60% TS in his 2nd season & also had an excellent rookie season

[Duke4life831]

Not a bust at all because he can score 15 in his sleep. Overpaid sure.

How is that any different than Andrea Bargnani? Bargnani was a laughable bust, yet even he had a better first 5 years than Wiggins. Give me the first 5 years of Kwame Brown or Bargnani over the first 5 yeas of Wiggins.

The only thing Wiggins has is PPG, that is it. But here is the thing, there are a ton of players that you can give 16 shots and they can get you 17 points. Hell Quin Cook can get you 17 points on 16 shots. Wiggins is just lucky he has been on a horrible team which continually gave him a green light to chuck up as many shots as he wants.

Again since the turn of the century, either than Bennett and Fultz, can you name me a worse #1 overall pick than Wiggins?

[NY 567]

Hard to say he's not, I mean look how much he's regressed from his third year. How does that even happen?

[bushybrah_]

Definitely a bust. I remember Raptors fans wanted him so badly in 2014. He was getting comparisons to LeBron. I was watching college basketball just for him... what has he done so far ?

[Quentin]

Could somebody please explain why you would sign your rookie to a max extension after his 3rd year? He will be an RFA. What do you have to lose in waiting and matching the best offer he gets? It is not going to be more than the max extension you already signed.
Not specific to Wiggins or Minny. Just looking for the logic behind it.

Glen Taylor is the owner. He wanted a promise from Wiggins that he would improve before he offered the contract. I think it took Wiggins a month before he ended up signing the contract that was sitting in front of him. What was he doing for that month? Having it converted to audio so he could kinda understand it? Was he in the middle of a Fortnite tournament and couldn't be bothered with it? Maybe he was hibernating?

Regardless, GT is a big dumb dope of an owner and that's all you need to know about why? We Wolves fans ask that all the time.

GT may be a dope, but make no mistake, some team was going to offer him the max.

I love it when people talk like they know what would have happened. Nostradamus alert! No, he wouldn't have. I know this for a fact!

[mplsfonz23]

Was KAT showing this life before Butler called the two of them out and lead the B squad to victory in a team scrimmage?

It may be a testament to KAT that he took criticism and stepped up. Unlike Wiggins.

what are you even saying? It's like people don't even watch players play...KAT was probably the most important player for Wolves last season...he was also 2nd most efficient scorer in league behind Curry last season (ignoring player like DAJ, Gobert who don't really shoot)....how was that not showing life? He also did average 25+ ppg @ 60% TS in his 2nd season & also had an excellent rookie season

Exactly.

[mplsfonz23]

Glen Taylor is the owner. He wanted a promise from Wiggins that he would improve before he offered the contract. I think it took Wiggins a month before he ended up signing the contract that was sitting in front of him. What was he doing for that month? Having it converted to audio so he could kinda understand it? Was he in the middle of a Fortnite tournament and couldn't be bothered with it? Maybe he was hibernating?

Regardless, GT is a big dumb dope of an owner and that's all you need to know about why? We Wolves fans ask that all the time.

GT may be a dope, but make no mistake, some team was going to offer him the max.

I love it when people talk like they know what would have happened. Nostradamus alert! No, he wouldn't have. I know this for a fact!

They do it all the time. Nice try trolling.

[leolozon]

Not a bust at all because he can score 15 in his sleep. Overpaid sure.

How is that any different than Andrea Bargnani? Bargnani was a laughable bust, yet even he had a better first 5 years than Wiggins. Give me the first 5 years of Kwame Brown or Bargnani over the first 5 yeas of Wiggins.

The only thing Wiggins has is PPG, that is it. But here is the thing, there are a ton of players that you can give 16 shots and they can get you 17 points. Hell Quin Cook can get you 17 points on 16 shots. Wiggins is just lucky he has been on a horrible team which continually gave him a green light to chuck up as many shots as he wants.

Again since the turn of the century, either than Bennett and Fultz, can you name me a worse #1 overall pick than Wiggins?

I went to look at Bargnani and it's actually close. Wiggins was better for his first 3 years and then Bargnani was better for his 4th and 5th year. Bargnani seems to actually have some progress in his 3rd and 4th year.

I think Wiggins is lucky to be this athletic and be on a team that allow him to shoot 17 times a game, if not he would be out of the league. He wasn't even good when he was given his extension, but all you heard was : "Well, he's athletic, he'll become a good player. He's still young." I guess athleticism isn't everything.

[taikibansei]

Glen Taylor is the owner. He wanted a promise from Wiggins that he would improve before he offered the contract. I think it took Wiggins a month before he ended up signing the contract that was sitting in front of him. What was he doing for that month? Having it converted to audio so he could kinda understand it? Was he in the middle of a Fortnite tournament and couldn't be bothered with it? Maybe he was hibernating?

Regardless, GT is a big dumb dope of an owner and that's all you need to know about why? We Wolves fans ask that all the time.

GT may be a dope, but make no mistake, some team was going to offer him the max.

I love it when people talk like they know what would have happened. Nostradamus alert! No, he wouldn't have. I know this for a fact!

Yeah, Wiggins was the first player to ever sign what is called a "maximum rookie contract extension"--a new provision put in place, with new adjustments, to help teams lock-in their young talents. In other words, Wiggins got the five-year max under terms which only the Twolves could have offered. So basically the Twolves bid against themselves...well done there GT!

I have posted the stats numerous times--Wiggins has ranked between 150-350 in just about every advanced stat category since his rookie year, and has never had a season with a positive BPM or VORP over his career. He has done this as the first option, the second option and the third option under various coaches and while playing with point guards of varying styles and skill-levels. Wiggins' sole good quality is health--the guy has missed only about 15 games over his entire career. Other than that, he is what he is: a bad player who hurts the team more often than he helps.

I remain curious to know if Wiggins is the only max salary player in NBA history to have never had a season with a positive BPM or VORP over his career.

[Duke4life831]

Not a bust at all because he can score 15 in his sleep. Overpaid sure.

How is that any different than Andrea Bargnani? Bargnani was a laughable bust, yet even he had a better first 5 years than Wiggins. Give me the first 5 years of Kwame Brown or Bargnani over the first 5 yeas of Wiggins.

The only thing Wiggins has is PPG, that is it. But here is the thing, there are a ton of players that you can give 16 shots and they can get you 17 points. Hell Quin Cook can get you 17 points on 16 shots. Wiggins is just lucky he has been on a horrible team which continually gave him a green light to chuck up as many shots as he wants.

Again since the turn of the century, either than Bennett and Fultz, can you name me a worse #1 overall pick than Wiggins?

I went to look at Bargnani and it's actually close. Wiggins was better for his first 3 years and then Bargnani was better for his 4th and 5th year. Bargnani seems to actually have some progress in his 3rd and 4th year.

I think Wiggins his lucky to be this athletic, if not he would be out of the league. He wasn't even good when he was given his extension, but all you heard was : "Well, he's athletic, he'll become a good player. He's still young." I guess athleticism isn't everything.

Ya that is why I wouldnt be shocked if he will struggle to be a rotation player after this big contract is up. He will be 28 when this contract is up, by then teams wont still be using the potential tag with him anymore. He got paid solely off of his athleticism and draft position. I get it, they were hoping he would progress, just never happened.

[PlatinumState]

I've been noticing a trend of players playing hard and showing potential until they get that second contract at 23........then they got nothing to play for anymore. They can pretty much run on cruise control until 28 then resign a few one year deals and call it a day and retire at 31..........not a bad life honestly. Most players wont get a championship so they figure why train hard and work on my game when I can just coast and get 100-200 m and retire at 30?

[Quentin]

GT may be a dope, but make no mistake, some team was going to offer him the max.

I love it when people talk like they know what would have happened. Nostradamus alert! No, he wouldn't have. I know this for a fact!

They do it all the time. Nice try trolling.

Trolling? That's what someone says when they know they're wrong and have nothing else to prove it. Thanks!

[pcbothwel]

I wouldn’t say bust because he is a serviceable starter.

But he has underperformed to expectations.

Why are people perpetuating this myth? Wiggins IS NOT serviceable and is a DEEP bench player at best.
Look at what Kwame, Bargnani, Tyrus Thomas, etc. did from 20-25... In what ways are these players "Bust", but Wiggins isnt?