Is Iggy a Hall of Famer

[Triples333]

OMG, American international team should not count. As an American, If you make that team you will likely medal, Americans win almost every single year. (The one time they did not win some of the best players we're not even playing at the time. Kobe, Shaq, and T-Mac etc etc). Just as in GS, Iggy was tail coating on those US teams as well. And one all star, one defensive star, and one finals MVP trophy in 5 games on ok stats is not enough.

I mean, I don't personally think it matters much, but the HOF committee has shown us that it matters. Having multiple Golds won't go overlooked when they're looking at his 3-5 rings, his Finals MVP, etc. I'd leave him off if I had a vote, but he's going to be considered.

The thing is that I doubt he gets considered, a lot of this is just wishful thinking. By your logic a Guy like Mike Miller should be considered for the hall of Fame due to his role on fiba basketball and his two titles.

I mean Zach Lowe was having this exact conversation on his podcast last week (I don't remember what side he landed on). He's clearly going to be "considered". Mike Miller is a terrible comp if I'm being real with you. Mike Miller was never close to being considered for a Finals MVP and was not nearly as integral to the Heat as Iguodala is to Golden State (he was a spot minute end of the rotation player). And his medal for USA was just the Ameri-Cup, not the real FIBA championship, let alone the Olympics (which is what Iguodala has his golds in). He also doesn't have an All Star or All NBA Team distinction. I don't think Iguodala should be in the Hall, but it's clear you have an extremely off base perception of him as a player. He was absolutely key and integral to this Golden State dynasty. If you're looking for a historical comp from an accolade/importance standpoint, Horace Grant would be a place to start. But even then Andre has him beat in accolades pretty soundly. And FWIW, for all players not in the Hall Of Fame, Iguodala would already rank in the top 20 in total win shares (used Win Shares because it's a decent career value gauge and this is what BBREF uses to list HOF candidates). He'll ultimately land somewhere in the Rasheed Wallace/Chris Bosh/Detlef Shrempf range there in the top 10. Mike Miller ranks 130th.

[Galloisdaman]

Here is a very interesting link regarding the NBA Finals MVPs. Take a look. Iggy accomplished something nobody else on this list accomplished.

http://www.espn.com/nba/history/awards/_/id/43

[Ontario]

I’d tend to say yes, but he shouldn’t be.

I tend to say yes and he absolutely should be. At his Philly peak he was a tremendous player in his own right and his titles with GS are not gimmies that some guy signs on as the 12th man just to get a title to his name they were well earned by Igoudala.

[Winsome Gerbil]

I’d tend to say yes, but he shouldn’t be.

I tend to say yes and he absolutely should be. At his Philly peak he was a tremendous player in his own right and his titles with GS are not gimmies that some guy signs on as the 12th man just to get a title to his name they were well earned by Igoudala.

Um...as this ludicrous thread has drug on and on I have come to the conclusion that its just a bunch of young'uns living in the moment and largely left it alone, but young or not, you don't get to rewrite history.

Iggy was a good player before Golden State, in much the way Ron Harper was a good player before Chicago. Or Mike Conley has been a good player for Memphis. Top end non-AllStar. But he was never "tremendous". Never elite. Certainly never Top 10. Possibly never Top 20, although he may have been there for a few years. He averaged 19+pts a game 1 single time. He made one single All Star game, that was largely a pity "well the East sucks, why not" nod in a season where he averaged 12.4pts a game. He's never been, or gotten close to, All NBA. He has always been a very good defender, but has a grand total of 2 All Defense team nods in 15 years in the NBA. His career PER is 15.7. A 15.0 PER is flat average. PPG average is 12.1.

Now let's compare that resume to a swingman who just made the HOF this year after waiting 30 years. And it was controversial, and maybe he should not have made it:

Igoudala
1x All Star
2x All Defense
0x All NBA

Moncrief
5x All Star
5x All Defense
2x DPOY
5x All NBA


Guys don't get elected to the HOF just because they got lucky enough to sign with a bunch of champions. Many equal or better roleplayers of the same ilk as Iggy have never even been considered for the HOF. Harper was never considered. Michael Cooper never considered. Bruce Bowen never considered. Ron Artest won't be considered. Robert Horry is not being considered. Nor Rick Fox. Iggy was a really good player for a long time. Let him be that.

[MrPerfect1]

Iggy will make it because almost everyone seems to make it. The fact Vlade is in before Webber shows how absurd the HOF is.

The thing with the BASKETBALL hall of fame is that it's just not the NBA hall of fame. There are people in there for their college achievements, there are women there, international players, and even guys for their worldwide impacts Etc, Etc. Divac while a decent player, I would think, got in for his international play and his worldwide impact. Some people might kill me for this but this was a large reason why Yao got in. He was a good player but his international impact was large.

When I speak about Iggy I am only talking about his NBA impact.

Webber was the main player on the most iconic College Basketball team of the last 25 years. Webber's college impact had a bigger Basketball impact than anything Vlade did internationally

[dhsilv2]

Iggy will make it because almost everyone seems to make it. The fact Vlade is in before Webber shows how absurd the HOF is.

The thing with the BASKETBALL hall of fame is that it's just not the NBA hall of fame. There are people in there for their college achievements, there are women there, international players, and even guys for their worldwide impacts Etc, Etc. Divac while a decent player, I would think, got in for his international play and his worldwide impact. Some people might kill me for this but this was a large reason why Yao got in. He was a good player but his international impact was large.

When I speak about Iggy I am only talking about his NBA impact.

Webber was the main player on the most iconic College Basketball team of the last 25 years. Webber's college impact had a bigger Basketball impact than anything Vlade did internationally

Webber never played college ball as far as the hall is concerned.

[MrPerfect1]

I’d tend to say yes, but he shouldn’t be.

I tend to say yes and he absolutely should be. At his Philly peak he was a tremendous player in his own right and his titles with GS are not gimmies that some guy signs on as the 12th man just to get a title to his name they were well earned by Igoudala.

Um...as this ludicrous thread has rug on and on I have come to the conclusion that its just a bunch of young'uns living in the moment and largely left it alone, but young or not, you don't get to rewrite history.

Iggy was a good player before Golden State, in much the way orn Harper was a good player before Chicago. Or Mike Conley has been a good player for Memphis. Top end non-AllStar. But he was never "tremendous". Never elite. Certainly never Top 10. Possibly never Top 20, although he may have been there for a few years. He averaged 19+pts a game 1 single time. He made one single All Star game, that was largely a pity "well the East sucks, why not" nod in a season where he averaged 12.4pts a game. He's never been, or gotten close to, All NBA. He has always been a very good defender, but has a grand total of 2 All Defense team nods in 15 years in the NBA. His career PER is 15.7. A 15.0 PER is flat average. PPG average is 12.1.

Now let's compare that resume to a swingman who just made the HOF this year after waiting 30 years. And it was controversial, and maybe he should not have made it:

Igoudala
1x All Star
2x All Defense
0x All NBA

Moncrief
5x All Star
5x All Defense
2x DPOY
5x All NBA


Guys don't get elected to the HOF just because they got lucky enough to sign with a bunch of champions. Many equal or better roleplayers of the same ilk as Iggy have never even been considered for the HOF. Harper was never considered. Michael Cooper never considered. Bruce Bowen never considered. Ron Artest won't be considered. Robert Horry is not being considered. Nor Rick Fox. Iggy was a really good player for a long time. Let him be that.

Robert Horry legit is being robbed not being in the HOF. He was the legit best role player ever and likely the most clutch player of his generation despite being a role player. He personally swung at least 3 Championships

[Chanel Bomber]

I think he definitely has a case, but his 2015 Finals MVP shouldn't be the deciding factor. Why? Because he didn't actually deserve to win it (he was great in that series, don't get me wrong).

At the end of the day, I don't think he should make the HOF. But he's one of the all-time great playoff defenders and a pretty clutch player on top of it.

[jason bourne]

His career is similar to Bob Cousy. The All-Star difference is the eras were different. Iguodala should make it.

What do Sixers and Nugz fans think?

[Rainwater]

Iggy will make it because almost everyone seems to make it. The fact Vlade is in before Webber shows how absurd the HOF is.

The thing with the BASKETBALL hall of fame is that it's just not the NBA hall of fame. There are people in there for their college achievements, there are women there, international players, and even guys for their worldwide impacts Etc, Etc. Divac while a decent player, I would think, got in for his international play and his worldwide impact. Some people might kill me for this but this was a large reason why Yao got in. He was a good player but his international impact was large.

When I speak about Iggy I am only talking about his NBA impact.

Webber was the main player on the most iconic College Basketball team of the last 25 years. Webber's college impact had a bigger Basketball impact than anything Vlade did internationally

Vlade's international impact is massive just by looking at his international accolades. He is one of fiba's 50 greatest players and he has also won the European player of the year award in 1989. Look it up on wiki. He was one of the reasons why the Serbs were an international power house and all this was in the back drop off the Yugoslavian war. You should def watch the 30 for 30 doc "2 brothers". All this and his NBA career has made him a hall of Famer.

[Winsome Gerbil]

His career is similar to Bob Cousy. The All-Star difference is the eras were different. Iguodala should make it.

What do Sixers and Nugz fans think?

Cannot tell if joking. Please use green font when in doubt.

[Rainwater]

I mean, I don't personally think it matters much, but the HOF committee has shown us that it matters. Having multiple Golds won't go overlooked when they're looking at his 3-5 rings, his Finals MVP, etc. I'd leave him off if I had a vote, but he's going to be considered.

The thing is that I doubt he gets considered, a lot of this is just wishful thinking. By your logic a Guy like Mike Miller should be considered for the hall of Fame due to his role on fiba basketball and his two titles.

I mean Zach Lowe was having this exact conversation on his podcast last week (I don't remember what side he landed on). He's clearly going to be "considered". Mike Miller is a terrible comp if I'm being real with you. Mike Miller was never close to being considered for a Finals MVP and was not nearly as integral to the Heat as Iguodala is to Golden State (he was a spot minute end of the rotation player). And his medal for USA was just the Ameri-Cup, not the real FIBA championship, let alone the Olympics (which is what Iguodala has his golds in). He also doesn't have an All Star or All NBA Team distinction. I don't think Iguodala should be in the Hall, but it's clear you have an extremely off base perception of him as a player. He was absolutely key and integral to this Golden State dynasty. If you're looking for a historical comp from an accolade/importance standpoint, Horace Grant would be a place to start. But even then Andre has him beat in accolades pretty soundly. And FWIW, for all players not in the Hall Of Fame, Iguodala would already rank in the top 20 in total win shares (used Win Shares because it's a decent career value gauge and this is what BBREF uses to list HOF candidates). He'll ultimately land somewhere in the Rasheed Wallace/Chris Bosh/Detlef Shrempf range there in the top 10. Mike Miller ranks 130th.

Miller had some huge games for the heat in the Finals, the key game was the 23 he scored against okc in the final game to close out that series. You can make the argument that he was a spot min guy in 2012 final but he was not in the 2013 final. I maybe wrong about the fiba medal but Mike still medaled. But again, I really could care less about the international games for Americans because it really is a participation trophy for them and Iggy really didn't do much. They play, they win. Mike was a 6th man award winner and rookie of the year winner with many solid seasons as well.

At the end of the day, Do I think either get in, no. But what I find funny is that accolades outside of the final for Iggy finally start to matter when you are comparing them to Mike Miller but for whatever reason it doesn't matter when it compared a real hall of famer like T-Mac because Iggy accolades would not hold water.

Btw Iggy was never as good as Bosh or Wallace. Bosh was multiple time all star prior to even joining the heat and Wallace was a 4 time all star who arguably was the best player on the portand trail blazers that went to conf finals against the Lakers. Iggy was never that good. He is a lot closer to Miller or schrempf (although I really don't remember schrempf earlier playing days) than Bosh or Wallace.

[Rainwater]

His career is similar to Bob Cousy. The All-Star difference is the eras were different. Iguodala should make it.

What do Sixers and Nugz fans think?

Cannot tell if joking. Please use green font when in doubt.

Given people have been comparing Iggy to Paul Pierce, Payton, John Stockton, and Chris Bosh. I am pretty certain it's not a joke. I am waiting for Michael Jordan and LBJ next, lol.

[Rainwater]

I tend to say yes and he absolutely should be. At his Philly peak he was a tremendous player in his own right and his titles with GS are not gimmies that some guy signs on as the 12th man just to get a title to his name they were well earned by Igoudala.

Um...as this ludicrous thread has rug on and on I have come to the conclusion that its just a bunch of young'uns living in the moment and largely left it alone, but young or not, you don't get to rewrite history.

Iggy was a good player before Golden State, in much the way orn Harper was a good player before Chicago. Or Mike Conley has been a good player for Memphis. Top end non-AllStar. But he was never "tremendous". Never elite. Certainly never Top 10. Possibly never Top 20, although he may have been there for a few years. He averaged 19+pts a game 1 single time. He made one single All Star game, that was largely a pity "well the East sucks, why not" nod in a season where he averaged 12.4pts a game. He's never been, or gotten close to, All NBA. He has always been a very good defender, but has a grand total of 2 All Defense team nods in 15 years in the NBA. His career PER is 15.7. A 15.0 PER is flat average. PPG average is 12.1.

Now let's compare that resume to a swingman who just made the HOF this year after waiting 30 years. And it was controversial, and maybe he should not have made it:

Igoudala
1x All Star
2x All Defense
0x All NBA

Moncrief
5x All Star
5x All Defense
2x DPOY
5x All NBA


Guys don't get elected to the HOF just because they got lucky enough to sign with a bunch of champions. Many equal or better roleplayers of the same ilk as Iggy have never even been considered for the HOF. Harper was never considered. Michael Cooper never considered. Bruce Bowen never considered. Ron Artest won't be considered. Robert Horry is not being considered. Nor Rick Fox. Iggy was a really good player for a long time. Let him be that.

Robert Horry legit is being robbed not being in the HOF. He was the legit best role player ever and likely the most clutch player of his generation despite being a role player. He personally swung at least 3 Championships

He is role player, he shouldn't get in.

[mcmokken]

What a grotesque spectacle this thread has become. Such horrible takes, yet I find it hard to look away.

[Ugly0598]

Nah.

[skones]

I can't believe this is a 10 page thread.

No, absolutely not.

[rale93lfc]

For me, yes - he is.

Finals MVP
Won Olympic
Won World Cup
3x NBA Champ
First team all D
Been important part of 73 - 9 Warriors

[CodeBreaker]

If Chauncey Billups isn’t a HOFer then no way Iggy should be.

*Ben Wallace

[HeartBreakKid]

Nope...he was a low tier all star during his prime. Type of player who won't get in the HOF for like 50 years.