Woj: Some Players getting cold feet about playing in Orlando

[hippesthippo]

What are they going to do if a dozen players test positive in the first week? Shut the whole thing down after all the time and expense setting it up?

They never should have shut things down in the first place. All we needed to do was keep infectious people out of the nursing homes and isolate the sick/high risk people and we’d have less than 1/2 the deaths we’ve had.

All this shutting things down for healthy and active people accomplished very little and we know nothing else new and aren’t in any better of a position than we were in March.

CDC the other day actually said they’ve seen very little occurrence of asymptomatic people spreading the virus. Meanwhile we’ve been shut up in our houses w/ no symptoms thinking we can have it and not know it and ve getting others sick if we go outside for almost 3 months.

It was the WHO who said that asymptomatic people weren't spreading the virus and they immediately walked back their statement. The issue at hand is the definition of "asymptomatic." Most people don't understand what that actually means.

[GIMME_DATT]

Just cancel the season

[trickshot]

I've said this before.. how long are these men supposed to remain celibate?

Poor millionaires have to get reacquainted with hornpub and jergens like common folk.

Umm.. common folk have sex more than once every two months. Men in their twenties absolutely have sex more than once every 2 months.
Not exactly sure how you've been living, but it sounds like you're missing out on an activity that is vital for human health.

Really couldn't pass the opportunity to brag about having sex on the Internet? May be news to you but married folks and professionals are forced to go celibate when they travel for work all the time. This isn't a big deal for anyone with a basic level of maturity

[Texas Chuck]

Something else? Did you not say this?

"You must risk your health for our entertainment"

Who is suggesting that?

Spoiler:

Leak the names

Soft

I think they shouldn’t be worried very much about safety if they really will be tested every day. Also, they are in a low risk age group.

I think they are probably more upset about being away from families and women for so long. Not to be too crass, but when’s the last time any of these guys went more than a week without getting laid?

Let's keep it 100. They aren't scared of COVID.

They're concerned with not being able to get pussy and weed while stuck inside Disney World for 2 months.

I bet Harden's first question was whether or not Disney World has a strip club.

Covid concerns? PED testing concerns? Injury concerns? Idk... but I hope the season gets to play out sooner rather than later

Let's address the elephant in the room. How much of this is about not having access to women for possibly months on end.

I could go on, but you get the point---if you are willing to get it. I assume you are going to come back and say these posters didn't literally say "you must risk your health for our entertainment" and dismiss it, but you can't pretend these poster care about the players here either.

Here's a fun one just added:

In the case of many of these guys, especially the ones who frequently sleep around w/ groupies and prostitues, it’s probably much safer for them to be celibate. Both for their health and their finances.

Yep these guys definitely care about the players and no veiled racism here....

[The Duke]

I run a school with about 100 teachers. We are online now, but in August we will be back on campus. If a teacher says "even with the safety precautions, I don't feel safe in returning" I would find a new teacher and let that one go. Sorry, but that's the way it is. Why are these guys different?

Teachers at most schools are pretty easily replaced. The top .000001% of basketball players aren't. There's a reason there's a salary gap here.

The league will still make good money, even if a couple of top basketball players decline to show up.
Overall team talent would drop, but most of the money will still be rolling in, when you add a 12th man

[NBAFan93]

What are they going to do if a dozen players test positive in the first week? Shut the whole thing down after all the time and expense setting it up?

They never should have shut things down in the first place. All we needed to do was keep infectious people out of the nursing homes and isolate the sick/high risk people and we’d have less than 1/2 the deaths we’ve had.

All this shutting things down for healthy and active people accomplished very little and we know nothing else new and aren’t in any better of a position than we were in March.

CDC the other day actually said they’ve seen very little occurrence of asymptomatic people spreading the virus. Meanwhile we’ve been shut up in our houses w/ no symptoms thinking we can have it and not know it and ve getting others sick if we go outside for almost 3 months.

It was the WHO who said that asymptomatic people weren't spreading the virus and they immediately walked back their statement. The issue at hand is the definition of "asymptomatic." Most people don't understand what that actually means.

It was one of those big organizations. They are only walking back now cause they realized the outrage it means after the fact and don’t want to deal.

They meant asymptomatic people like KD and Mitchell were - never got sick at all in spite of positive tests. Which is like a huge percentage of cases that are found when mass testing is done.

[hippesthippo]

Poor millionaires have to get reacquainted with hornpub and jergens like common folk.

Umm.. common folk have sex more than once every two months. Men in their twenties absolutely have sex more than once every 2 months.
Not exactly sure how you've been living, but it sounds like you're missing out on an activity that is vital for human health.

Really couldn't pass the opportunity to brag about having sex on the Internet? May be news to you but married folks and professionals are forced to go celibate when they travel for work all the time. This isn't a big deal for anyone with a basic level of maturity

If you want to call normal human activity bragging, sure. It'd be enough to give me cold feet.

What's the reasoning behind allowing family into the bubble, but only after 7 weeks? Are they unable to share a hotel room? It might be news to you, but married folks and professionals share hotel rooms all the time when they travel.

[HotRocks34]

Just cancel the season

I've been on that bandwagon for awhile now.

Apparently new talk of replacement players for those who choose not to go to the Orlando bubble:


https://www.bleachernation.com/bulls/2020/06/11/nba-will-allow-replacements-for-orlando-opt-outs-earlier-restart-date-rose-reunion-and-other-bulls-bullets/

Sources: Players deciding against participating in Orlando could be replaced by a substitution player. NBA plans to allow replacements for players who test positive for COVID-19 or suffer injuries. Replaced players become ineligible for the rest of 2019-2020 season.

This keeps getting more and more odd.

I'll watch if they play, but this is getting less credible by the day, IMO.



Also, new virus cases seem to be rising in Orlando:

Read on Twitter

Sometimes, it's just not meant to be.

[NBAFan93]

Poor millionaires have to get reacquainted with hornpub and jergens like common folk.

Umm.. common folk have sex more than once every two months. Men in their twenties absolutely have sex more than once every 2 months.
Not exactly sure how you've been living, but it sounds like you're missing out on an activity that is vital for human health.

Really couldn't pass the opportunity to brag about having sex on the Internet? May be news to you but married folks and professionals are forced to go celibate when they travel for work all the time. This isn't a big deal for anyone with a basic level of maturity

In the case of many of these guys, especially the ones who frequently sleep around w/ groupies and prostitues, it’s probably much safer for them to be celibate. Both for their health and their finances.

[hippesthippo]

They never should have shut things down in the first place. All we needed to do was keep infectious people out of the nursing homes and isolate the sick/high risk people and we’d have less than 1/2 the deaths we’ve had.

All this shutting things down for healthy and active people accomplished very little and we know nothing else new and aren’t in any better of a position than we were in March.

CDC the other day actually said they’ve seen very little occurrence of asymptomatic people spreading the virus. Meanwhile we’ve been shut up in our houses w/ no symptoms thinking we can have it and not know it and ve getting others sick if we go outside for almost 3 months.

It was the WHO who said that asymptomatic people weren't spreading the virus and they immediately walked back their statement. The issue at hand is the definition of "asymptomatic." Most people don't understand what that actually means.

It was one of those big organizations. They are only walking back now cause they realized the outrage it means after the fact and don’t want to deal.

They meant asymptomatic people like KD and Mitchell were - never got sick at all in spite of positive tests. Which is like a huge percentage of cases that are found when mass testing is done.

You don't even know who made the statement, yet you somehow claim to know what their motives are? Take off the tinfoil hat.

[levon]

Was there really no other place to do this? How much of this was throwing a bone to ESPN's parent conglomerate versus actual logistical concerns?

I feel like if they truly put personnel health first, they wouldn't be doing this in such a stupid state where the citizens have been roaming freely since early on yet if a player or hell, camera person steps outside they're at risk of losing their job.

[The Duke]

I'll watch if they play.

The league knows this... and even if they have 30 players (10% being star players) decide not to play.... the NBA will issue them their official documents stating they no long an active player for the rest of the season, and they are no longer entitled to their biweekly salary. They will also forfeit a portion of the escrot funds held by NBPA.

Teams will be given the ability to sign any free agents to replace players they choose to do so.

[Texas Chuck]

Was there really no other place to do this? How much of this was throwing a bone to ESPN's parent conglomerate versus actual logistical concerns?

I feel like if they truly put personnel health first, they wouldn't be doing this in such a stupid state where the citizens have been roaming freely since early on yet if a player or hell, camera person steps outside they're at risk of losing their job.

Name a more isolated place with the ability to stage that many games and house that many people while keeping them isolated from the rest of the world? I'm not sure that other place exists.

I'm not sure they should be playing, but if they are going to, this is by far the most logical, safest location to do so.

[Smitty731]

This thread is showing the worst of the RealGM boards. So many inaccurate things being said, or somewhat accurate being said without presenting context. Someone tries to be rational, and they get shouted down because people would rather come back here and say "Told ya!" than have a discussion.

Will the bubble idea work? Who knows? If the players are insistent about coming and going as they please, then it won't work.

Are cases up in Florida? Yup. Are they up in Orange County? Yup. But numbers in Orange County had been shockingly low. Are they up in the areas immediately surrounding Disney in southwest Orange County? Not substantially.

Will Disney be open for weeks before the NBA gets here? Outside of Disney Springs and some hotels (none of which will be used by the NBA), no. The Parks open July 11 and July 15. The NBA is scheduled to arrive in early July.

Does it matter if Disney is open? Not really. Walt Disney World is 39 square miles. That's twice the size of Manhattan and roughly the size of San Francisco. The hotels that the NBA will use are all fairly isolated, all with their own security at every entrance/exit point. The ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex is at the extreme south end of property, and isolated from the theme parks. There is roughly a quarter-mile driveway from the main road before you are even to their parking lot.

I know I wasted time typing this because no one is going to read it or care. But it's been bugging me how irresponsible some of you are with just throwing out random nonsense without anything to back it up.

[themoneyteam2]

Read on Twitter

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[hippesthippo]

Umm.. common folk have sex more than once every two months. Men in their twenties absolutely have sex more than once every 2 months.
Not exactly sure how you've been living, but it sounds like you're missing out on an activity that is vital for human health.

Really couldn't pass the opportunity to brag about having sex on the Internet? May be news to you but married folks and professionals are forced to go celibate when they travel for work all the time. This isn't a big deal for anyone with a basic level of maturity

In the case of many of these guys, especially the ones who frequently sleep around w/ groupies and prostitues, it’s probably much safer for them to be celibate. Both for their health and their finances.

Damn, I didn't realize I was conversing with an omnipotent being. You understand the motives of organizations you can't even name and the sexual habits of 450 people you've never met before.

Amazing. Any other useful tidbits you'd like to provide? If possible, could you tell me the winning MI Lotto numbers for the Daily 4 tonite?

[hippesthippo]

This thread is showing the worst of the RealGM boards. So many inaccurate things being said, or somewhat accurate being said without presenting context. Someone tries to be rational, and they get shouted down because people would rather come back here and say "Told ya!" than have a discussion.

Will the bubble idea work? Who knows? If the players are insistent about coming and going as they please, then it won't work.

Are cases up in Florida? Yup. Are they up in Orange County? Yup. But numbers in Orange County had been shockingly low. Are they up in the areas immediately surrounding Disney in southwest Orange County? Not substantially.

Will Disney be open for weeks before the NBA gets here? Outside of Disney Springs and some hotels (none of which will be used by the NBA), no. The Parks open July 11 and July 15. The NBA is scheduled to arrive in early July.

Does it matter if Disney is open? Not really. Walt Disney World is 39 square miles. That's twice the size of Manhattan and roughly the size of San Francisco. The hotels that the NBA will use are all fairly isolated, all with their own security at every entrance/exit point. The ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex is at the extreme south end of property, and isolated from the theme parks. There is roughly a quarter-mile driveway from the main road before you are even to their parking lot.

I know I wasted time typing this because no one is going to read it or care. But it's been bugging me how irresponsible some of you are with just throwing out random nonsense without anything to back it up.

You didn't waste your time.

[HotRocks34]

Are cases up in Florida? Yup. Are they up in Orange County? Yup. But numbers in Orange County had been shockingly low. Are they up in the areas immediately surrounding Disney in southwest Orange County? Not substantially.

True. I did a detailed analysis of the numbers in Orange County (Orlando) and Osceola County (where ESPN facility in Disney actually lies) here not too long ago. See posts #73 and #76:

viewtopic.php?t=1965462&start=60


I agree that the stats on Orlando posted by me (tweet by Tim Reynolds) was an out-of-context cheap shot. As you said, Orange County and Osceola County have done well, overall.

Hopefully the virus will stay mostly "contained" as things unfold if the NBA returns down there. The virus seems to be creeping up a bit towards central Florida even as it is apparently receding in south Florida.

[Johnny Bball]

Americans are still dying at an alarming rate.

This is for the most part not true at all. Not even remotely true.

Clueless.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[levon]

Was there really no other place to do this? How much of this was throwing a bone to ESPN's parent conglomerate versus actual logistical concerns?

I feel like if they truly put personnel health first, they wouldn't be doing this in such a stupid state where the citizens have been roaming freely since early on yet if a player or hell, camera person steps outside they're at risk of losing their job.

Name a more isolated place with the ability to stage that many games and house that many people while keeping them isolated from the rest of the world? I'm not sure that other place exists.

I'm not sure they should be playing, but if they are going to, this is by far the most logical, safest location to do so.

How isolated is Disney World from the rest of the world, given the staff required to carry out logistics and production for this thing to resume? More importantly, why does this matter if leaving and re-entry is going to be policed anyway?

I don't know. I hate to see a member of production lose pay or their job entirely to visit an ailing mother or something, all to stage Suns-Grizzlies or something stupid like that (not that all of this isn't absurd). Imo this should be done in a location that has next to zero cases, and personnel should be allowed to leave as long as they're tested upon re-entry.