Haberstroh says "Good luck getting players/coaches fully on board with [vaccines]"

[Purdydrup]

Was the cause of death actually the vaccine or did 12 people that took the vaccine die in December? Because if it's the former, misinformation like that is why this pandemic has been increasingly difficult to manage.

Is every reported covid death from covid or is it something else that killed them? Because if it's the latter, misinformation like that is why people are skeptical over this pandemic. Just playing devil's advocate here

The US saw 334,000 more deaths in 2020 than in 2019 and had the highest death rate per 1,000 people since 1949...So even if some deaths had multiple contributing factors..something came about that killed hundreds of thousands of people more than the previous year. Its not a coincidence. Link and excerpt from the article is below.

https://usafacts.org/articles/preliminary-us-death-statistics-more-deaths-in-2020-than-2019-coronavirus-age-flu/

According to preliminary weekly data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) (as of January 6, 2021), 3,187,086 people died from all causes between January 1 and December 26, 2020. While this data is preliminary and is incomplete for at least the last eight weeks of reported data, it provides for useful context.

According to the same estimates, 2,852,609 people died in 2019, meaning at least 334,000 more people have died so far in 2020 than 2019, despite missing or incomplete data for October through December. Using the recent estimate of the 2020 population from the Census Bureau, the death rate so far in 2020 would be 9.7 deaths per 1,000, the highest death rate since 1949. However, the recent population estimate does not incorporate the results of the 2020 Census, which should improve the accuracy of the estimate.

I am only going to answer a few of these replies because I do not have time to try and inform every person who blindly follows their media outlets as gospel. You are entirely welcome to believe this virus is deadly and get the vaccine. That is YOUR choice.

The death/case counts are EXTREMELY SHADY. There is absolutely no reason to manipulate these totals to be higher than they really are, other than fear mongering.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

"Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.9 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of mentions for each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups."

This isn't simply a case of someone having an underlying issue being counted as a covid death. 94% of them had almost THREE serious medical issues on average. 6% of these people died of covid alone. How does your 334 000 number look in comparison now?

https://coronanews123.wordpress.com/2020/12/28/cdc-200000-deaths-reported-as-covid-may-be-flu-heart-attack-poison-or-gunshot-primary-cause/

"CDC DATA: 200,000 “COVID DEATHS” MAY ACTUALLY BE FLU, HEART ATTACKS, POISON, OR GUNSHOT"

For all intensive purposes, stick to your beliefs. Keep thinking the government is locking down provinces for your own good when millions of people die each year of lung cancer and obesity. Keep believing in your heads that the government is doing this for your "protection".

[dribble1614]

i got vaccinated as did many of my coworkers and family members/friends. all did fine. zero issues with dose 1 and very mild, self-resolving symptoms (improved with tylenol and fluids) after dose 2.

anti-vaxxers are unintelligent people.

[MoochieNorris]

I thought the NBA was supposed to be woke. Doesn't woke entail taking Covid seriously, i.e. getting vaccinated?

woke means using the narrative to your advantage when and ONLY when it suits you

[gorz]

Many people commenting here clearly do not understand the very basics of vaccine science.

The goal is herd immunity. There are various numbers thrown around on this and much more research is needed but the general concept is as follows.

Once enough people in a population have immunity the virus can no longer spread.

So for example once 75% of the population is vaccinated the virus can no longer be spread through a community.

This is the goal. Herd immunity is the goal and for this reason getting vaccinated is in no way simply a personal decision. This is how we beat the virus. Please be part of the solution.

Wrong. The "pandemic" has been going on for how long now? 9 months or more if you include dating back from fall 2019. If you have left the house or some member has left the house and came back in the house chances are you have already been exposed to it. Most ppl that have tested "positive" of covid which is a faulty test to begin with have already recovered ranging from mild to even severe symptoms. Of the entire population that have been exposed to covid less than 1% has died from it. While a new rushed vaccine that has not been clinically tested thru extensive trials over short and long term side effects presents an even greater risk of potential dangers than the virus itself. 75% herd immunity? I heard 80% even as high as 90% its an arbitrary number came up by the "scientific community" just like wirg the implementation of the "6ft" social distance rule. 6ft social distancing is not a scientifically calculated precise number that ensures reasonable amount of precaution and safety from contracting the virus spread its just an arbitrary number. The fluid particles from an "infected" individual can spread much much father distance than 6ft space between individuals. This is about conditioning the masses for compliance. Shutting down society and keeping them on lockdowns bc of a tiny minority percentage of covid positive individuals is the equivalent of banning driving cars bc of the annual traffic mortaliies due to drunk driving or text while driving. Most humans are morally responsible enough and socially aware to keep themselves self quarantined for their fellow man in the event the symptoms of covid manifest. Like I stated before unless you have not left the house at all for the past 9 months chances are the rest of population who have been shopping or eaving house to go to work have already been exposed to asymptomatic indivuduals. 99% of which survived. The statistic of less than 1% who have passed was also inflated w/ ppl from underlying health conditions. Deaths from influenza cancer heart disease diabetes didnt suddenly vanish bc of covid. The elderly immune compromised were dying in the six figures each year. With the medias constant fear mongering those who present with regular flu like symptoms get paranoid thinking they have covid check themselves into the clinic or hospital. And of course with the faulty reader they test positive of covid and thus the hospital adds another false figure to add to their rising infected covid cases perpetuating the fear mongering cycle from the msm.

[Da ThRONe]

Many people commenting here clearly do not understand the very basics of vaccine science.

The goal is herd immunity. There are various numbers thrown around on this and much more research is needed but the general concept is as follows.

Once enough people in a population have immunity the virus can no longer spread.

So for example once 75% of the population is vaccinated the virus can no longer be spread through a community.

This is the goal. Herd immunity is the goal and for this reason getting vaccinated is in no way simply a personal decision. This is how we beat the virus. Please be part of the solution.

How do we reach herd immunity from a vaccine that has not been proven to prevent infection or transmission?

[SF_Warriors]

Is every reported covid death from covid or is it something else that killed them? Because if it's the latter, misinformation like that is why people are skeptical over this pandemic. Just playing devil's advocate here

The US saw 334,000 more deaths in 2020 than in 2019 and had the highest death rate per 1,000 people since 1949...So even if some deaths had multiple contributing factors..something came about that killed hundreds of thousands of people more than the previous year. Its not a coincidence. Link and excerpt from the article is below.

https://usafacts.org/articles/preliminary-us-death-statistics-more-deaths-in-2020-than-2019-coronavirus-age-flu/

According to preliminary weekly data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) (as of January 6, 2021), 3,187,086 people died from all causes between January 1 and December 26, 2020. While this data is preliminary and is incomplete for at least the last eight weeks of reported data, it provides for useful context.

According to the same estimates, 2,852,609 people died in 2019, meaning at least 334,000 more people have died so far in 2020 than 2019, despite missing or incomplete data for October through December. Using the recent estimate of the 2020 population from the Census Bureau, the death rate so far in 2020 would be 9.7 deaths per 1,000, the highest death rate since 1949. However, the recent population estimate does not incorporate the results of the 2020 Census, which should improve the accuracy of the estimate.

I am only going to answer a few of these replies because I do not have time to try and inform every person who blindly follows their media outlets as gospel. You are entirely welcome to believe this virus is deadly and get the vaccine. That is YOUR choice.

The death/case counts are EXTREMELY SHADY. There is absolutely no reason to manipulate these totals to be higher than they really are, other than fear mongering.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities

"Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.9 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of mentions for each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups."

This isn't simply a case of someone having an underlying issue being counted as a covid death. 94% of them had almost THREE serious medical issues on average. 6% of these people died of covid alone. How does your 334 000 number look in comparison now?

https://coronanews123.wordpress.com/2020/12/28/cdc-200000-deaths-reported-as-covid-may-be-flu-heart-attack-poison-or-gunshot-primary-cause/

"CDC DATA: 200,000 “COVID DEATHS” MAY ACTUALLY BE FLU, HEART ATTACKS, POISON, OR GUNSHOT"

For all intensive purposes, stick to your beliefs. Keep thinking the government is locking down provinces for your own good when millions of people die each year of lung cancer and obesity. Keep believing in your heads that the government is doing this for your "protection".

So a nation just randomly has over 330,000 more deaths than the previous year? There were sooo many extra flu, poison, gun deaths that increased mortality in the USA enough to have the worst death rate since the 1940s? How stupid can you be?

Keep in mind, that is 334,000 excess deaths than the previous year with data ending on 12/26. So if 3,000+ americans are dying daily from any type of cause, that is 350,000 excess deaths in one year. How are so many more people dying this year than any of the past decade, and by hundreds of thousands??

[Curmudgeon]

This is not rocket science. If you want to play in the NBA, get vaccinated. Otherwise, we're sending you home. We'll keep paying you to keep the union happy, but we aren't going to risk that you could infect other players. Those other players also have rights to have their health protected.

And when you become a free agent, either get vaccinated or go to Europe. No exceptions.

[Heej]

i got vaccinated as did many of my coworkers and family members/friends. all did fine. zero issues with dose 1 and very mild, self-resolving symptoms (improved with tylenol and fluids) after dose 2.

anti-vaxxers are unintelligent people.

I hope you understand that this is real life where things are not black and white. Everything exists on a spectrum. The people who ask for more rigorous long term testing and the ones who believe there are mind control substances being injected into people would all fall under your umbrella of "anti-vax" while existing on completely opposite ends of the spectrum. We need more opposing viewpoints in this world, otherwise there would be no challenges necessitating improvement to the modern paradigm. May I remind you that the same people you would refer to as anti-vaxxers 50 years ago are the ones responsible for the US no longer using live attenuated polio virus in it's polio vaccines and now we don't have to worry about US citizens getting paralyzed after taking the polio vaccine. Unfortunately countries in Africa are the ones getting wrecked by it now because apparently people just can't learn from other's mistakes, they insist on learning from their own.

[CS707]

My work place just got the go ahead to get our staff vaccinated and I was really surprised at the amount of people that opted out.

There are a few obvious ones but the vast majority you'd never have guessed would be fearful of it.

[Sofia]

Anyone who is considering getting an experimental vaccine that has never been used before and only was approved due to an emergency order because of the "pandemic", should really take a step back and do their own research on the matter.

The fact is we don't even have short term data, let along long term data of the potential side effects. Our immune system has over a 99% chance of fighting the virus itself and virtually no one under the age of 70 that is healthy is facing any real consequences from it.

I have literally seen forums of people posting side effects far worse than anything the virus can do and they are literally happy about it. This is not normal. Stay safe folks. If something seems fishy, it probably is.

No! No no no.

Doctors, scientists and epidemiologists have trained and have decades of knowledge and experience in this type of research.

Some barista or door greeter or plumber who thinks they can come along and “do their own research” in a few hours and be just as qualified to have a different opinion to the experts is not only wrong, they’re an ass hole

[lamscott]

The NBA can force the players to take the vaccine. I don't think that will go over well.

[lamscott]

Anyone who is considering getting an experimental vaccine that has never been used before and only was approved due to an emergency order because of the "pandemic", should really take a step back and do their own research on the matter.

The fact is we don't even have short term data, let along long term data of the potential side effects. Our immune system has over a 99% chance of fighting the virus itself and virtually no one under the age of 70 that is healthy is facing any real consequences from it.

I have literally seen forums of people posting side effects far worse than anything the virus can do and they are literally happy about it. This is not normal. Stay safe folks. If something seems fishy, it probably is.

No! No no no.

Doctors, scientists and epidemiologists have trained and have decades of knowledge and experience in this type of research.

Some barista or door greeter or plumber who thinks they can come along and “do their own research” in a few hours and be just as qualified to have a different opinion to the experts is not only wrong, they’re an ass hole

Lol. So True.

[peZt]

Was the cause of death actually the vaccine or did 12 people that took the vaccine die in December? Because if it's the former, misinformation like that is why this pandemic has been increasingly difficult to manage.

Is every reported covid death from covid or is it something else that killed them? Because if it's the latter, misinformation like that is why people are skeptical over this pandemic. Just playing devil's advocate here

The US saw 334,000 more deaths in 2020 than in 2019 and had the highest death rate per 1,000 people since 1949...So even if some deaths had multiple contributing factors..something came about that killed hundreds of thousands of people more than the previous year. Its not a coincidence. Link and excerpt from the article is below.

https://usafacts.org/articles/preliminary-us-death-statistics-more-deaths-in-2020-than-2019-coronavirus-age-flu/

According to preliminary weekly data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) (as of January 6, 2021), 3,187,086 people died from all causes between January 1 and December 26, 2020. While this data is preliminary and is incomplete for at least the last eight weeks of reported data, it provides for useful context.

According to the same estimates, 2,852,609 people died in 2019, meaning at least 334,000 more people have died so far in 2020 than 2019, despite missing or incomplete data for October through December. Using the recent estimate of the 2020 population from the Census Bureau, the death rate so far in 2020 would be 9.7 deaths per 1,000, the highest death rate since 1949. However, the recent population estimate does not incorporate the results of the 2020 Census, which should improve the accuracy of the estimate.

Add to that that during multiple lockdowns you would naturally have fewer deaths. Fewer traffic accidents, fewer flu victims, fewer work accidents etc. So you would think that the death tolls would be lower than in a year with no lockdown. The fact that they are higher by 300 thousand, similiar to the number of corona deaths, shows clearly that people die from Corona and not with.

Same situation in Germany, more deaths than ever, despite multiple lockdowns. And the december death toll isn't even included yet, which saw the highest corona deaths in Germany in 2020

I'm gonna be completely honest, I was one of those guys who were questioning wether the official corona death tolls were exaggerated. But any doubts should be cleared by now

[NBA Sheady]

Anyone who is considering getting an experimental vaccine that has never been used before and only was approved due to an emergency order because of the "pandemic", should really take a step back and do their own research on the matter.

The fact is we don't even have short term data

Please stop posting. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Using the Pfizer vaccine as an example:
Phase 1 Trial (complete)
Phase 2 Trial (complete)
Phase 3 Trial (complete)

The Phase 3 trial had 40K participants. That is short term data.

Where do you people get these ridiculous ideas? I mean honestly, ten seconds of googling would have shown you how incorrect that statement is.

Anyone who is considering getting an experimental

None of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines are experimental and it is incredibly irresponsible to call it that.

You are welcome to your opinion. You think a vaccine that was created in 9 months has already went through 3 major clinical trials? Sorry but I would love to see you source what you just said.

No problem. Glad to see you're open to learning.

Here are all 4 phases of studies. The vaccine was made in like 48hrs. This is what is so incredible about mRNA. We could have been vaccinating in March but there are processes that must be followed to ensure safety.

Pre-clinical (animal studies)
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.08.280818v1

Once the pre-clinical studies demonstrate safety and get reviewed they're allowed to start testing on humans (Phase 1)

Phase I/II study (These early phases use mostly young healthy individuals)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2639-4

PFIZER AND BIONTECH CONCLUDE PHASE 3 STUDY (This study had 40K participants instead of the regular 1-2K)

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

We have an absolute mountain of short-term data.

[Harry Garris]

US's history of drug experimentation on african americans is pretty disgusting. The government doesnt have the trust of the african american community, and im not sure why they should. It's on the government to make the people believe theyre worthy of that trust

This is the constant argument that I'm in with my very woke left family. Part of the anti covid movement is just straight up ignorance, but I think a large part of it that can't be discounted is a deep mistrust of the government. Which I completely get given the track record of the US government the past 75 years. Since WW2, the American people have been consistently lied to and manipulated over and over, the black community getting the worst of it.

It's just not as easy as writing off anti vaxers as "oh they're just stupid". There are plenty of stupid people in other countries that will happily do whatever they're told. In the US it's deeper than that. There is a deep rooted mistrust of authority by a lot of people whether on the right or the left.

Dont listen to the government, listen to your doctor. Every doctor will tell you the vaccine is good for you.

If you don't trust what the medical field is telling you, then it makes you sound like a conspirator to actually think that every doctor in the planet is going to go against medical science just to listen to what the government tells them.

Yes I know. I'm just trying to share what I understand of the perspective of an anti-vaxxer.

[NBA Sheady]

Many people commenting here clearly do not understand the very basics of vaccine science.

The goal is herd immunity. There are various numbers thrown around on this and much more research is needed but the general concept is as follows.

Once enough people in a population have immunity the virus can no longer spread.

So for example once 75% of the population is vaccinated the virus can no longer be spread through a community.

This is the goal. Herd immunity is the goal and for this reason getting vaccinated is in no way simply a personal decision. This is how we beat the virus. Please be part of the solution.

Wrong. The "pandemic" has been going on for how long now? 9 months or more if you include dating back from fall 2019. If you have left the house or some member has left the house and came back in the house chances are you have already been exposed to it. Most ppl that have tested "positive" of covid which is a faulty test to begin with have already recovered ranging from mild to even severe symptoms. Of the entire population that have been exposed to covid less than 1% has died from it.

This is absolutely false. In Canada the mortality rate is over 2%. If you think that it's sub 1% IN ANY COUNTRY please provide a source. You are spreading dangerous misinformation.

Many people commenting here clearly do not understand the very basics of vaccine science.

The goal is herd immunity. There are various numbers thrown around on this and much more research is needed but the general concept is as follows.

Once enough people in a population have immunity the virus can no longer spread.

So for example once 75% of the population is vaccinated the virus can no longer be spread through a community.

This is the goal. Herd immunity is the goal and for this reason getting vaccinated is in no way simply a personal decision. This is how we beat the virus. Please be part of the solution.

Wrong. The "pandemic" has been going on for how long now? 9 months or more if you include dating back from fall 2019. If you have left the house or some member has left the house and came back in the house chances are you have already been exposed to it. Most ppl that have tested "positive" of covid which is a faulty test to begin with have already recovered ranging from mild to even severe symptoms. Of the entire population that have been exposed to covid less than 1% has died from it. While a new rushed vaccine that has not been clinically tested thru extensive trials.

It has gone through pre-clincal, Phase 1, Phase 2 and Phase 3 trials. I posted them above if you want to read the actual studies.

Hint: There is no Phase 4

These vaccines have gone through every single test that any other vaccine goes through. You are spreading dangerous misinformation.

[NBA Sheady]

Many people commenting here clearly do not understand the very basics of vaccine science.

The goal is herd immunity. There are various numbers thrown around on this and much more research is needed but the general concept is as follows.

Once enough people in a population have immunity the virus can no longer spread.

So for example once 75% of the population is vaccinated the virus can no longer be spread through a community.

This is the goal. Herd immunity is the goal and for this reason getting vaccinated is in no way simply a personal decision. This is how we beat the virus. Please be part of the solution.

How do we reach herd immunity from a vaccine that has not been proven to prevent infection or transmission?

The Moderna vaccine is 94.1% effective. What do you think that number refers to?

[Ducklett]

Please stop posting. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Using the Pfizer vaccine as an example:
Phase 1 Trial (complete)
Phase 2 Trial (complete)
Phase 3 Trial (complete)

The Phase 3 trial had 40K participants. That is short term data.

Where do you people get these ridiculous ideas? I mean honestly, ten seconds of googling would have shown you how incorrect that statement is.




None of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines are experimental and it is incredibly irresponsible to call it that.

You are welcome to your opinion. You think a vaccine that was created in 9 months has already went through 3 major clinical trials? Sorry but I would love to see you source what you just said.

No problem. Glad to see you're open to learning.

Here are all 4 phases of studies. The vaccine was made in like 48hrs. This is what is so incredible about mRNA. We could have been vaccinating in March but there are processes that must be followed to ensure safety.

Pre-clinical (animal studies)
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.08.280818v1

Once the pre-clinical studies demonstrate safety and get reviewed they're allowed to start testing on humans (Phase 1)

Phase I/II study (These early phases use mostly young healthy individuals)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2639-4

PFIZER AND BIONTECH CONCLUDE PHASE 3 STUDY (This study had 40K participants instead of the regular 1-2K)

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

We have an absolute mountain of short-term data.

I am not going to say you are right or wrong, I just have a question: Isn't it true most vaccine testing takes somewhere from 2 to 7 years to look for long-term side effects? Example: the Gardasil lawsuit?

[JayMKE]

If you’re not part of the risk groups you don’t need to worry about the vaccine, it doesn’t stop you from getting

The Moderna vaccine is 94.1% effective. What do you think that number refers to?

Not transmission

[NBA Sheady]

You are welcome to your opinion. You think a vaccine that was created in 9 months has already went through 3 major clinical trials? Sorry but I would love to see you source what you just said.

No problem. Glad to see you're open to learning.

Here are all 4 phases of studies. The vaccine was made in like 48hrs. This is what is so incredible about mRNA. We could have been vaccinating in March but there are processes that must be followed to ensure safety.

Pre-clinical (animal studies)
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.09.08.280818v1

Once the pre-clinical studies demonstrate safety and get reviewed they're allowed to start testing on humans (Phase 1)

Phase I/II study (These early phases use mostly young healthy individuals)

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2639-4

PFIZER AND BIONTECH CONCLUDE PHASE 3 STUDY (This study had 40K participants instead of the regular 1-2K)

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-conclude-phase-3-study-covid-19-vaccine

We have an absolute mountain of short-term data.

I am not going to say you are right or wrong, I just have a question: Isn't it true most vaccine testing takes somewhere from 2 to 7 years to look for long-term side effects? Example: the Gardasil lawsuit?

It's not the testing that takes years it's normally the development. Most of these formal vaccine trials are 4-8 weeks. So if you get good results and the safety data looks good you can actually get through them pretty quickly as we're seeing now. The other thing that often makes research take years is applying for funding. My wife is doing a PhD and I see her spending hours writing up proposals. They go back and forth for months and months.

You have to understand that research on Coronavirus vaccines started in 2002. But 18 years ago there weren't many cases so nobody wanted to put any money into it.

Then we had MERS and SARS and they died out pretty quickly so the vaccine research for those diseases didn't get funded either.

Scientists are saying there is no way we would have a vaccine this quickly for COVID if not for those decades of prior research.