Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs?

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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#182 » by leolozon » Sat Jan 30, 2021 1:09 pm

Honestly, they are playing badly, but covid and scheduling did mess them up. Think about it.

They were coming together and then 5 guys had to go in isolation. Now these guys are coming back and they need some time, but they play the hottest team in the league 2 games in a row and now a back to back... So they get on a losing streak and they lose confidence, riffs start happening.

What if they played the Wolves 2 games in a row instead?

I also think that KP coming back isn't helping the team at all, they are worst whenever he's out there. They were finding an identity without him. If winning is the most important thing, they should play him 20 minutes until he gets back to the player he was (or not).

And last in 3pt shooting... It's a major problem considering what you need around Luka.
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Post#183 » by oldshoolballer » Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:34 pm

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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#184 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:39 pm

boogiezen wrote:Some of the takes here are terrible, even comparing Luka to Westbrook. Lol. First, Luka won a title in Real Madrid where he wasn't bringing the ball. He can play off ball!!!! But the system that Carlisle/Dallas put in the last two years were design for Luka. What about change it and put a real PG instead!



You probably shouldn't call other takes terrible and then propose as a solution moving Luka Doncic off ball. Just saying. :D
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#185 » by Scalabrine » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:31 pm

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DFS isn't a solid starter.


you watch more than me so you'd know better but I felt like he was last year. Plus Defensively, above average 3 point shooter (37.6% on 4.3 attempts), efficient offensively (59.5ts%, 10.8 to%). His winshares per 48 was .11, and his vorp was 0.9, which isn't earth shattering, but it proves that he's a plus player.

I'd love to hear further explanation from someone who watches him ore than me...


He's a swiss army knife of a forward that you can stick in at any forward position/role and he'll be reasonably productive and a net positive. He can also guard bigger guards, does a lot of little things and is a positive locker room presence. His contract is also super cheap, he gets like 4m per year. Great bang per buck really, any team could use a player like him, even contenders. Mavs are lucky to have him.

But he's not a player you can count on to consistently produce at a starter level. Let's just put it like this, he might win a game or two during the season or even in the playoffs by hitting key shots or scoring 20 points that single game, but if DFS hitting key shots is your gameplan, your team is in serious doodoo. He's inconsistent, unable to create, mediocre at best in any single offensive skill and while not bad defensively, he's not an elite stopper either. He can fill the specialist role in the starting lineup, but can't be relied on to be a key proponent of the teams offensive success. Thus, he's not a solid starter, but a good rotation piece.


Very fair and I agree. His ceiling is maybe a 4th starter, but he's at his best as a 7th-8th man. At 4 million, thats fair value, though. The fact that Mavs have him as their starter kind of speaks perfectly to their issues. Outside of Luka and KP, they really don't have anyone who is above average. Factor in KP not being reliable and they are in a really tough position. Luckily they still have plenty of time to build around Luka, but man, they really wasted the opportunity to capitalize on him being the most underpaid player in the league.
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#186 » by Statlanta » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:35 pm

Honestly the Mavericks are very fortunate. They shouldn’t have made the playoffs last year had GS, SAS and POR been healthy.

Luckily Memphis isn’t a projected playoff team, hasn’t played their share of games due to COVID-19 and will likely fade
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#187 » by Scalabrine » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:41 pm

Statlanta wrote:Honestly the Mavericks are very fortunate. They shouldn’t have made the playoffs last year had GS, SAS and POR been healthy.

Luckily Memphis isn’t a projected playoff team, hasn’t played their share of games due to COVID-19 and will likely fade


I dont think Memphis is fading dude. If anything, JJj and Winslow are about to be healthy and they will be even better. Theyve won 5 in a row.
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#188 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Jan 30, 2021 4:43 pm

Statlanta wrote:Honestly the Mavericks are very fortunate. They shouldn’t have made the playoffs last year had GS, SAS and POR been healthy.

Luckily Memphis isn’t a projected playoff team, hasn’t played their share of games due to COVID-19 and will likely fade


Golden State benefited lots of teams. Portland was a playoff team. Not sold the Spurs were a playoff team regardless though I've certainly learned not to count them out.

I don't know that lucky is exactly the right word. I mean they were a full 8 games north of 9th. That's a significant margin.

Dallas is struggling right now and deserve all the criticism they are getting all over this board, but to attempt to retroactively take it back to last year when they were a legit good team (6th in SRS over the entire league not just the West) is not it.
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#189 » by Illuminatos » Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:00 pm

boogiezen wrote:Some of the takes here are terrible, even comparing Luka to Westbrook. Lol. First, Luka won a title in Real Madrid where he wasn't bringing the ball. He can play off ball!!!! But the system that Carlisle/Dallas put in the last two years were design for Luka. What about change it and put a real PG instead!

“Even comparing Luka to Westbrook.”

Let’s not get disrespectful here. Westbrook is an MVP and 9x NBA All-Star along with multiple All-NBA teams under his belt.
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#190 » by ADMVP » Sat Jan 30, 2021 6:38 pm

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boogiezen wrote:Some of the takes here are terrible, even comparing Luka to Westbrook. Lol. First, Luka won a title in Real Madrid where he wasn't bringing the ball. He can play off ball!!!! But the system that Carlisle/Dallas put in the last two years were design for Luka. What about change it and put a real PG instead!

“Even comparing Luka to Westbrook.”

Let’s not get disrespectful here. Westbrook is an MVP and 9x NBA All-Star along with multiple All-NBA teams under his belt.
And a finals appearance.

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Post#191 » by reignfire » Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:27 pm

What the Mavs need is a banger. Toughness. Torrey Craig would have been a nice pick-up for wing defense.

But yeah they need a big man enforcer in the paint. Currently they are too soft.
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Post#192 » by MrOrange » Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:53 pm

What often gets overlooked on those Mavs threads is that they may be missing Delon Wright even more than Seth Curry. The team did not improve during the offseason, C19, injuries or not. And the offence has been a shadow of what it was last season.
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#193 » by Dirk » Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:57 pm

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mercgold3 wrote:Different situations.

KP is a bad contract because he can't stay heathy.

Is not because of his level of play which the injuries played a important role in delaying his development.


So confused right now. In the post I responded to you had KP as a positive but stated Dallas has really bad contracts plural there. Curious I guess who you are referring to?

I don't think Powell was ever a useful player. Not even before the injuries and not after of course.

That's the worst contract in that roster IMO. After that i really don't see a lot of bad contracts tbh.

Not even KP.
With the hope he can stay healthy.

PS: My mistake for talking about a couple of bad contracts. Is just one.


Dwight Powell had one of the best offensive rating on the team and the league for like two seasons. That is useful.

He played great with Barea off the bench before. He did the same with Luka.

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When he went down with the injury, many Mavs fans were more accepting of the contract because he was playing well enough.

Having suffered a devastating injury, it's unlikely if he'll ever get back to his best level --- which, again, was super useful. A Powell pnr was easy offense. Top of the league.
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Post#194 » by Swish1906 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 7:59 pm

Statlanta wrote:Honestly the Mavericks are very fortunate. They shouldn’t have made the playoffs last year had GS, SAS and POR been healthy.

Luckily Memphis isn’t a projected playoff team, hasn’t played their share of games due to COVID-19 and will likely fade


Because the Mavs were healthy, huh... :noway:

Luka and KP missed combined 32 games
Lost Powell as starting center half way through the season
Lost their backup PG Brunson in february, also season ending
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#195 » by BostonCouchGM » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:21 pm

turns out when you have a stat padder who shoots 30% from three, is among the league leaders in turnovers and is among the worst defenders in the entire league which negates his offense, you're going to lose games in the NBA. But sure, blame everyone else but Wonderboy
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#196 » by phx#7 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:24 pm

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boogiezen wrote:Some of the takes here are terrible, even comparing Luka to Westbrook. Lol. First, Luka won a title in Real Madrid where he wasn't bringing the ball. He can play off ball!!!! But the system that Carlisle/Dallas put in the last two years were design for Luka. What about change it and put a real PG instead!



You probably shouldn't call other takes terrible and then propose as a solution moving Luka Doncic off ball. Just saying. :D


I'm in favor of playing Luka off the ball. Mavs should start that tonight against the Suns!
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#197 » by Texas Chuck » Sat Jan 30, 2021 9:40 pm

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boogiezen wrote:Some of the takes here are terrible, even comparing Luka to Westbrook. Lol. First, Luka won a title in Real Madrid where he wasn't bringing the ball. He can play off ball!!!! But the system that Carlisle/Dallas put in the last two years were design for Luka. What about change it and put a real PG instead!



You probably shouldn't call other takes terrible and then propose as a solution moving Luka Doncic off ball. Just saying. :D


I'm in favor of playing Luka off the ball. Mavs should start that tonight against the Suns!


Move Mikal Bridges to the bench and its a deal. 8-)
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Re: Is Luka-Sorry, the Mavericks going to miss the playoffs? 

Post#198 » by TheBonzaiEffect » Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:46 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:turns out when you have a stat padder who shoots 30% from three, is among the league leaders in turnovers and is among the worst defenders in the entire league which negates his offense, you're going to lose games in the NBA. But sure, blame everyone else but Wonderboy


I know you're a troll (who somehow continues to get to troll without getting banned), but you're straight up lying about the defense).

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Post#199 » by Yuri36 » Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:58 pm

Tomjas wrote:Luka & KP are 2 of the most overhyped players in the NBA


Agree about KP but its total bullshite about Luka

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