2021-22 Rookie Thread

[The Moose]

can't even imagine how many 'Cade is a bust' threads we would be getting if Cade was playing like Jalen Green has this preseason

[basketballRob]

If I was the Rockets I'd just cut Wood and KPJ. I think both aren't winning players and they're going to take the bulk of the shots.

Suggs is in the same boat in Orlando. RJ, Harris, Ross, Cole, Moore all need shots. He tries to be unselfish and hand it off, but he doesn't get it back.

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[DNice68]

can't even imagine how many 'Cade is a bust' threads we would be getting if Cade was playing like Jalen Green has this preseason

This!

[duppyy]

can't even imagine how many 'Cade is a bust' threads we would be getting if Cade was playing like Jalen Green has this preseason

1st pick always has a target on his back.

[SupaManu]

Watching the game tonight Greens shot is pretty ugly

[penggemar]

Alpie top 5 rookie...

[BostonCouchGM]

these Jalen Green takes are cringe.

[Madhouse]

these Jalen Green takes are cringe.

nothing cringy about it. Jalen has struggled so far. That doesn't change what he can become.

[JPriest]

these Jalen Green takes are cringe.

nothing cringy about it. Jalen has struggled so far. That doesn't change what he can become.

yeah wth. it's no secret he needs to work on his body and bring other aspects to his game other than chucking 3s. nothing cringe about the criticism.

[GSWFan1994]

Watch on YouTube

10 - Sharife Cooper / Jalen Johnson
9 - Cam Thomas
8 - Scottie Barnes
7 - Josh Primo
6 - BJ Boston
5 - Evan Mobley
4 - Corey Kispert
3 - Jalen Green
2 - Keon Johnson
1 - James Bouknight

Enjoy!

[normgod6]

Averages for lottery picks in the preseason


Jalen Green - 13.3 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 2.8 APG on 34/23.1/83.3 splits in 4 games/28.1 Min

Evan Mobley - 8.4 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 1.6 APG on 43.9/25/62.5 splits in 5 games/25.5 Min

Scottie Barnes - 9.8 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 5.6 APG on 46.8/0/71.4 splits in 5 games/26.3 Min

Jalen Suggs - 5 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 3 APG on 27.3/20/33 splits in 3 games/22.6 Min

Josh Giddey - 13.5 PPG, 7 RPG, 5 APG on 52.3/40/57.1 splits in 5 games/28.9 Min

Jonathon Kuminga - 4 PPG, 2 RPG, 0.5 APG on 37.5/0/50 splits in 2 games/8.7 Min

Franz Wagner - 4.5 PPG, 1.5 RPG, 1.8 APG on 26/28.6/100 splits in 4 games/22.6 Min

Davion Mitchell - 11.3 PPG, 2 RPG, 3.3 APG on 50/52.6/0 splits in 4 games/27.9 Min

Ziaire Williams - 8.2 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 1.8 APG on 32.5/18.8/80 splits in 5 games/22.8 Min

James Bouknight - 15.8 PPG, 2.5 RPG, 1 APG on 45/20/93.3 splits in 4 games/23.8 Min

Joshua Primo - 5.8 PPG, 1 RPG, 1.2 APG on 63.2/50/0 splits in 5 games/97 Min

Chris Duarte - 13.8 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 2.8 APG on 44.9/31.6/71.4 splits in 4 games/23.1 Min

Moses Moody - 5 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 1.0 APG on 39.1/46.2/50 splits in 5 games/14.1 Min

Josh Giddey is looking like a steal at 6. Hes by far the best passer in the draft. Mobley also looking like a stud after a mediocre summer league.

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[Bruin]

Averages for lottery picks in the preseason


Jalen Green - 13.3 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 2.8 APG on 34/23.1/83.3 splits in 4 games/28.1 Min

Evan Mobley - 8.4 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 1.6 APG on 43.9/25/62.5 splits in 5 games/25.5 Min

Scottie Barnes - 9.8 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 5.6 APG on 46.8/0/71.4 splits in 5 games/26.3 Min

Jalen Suggs - 5 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 3 APG on 27.3/20/33 splits in 3 games/22.6 Min

Josh Giddey - 13.5 PPG, 7 RPG, 5 APG on 52.3/40/57.1 splits in 5 games/28.9 Min

Jonathon Kuminga - 4 PPG, 2 RPG, 0.5 APG on 37.5/0/50 splits in 2 games/8.7 Min

Franz Wagner - 4.5 PPG, 1.5 RPG, 1.8 APG on 26/28.6/100 splits in 4 games/22.6 Min

Davion Mitchell - 11.3 PPG, 2 RPG, 3.3 APG on 50/52.6/0 splits in 4 games/27.9 Min

Ziaire Williams - 8.2 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 1.8 APG on 32.5/18.8/80 splits in 5 games/22.8 Min

James Bouknight - 15.8 PPG, 2.5 RPG, 1 APG on 45/20/93.3 splits in 4 games/23.8 Min

Joshua Primo - 5.8 PPG, 1 RPG, 1.2 APG on 63.2/50/0 splits in 5 games/97 Min

Chris Duarte - 13.8 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 2.8 APG on 44.9/31.6/71.4 splits in 4 games/23.1 Min

Moses Moody - 5 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 1.0 APG on 39.1/46.2/50 splits in 5 games/14.1 Min

Josh Giddey is looking like a steal at 6. Hes by far the best passer in the draft. Mobley also looking like a stud after a mediocre summer league.

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Can we really say Giddey is by far the best passer in the draft when we haven’t seen Cade yet and Scottie averaged more assists in less minutes and with less usage?

Not saying Scottie is a better passer but I think there’s definitely an argument is there for him and there’s no “by far best passer”

[bstein14]

Green was supposed to be the most NBA Ready because of the G League. I feel like he is going to put up points this year because of his athleticism and shots he gets but he is likely going to be really inefficient offensively.

[DroseReturnChi]

can't even imagine how many 'Cade is a bust' threads we would be getting if Cade was playing like Jalen Green has this preseason

well not even playing preseason hurts more and looks like he wont play october. i wouldnt be shocked if he got the wiseman treatement. green was supposed to raw like edwards so expect him to play like a bust before he figures out. cade not so much he was drafted for high floor and number 1 pick. im not going to condone cade busting as much as green in 1st yr. both are letdown deceiving their height by 2 full inches i expect a 7foot mobley to be the best player. was always wondering where is that all nba type all yr along.

[bkseven]

can't even imagine how many 'Cade is a bust' threads we would be getting if Cade was playing like Jalen Green has this preseason

well not even playing preseason hurts more and looks like he wont play october. i wouldnt be shocked if he got the wiseman treatement. green was supposed to raw like edwards so expect him to play like a bust before he figures out. cade not so much he was drafted for high floor and number 1 pick. im not going to condone cade busting as much as green in 1st yr. both are letdown deceiving their height by 2 full inches i expect a 7foot mobley to be the best player. was always wondering where is that all nba type all yr along.

I hardly check the NBA main forum but when I do… you don’t disappoint. Obsessed obsessed.

[Stickmann]

Averages for lottery picks in the preseason


Jalen Green - 13.3 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 2.8 APG on 34/23.1/83.3 splits in 4 games/28.1 Min

Evan Mobley - 8.4 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 1.6 APG on 43.9/25/62.5 splits in 5 games/25.5 Min

Scottie Barnes - 9.8 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 5.6 APG on 46.8/0/71.4 splits in 5 games/26.3 Min

Jalen Suggs - 5 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 3 APG on 27.3/20/33 splits in 3 games/22.6 Min

Josh Giddey - 13.5 PPG, 7 RPG, 5 APG on 52.3/40/57.1 splits in 5 games/28.9 Min

Jonathon Kuminga - 4 PPG, 2 RPG, 0.5 APG on 37.5/0/50 splits in 2 games/8.7 Min

Franz Wagner - 4.5 PPG, 1.5 RPG, 1.8 APG on 26/28.6/100 splits in 4 games/22.6 Min

Davion Mitchell - 11.3 PPG, 2 RPG, 3.3 APG on 50/52.6/0 splits in 4 games/27.9 Min

Ziaire Williams - 8.2 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 1.8 APG on 32.5/18.8/80 splits in 5 games/22.8 Min

James Bouknight - 15.8 PPG, 2.5 RPG, 1 APG on 45/20/93.3 splits in 4 games/23.8 Min

Joshua Primo - 5.8 PPG, 1 RPG, 1.2 APG on 63.2/50/0 splits in 5 games/97 Min

Chris Duarte - 13.8 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 2.8 APG on 44.9/31.6/71.4 splits in 4 games/23.1 Min

Moses Moody - 5 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 1.0 APG on 39.1/46.2/50 splits in 5 games/14.1 Min

Josh Giddey is looking like a steal at 6. Hes by far the best passer in the draft. Mobley also looking like a stud after a mediocre summer league.

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Can we really say Giddey is by far the best passer in the draft when we haven’t seen Cade yet and Scottie averaged more assists in less minutes and with less usage?

Not saying Scottie is a better passer but I think there’s definitely an argument is there for him and there’s no “by far best passer”

Yes we can lol. Even pre draft it was clear giddey is a much better passer than cade, cade isn’t even top 5 passer in the draft. Barnes is good but he doesn’t have the flair of giddey. The only one that compares is shariffe

[Bruin]

Averages for lottery picks in the preseason


Jalen Green - 13.3 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 2.8 APG on 34/23.1/83.3 splits in 4 games/28.1 Min

Evan Mobley - 8.4 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 1.6 APG on 43.9/25/62.5 splits in 5 games/25.5 Min

Scottie Barnes - 9.8 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 5.6 APG on 46.8/0/71.4 splits in 5 games/26.3 Min

Jalen Suggs - 5 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 3 APG on 27.3/20/33 splits in 3 games/22.6 Min

Josh Giddey - 13.5 PPG, 7 RPG, 5 APG on 52.3/40/57.1 splits in 5 games/28.9 Min

Jonathon Kuminga - 4 PPG, 2 RPG, 0.5 APG on 37.5/0/50 splits in 2 games/8.7 Min

Franz Wagner - 4.5 PPG, 1.5 RPG, 1.8 APG on 26/28.6/100 splits in 4 games/22.6 Min

Davion Mitchell - 11.3 PPG, 2 RPG, 3.3 APG on 50/52.6/0 splits in 4 games/27.9 Min

Ziaire Williams - 8.2 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 1.8 APG on 32.5/18.8/80 splits in 5 games/22.8 Min

James Bouknight - 15.8 PPG, 2.5 RPG, 1 APG on 45/20/93.3 splits in 4 games/23.8 Min

Joshua Primo - 5.8 PPG, 1 RPG, 1.2 APG on 63.2/50/0 splits in 5 games/97 Min

Chris Duarte - 13.8 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 2.8 APG on 44.9/31.6/71.4 splits in 4 games/23.1 Min

Moses Moody - 5 PPG, 2.2 RPG, 1.0 APG on 39.1/46.2/50 splits in 5 games/14.1 Min

Josh Giddey is looking like a steal at 6. Hes by far the best passer in the draft. Mobley also looking like a stud after a mediocre summer league.

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Can we really say Giddey is by far the best passer in the draft when we haven’t seen Cade yet and Scottie averaged more assists in less minutes and with less usage?

Not saying Scottie is a better passer but I think there’s definitely an argument is there for him and there’s no “by far best passer”

Yes we can lol. Even pre draft it was clear giddey is a much better passer than cade, cade isn’t even top 5 passer in the draft. Barnes is good but he doesn’t have the flair of giddey. The only one that compares is shariffe

“Flair” isn’t what makes a player a good passer lol. And Scottie has made several flashy passes as well anyways

What really matters is Assist/turnover ratio and advanced stats:
Scottie had 5.6 assists to 1.8 turnovers
Giddey had 5.0 assists to 2.2 turnovers

Scottie had 29.6 Ast% on 17.8% usg
Giddey had 29.9 Ast% on 21% usg


Based on this, Barnes is the better passer

[Stickmann]

Can we really say Giddey is by far the best passer in the draft when we haven’t seen Cade yet and Scottie averaged more assists in less minutes and with less usage?

Not saying Scottie is a better passer but I think there’s definitely an argument is there for him and there’s no “by far best passer”

Yes we can lol. Even pre draft it was clear giddey is a much better passer than cade, cade isn’t even top 5 passer in the draft. Barnes is good but he doesn’t have the flair of giddey. The only one that compares is shariffe

“Flair” isn’t what makes a player a good passer lol. And Scottie has made several flashy passes as well anyways

What really matters is Assist/turnover ratio and advanced stats:
Scottie had 5.6 assists to 1.8 turnovers
Giddey had 5.0 assists to 2.2 turnovers

Scottie had 29.6 Ast% on 17.8% usg
Giddey had 29.9 Ast% on 21% usg


Based on this, Barnes is the better passer

Turnovers aren't directly caused by bad passes and the quality of a pass doesn't mean it will lead to an assist. Team sport and all that. Using assist% and usage% to judge someone's passing is one of the stupidest thing i've seen.

[Stickmann]

Can we really say Giddey is by far the best passer in the draft when we haven’t seen Cade yet and Scottie averaged more assists in less minutes and with less usage?

Not saying Scottie is a better passer but I think there’s definitely an argument is there for him and there’s no “by far best passer”

Yes we can lol. Even pre draft it was clear giddey is a much better passer than cade, cade isn’t even top 5 passer in the draft. Barnes is good but he doesn’t have the flair of giddey. The only one that compares is shariffe

“Flair” isn’t what makes a player a good passer lol. And Scottie has made several flashy passes as well anyways

What really matters is Assist/turnover ratio and advanced stats:
Scottie had 5.6 assists to 1.8 turnovers
Giddey had 5.0 assists to 2.2 turnovers

Scottie had 29.6 Ast% on 17.8% usg
Giddey had 29.9 Ast% on 21% usg


Based on this, Barnes is the better passer

there's a good compilation of giddey's potential assists out there. Suggest you to check it out, and hopefully you'll realize that using straight up counting stats (and no, assist% and usg% aren't "advanced stats") to judging someone's passing is useless

[Bruin]

Yes we can lol. Even pre draft it was clear giddey is a much better passer than cade, cade isn’t even top 5 passer in the draft. Barnes is good but he doesn’t have the flair of giddey. The only one that compares is shariffe

“Flair” isn’t what makes a player a good passer lol. And Scottie has made several flashy passes as well anyways

What really matters is Assist/turnover ratio and advanced stats:
Scottie had 5.6 assists to 1.8 turnovers
Giddey had 5.0 assists to 2.2 turnovers

Scottie had 29.6 Ast% on 17.8% usg
Giddey had 29.9 Ast% on 21% usg


Based on this, Barnes is the better passer

Turnovers aren't directly caused by bad passes and the quality of a pass doesn't mean it will lead to an assist. Team sport and all that. Using assist% and usage% to judge someone's passing is one of the stupidest thing i've seen.

And yet using “flair” to judge someone’s passing over advanced stats isn’t stupid? Yeah ok ballboy