Steve Nash believes James Harden is unfairly treated by the new rules

[TheGreenArrow]

Yeah folks he’s cooked……

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[Galou]

To be completely honest, out of the foul baiting guards, Trae and Curry are way more egregious than Harden in jumping into player and/or touch fouls baiting.

Harden definitely is being targeted unfairly. If you can't see that you are not an objective fan and are just a straight up a hater. Curry, Morant, Trae are still living at the line this season pulling the same crap they pull every year.

And on the topic of non jump shooting fouls, Harden is literally getting hit and hacked without calls. This is the same type of fouls that FT leaders like Giannis, Davis, Butler gets.

You cannot have two sets of standards, one for Harden, another for the rest of the league.

Cry me a river.

[AussieCeltic]

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That last one is why I dislike him. He’s already beat Bam and just needs to go up with his off hand yet he tries to manipulate the refs and draw the foul. Great no call

[cdubbz]

James Harden took advantage of Adam Silvers NBA. The product became unwatchable. Smart decision

[KnicksGadfly]

The hatred for Harden is incredible. The Giannis/Curry stans are out in full force to defame the man, his game and livelihood. Pathetic really performing mental gymnastics to justify an narrative that only the deserving should shoot FT's and Harden foul baits and never gets fouled.

Bruh, it ain't just Giannis/Curry stans. No one liked Harden's previous style of fishing for fouls.

[NyKnicks1714]

I get all the sentiments, and the jokes write themselves, but do people really think there hasn't been collateral damage in the form of legitimate fouls being called at a lower rate? Say what you will about Harden, but when he gets fouled it needs to be called, regardless of his reputation.

[CIN-C-STAR]

I get all the sentiments, and the jokes write themselves, but do people really think there hasn't been collateral damage in the form of legitimate fouls being called at a lower rate? Say what you will about Harden, but when he gets fouled it needs to be called, regardless of his reputation.

There will always be legitimate fouls that go uncalled simply because refs are human and can't see everything. It's part of the game.
But when fouls are being called when there is no contact, or worse, because an offensive player initiated contact and flopped, that is inexcusable imo.
Refs should only call what they see, and if they're missing too many they should bring someone else in. But you can't have them out there just guessing.

[NyKnicks1714]

I get all the sentiments, and the jokes write themselves, but do people really think there hasn't been collateral damage in the form of legitimate fouls being called at a lower rate? Say what you will about Harden, but when he gets fouled it needs to be called, regardless of his reputation.

There will always be legitimate fouls that go uncalled simply because refs are human and can't see everything. It's part of the game.
But when fouls are being called when there is no contact, or worse, because an offensive player initiated contact and flopped, that is inexcusable imo.
Refs should only call what they see, and if they're missing too many they should bring someone else in. But you can't have them out there just guessing.

Of course, but I'm saying that because of the new rules, legitimate fouls are getting called at a lower rate than before.

[xdrta+]

To be completely honest, out of the foul baiting guards, Trae and Curry are way more egregious than Harden in jumping into player and/or touch fouls baiting.

There is nothing even close to honest about this statement.

[Wolfgang630]

The NBA has become a much better product.

[CIN-C-STAR]

I get all the sentiments, and the jokes write themselves, but do people really think there hasn't been collateral damage in the form of legitimate fouls being called at a lower rate? Say what you will about Harden, but when he gets fouled it needs to be called, regardless of his reputation.

There will always be legitimate fouls that go uncalled simply because refs are human and can't see everything. It's part of the game.
But when fouls are being called when there is no contact, or worse, because an offensive player initiated contact and flopped, that is inexcusable imo.
Refs should only call what they see, and if they're missing too many they should bring someone else in. But you can't have them out there just guessing.

Of course mbut I'm saying that because of the new rules, legitimate fouls are getting called at a lower rate than before.

Legitimate fouls go uncalled in every sport. I can live with it.
Can't stand the made up calls though. Rather err on the side of calling real fouls and incentivizing playing the game rather than incentivizing manipulating the refs or pampering certain players. Much better product.
Everyone agrees legit fouls should get called but don't expect perfection. Try to get buckets, not fouls, and it won't matter. That's the whole point of the game.

[dabonett]

It’s like targeting someone who travels a lot and made a career bulldozing defenders. With pure Fiba rule last 15 years would be different. Durant would be the best and Curry the second. The rest would be far

[SkyBill40]

Nash can believe whatever he wishes. The reality of it is that the league had enough of that crap and decided to cut its legs out. To date, it's been super effective and over 9000!

Seriously though, this is a LONG time coming and it a good move. Flailing around like a ragdoll on a shot that YOU initiate and try to sell it by jumping into the defender should have long been ignored. Or, better still, be called an offensive foul. There's no place for that kind of play.

[lambchop]

It’s like targeting someone who travels a lot and made a career bulldozing defenders. With pure Fiba rule last 15 years would be different. Durant would be the best and Curry the second. The rest would be far

Good players would adjust. The surprising thing with harden is that he cant seem to make the adjustment. He looks like a solid role player out there.

[tdotrep2]

I get all the sentiments, and the jokes write themselves, but do people really think there hasn't been collateral damage in the form of legitimate fouls being called at a lower rate? Say what you will about Harden, but when he gets fouled it needs to be called, regardless of his reputation.

probably, but hes the same dude whos gotten a cheap whistle based on stature and notoriety. The NBA doesn't officiate fairly, they never have. You ever hear ppl say he wont get that call he's a rookie? why would being a rookie matter, because its the NBA

[lambchop]

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That last one is why I dislike him. He’s already beat Bam and just needs to go up with his off hand yet he tries to manipulate the refs and draw the foul. Great no call

Yea that style of play wouldnt even be considered basketball anywhere outside the former nba. Most current nba players would get subbed out by their coaches, if they tried that kind of nonsense. If harden continues like this, he may very well go down as the first 100% manufactured star. But I think he has the talent to spend next summer working on how to attack the rim and how to score in the nba and then bounce back and be at least a fringe all star.

[pr0wler]

It’s like targeting someone who travels a lot and made a career bulldozing defenders. With pure Fiba rule last 15 years would be different. Durant would be the best and Curry the second. The rest would be far

Good players would adjust. The surprising thing with harden is he hasn't been able to make the adjustment so far after 6% of the season. He looks like a solid role player out there.

FYP

[The KnicksFix]

Hope they start calling it with Trae too

[nfmos]

The hatred for Harden is incredible. The Giannis/Curry stans are out in full force to defame the man, his game and livelihood. Pathetic really performing mental gymnastics to justify an narrative that only the deserving should shoot FT's and Harden foul baits and never gets fouled.

Yes, i do hate him, or more specifically, i hate his game, and i have no problem admitting that. Because i don't like players that try to trick the game, don't dedicate themselves like they should, and are arrogant and self serving. And then you act like being a Curry or Giannis stan is somehow a bad thing when those guys are humble as hell, always compliment and treat their opponents with respect, never trash their teammates, and lifted their teams to championships because of their hard work and loyalty to their teams and teammates? You can't even compare Harden and his leadership and play style to those guys because they never show up to the season out of shape and never quit on a team to force a trade. What sort of parent would rather their kid emulate Harden than Curry or Giannis?

At the end of the day if the refs are going to call less fouls in general, players are going to have to actually focus more on making the shots instead of just trying to draw a foul. So far, the rest of the league is adjusting, Harden has not. If he doesnt adjust, he has no one else to blame but himself. Like someone else said, if you took out the amount of calls, many questionable that he received, he just wasnt an efficient scorer. How many other players have had their efficiency propped up by free throws as much as Harden has? Now that he doesnt have the crutch, like everyone else in the league, can he still be efficient?