Ceiling of Evan Mobley

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Post#181 » by NRSV » Sun Dec 5, 2021 7:46 pm

Tim Duncan’s rookie season was after four years of college. Mobility’s is after one season in college. If he continues this trajectory, he will be right on track with Duncan in three years.
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Re: Ceiling of Evan Mobley 

Post#182 » by SK21209 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 7:56 pm

NRSV wrote:Tim Duncan’s rookie season was after four years of college. Mobility’s is after one season in college. If he continues this trajectory, he will be right on track with Duncan in three years.


What trajectory? He’s played great 20 NBA games, there is no trajectory. People always assume young players make significant and consistent strides forward every season. That rarely happens. Is Luka better this year than last? What about Tatum? How’s Zion’s trajectory?
KP’s trajectory was pretty sweet after his first couple of seasons. Literally everything being said about Mobley now was said about AD 8 years ago and now there’s a thread every week asking why he’s not better.

I hate that I have to be making this point because I love Mobley as a prospect but the overwhelming likelihood is that Mobley will never be as good as one of the 8 or so best players of all time, which is what Duncan is. That should be patently obvious.
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Re: Ceiling of Evan Mobley 

Post#183 » by NRSV » Sun Dec 5, 2021 8:05 pm

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NRSV wrote:Tim Duncan’s rookie season was after four years of college. Mobility’s is after one season in college. If he continues this trajectory, he will be right on track with Duncan in three years.


What trajectory? He’s played great 20 NBA games, there is no trajectory. People always assume young players make significant and consistent strides forward every season. That rarely happens. Is Luka better this year than last? What about Tatum? How’s Zion’s trajectory?
KP’s trajectory was pretty sweet after his first couple of seasons. Literally everything being said about Mobley now was said about AD 8 years ago and now there’s a thread every week asking why he’s not better.

I hate that I have to be making this point because I love Mobley as a prospect but the overwhelming likelihood is that Mobley will never be as good as one of the 8 or so best players of all time, which is what Duncan is. That should be patently obvious.

The trajectory is that he already has one of the Best defensive IQs in the league which he matches with special physical tools.

His ceiling at this point is almost entirely dictated by where his offense goes. He is already showing more offensive skills in his first season then he did in college. What we’re looking for are traits and demonstrable skills in game. He’s shooting threes. He’s taking guys off the dribble from the perimeter. He’s finding the extra pass. He’s a quality rim runner already. Now we look for refinement on a month-to-month basis. We look for him to start to accrue volume. Three 3PA per game instead of 2. Three isolations per game instead of one. Etc. The sky is the limit if he stays healthy. He’s already shown more willingness to do different things than Anthony Davis did at this point in his career. Refinement refinement refinement.
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Re: Ceiling of Evan Mobley 

Post#184 » by spanishninja » Sun Dec 5, 2021 8:38 pm

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Re: Ceiling of Evan Mobley 

Post#185 » by Jenga_tDot » Sun Dec 5, 2021 8:42 pm

he reminds me so much of KG
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Post#186 » by sisibilio » Sun Dec 5, 2021 8:57 pm

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NRSV wrote:Tim Duncan’s rookie season was after four years of college. Mobility’s is after one season in college. If he continues this trajectory, he will be right on track with Duncan in three years.


What trajectory? He’s played great 20 NBA games, there is no trajectory. People always assume young players make significant and consistent strides forward every season. That rarely happens. Is Luka better this year than last? What about Tatum? How’s Zion’s trajectory?
KP’s trajectory was pretty sweet after his first couple of seasons. Literally everything being said about Mobley now was said about AD 8 years ago and now there’s a thread every week asking why he’s not better.

I hate that I have to be making this point because I love Mobley as a prospect but the overwhelming likelihood is that Mobley will never be as good as one of the 8 or so best players of all time, which is what Duncan is. V That should be patently obvious.

The thing with Mobley is that he's physically very raw still, even if he didn't add anything else to his game that maturing alone will make a massive difference
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Re: Ceiling of Evan Mobley 

Post#187 » by 7r5ur » Sun Dec 5, 2021 10:15 pm

You really need to see how these guys develop in their first few season to have any idea. Every player develops or plateaus to widely varying degrees (from your Jimmy Butlers to your Ben Simmons). Some guys come in hitting the ground running from day 1, but don't show huge improvements over time.

KG definitely looks like a good comparison at a similar age, but we have to see Mobley's rate of improvement to see if he can come close to KG's prime. If I had to guess, I'd say he'll get close. Don't know that he has KG's leadership qualities in him though.
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Post#188 » by Heej » Sun Dec 5, 2021 11:38 pm

Someone said Evan Mobley runs like a velociraptor in the rookie thread and I'll never unsee it now. Dudes such a weird physical specimen. The stiffest hips I've ever seen on someone that agile and coordinated.
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Re: Ceiling of Evan Mobley 

Post#189 » by Cavsfansince84 » Sun Dec 5, 2021 11:41 pm

BDM22 wrote:You really need to see how these guys develop in their first few season to have any idea. Every player develops or plateaus to widely varying degrees (from your Jimmy Butlers to your Ben Simmons). Some guys come in hitting the ground running from day 1, but don't show huge improvements over time.

KG definitely looks like a good comparison at a similar age, but we have to see Mobley's rate of improvement to see if he can come close to KG's prime. If I had to guess, I'd say he'll get close. Don't know that he has KG's leadership qualities in him though.


Not everyone sees Minny era KG as having good leadership skills though.
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Re: Ceiling of Evan Mobley 

Post#190 » by NRSV » Sun Dec 5, 2021 11:43 pm

Is it a surprise leadership isn’t really a thing you hear about until players are on good teams? Lol

Don’t hear much about Jordan’s leadership back in the first round exit days.
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Post#191 » by Clay Davis » Sun Dec 5, 2021 11:45 pm

Remember when everyone thought Andre Drummond had GOAT potential. Good times

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Post#192 » by 7r5ur » Mon Dec 6, 2021 12:16 am

NRSV wrote:Is it a surprise leadership isn’t really a thing you hear about until players are on good teams? Lol

Don’t hear much about Jordan’s leadership back in the first round exit days.

It's more his quiet and soft spoken nature doesn't project that at the moment. I suppose he could grow out of that, but KG and MJ were different in that regard.

Anyways, that certainly isn't a requirement.... Tim Duncan.
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Post#193 » by Pantsman » Mon Dec 6, 2021 1:25 am

Clay Davis wrote:Remember when everyone thought Andre Drummond had GOAT potential. Good times

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I don’t remember anyone saying this. He never showed an ounce of offensive skill aside from dunking and no defense expert shot blocking.
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Post#194 » by dkb965 » Mon Dec 6, 2021 2:14 am

Anthony Davis level of player.
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Post#195 » by Balls Deep » Mon Dec 6, 2021 2:26 am

I must not see the hype, looks like Chris Bosh to me.
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Re: Ceiling of Evan Mobley 

Post#196 » by Marcus » Mon Dec 6, 2021 9:17 pm

Heej wrote:Someone said Evan Mobley runs like a velociraptor in the rookie thread and I'll never unsee it now. Dudes such a weird physical specimen. The stiffest hips I've ever seen on someone that agile and coordinated.


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Re: Ceiling of Evan Mobley 

Post#197 » by Heej » Mon Dec 6, 2021 10:04 pm

Marcus wrote:
Heej wrote:Someone said Evan Mobley runs like a velociraptor in the rookie thread and I'll never unsee it now. Dudes such a weird physical specimen. The stiffest hips I've ever seen on someone that agile and coordinated.


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Re: Ceiling of Evan Mobley 

Post#198 » by GreatWhiteStiff » Mon Dec 6, 2021 10:17 pm

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NRSV wrote:Tim Duncan’s rookie season was after four years of college. Mobility’s is after one season in college. If he continues this trajectory, he will be right on track with Duncan in three years.


What trajectory? He’s played great 20 NBA games, there is no trajectory. People always assume young players make significant and consistent strides forward every season. That rarely happens. Is Luka better this year than last? What about Tatum? How’s Zion’s trajectory?
KP’s trajectory was pretty sweet after his first couple of seasons. Literally everything being said about Mobley now was said about AD 8 years ago and now there’s a thread every week asking why he’s not better.

I hate that I have to be making this point because I love Mobley as a prospect but the overwhelming likelihood is that Mobley will never be as good as one of the 8 or so best players of all time, which is what Duncan is. That should be patently obvious.


NRSV has his own special trajectory in his mind for mobility. He will be better than Duncan. It is what it is. It's just a matter of when people accept this reality.
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Post#199 » by Cavsfansince84 » Mon Dec 6, 2021 10:25 pm

Balls Deep wrote:I must not see the hype, looks like Chris Bosh to me.


Bosh never made an all def team in his entire career while Mobley will be contending for dpoy within a couple years. He's also averaging more assists as a 20 year old rookie than Bosh did in his entire career. Bosh's 3 pt shot didn't really emerge until his Miami days either while Mobley already has one he isn't afraid to use.
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Re: Ceiling of Evan Mobley 

Post#200 » by gbball » Mon Dec 6, 2021 10:34 pm

Leading up to the draft, I said that Mobley looks like a better, bigger version of Bosh and he's already blowing away my expectations.

He has a rare combination of size, coordination, agility/athleticism and smarts. Also looks like he's got a good head on his shoulders.

The only thing I have a hard time seeing from him is becoming a high usage facilitator type. While he looks he could potentially develop that way under the right leadership, I expect him to play off of a primary creator for the most part. That's the only limit I can see. I don't see him getting a ton of reps as a primary creator/facilitator.

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