Killian Hayes is Really...Bad

SSUBluesman · Post #181 » by **SSUBluesman** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 3:47 am

azcatz11 wrote:Who has more trade value - Hayes or Cade?

I, as an unbiased Wolves fan, am willing to trade D'Lo for Cade to provide veteran leadership and a left handed PG mentor for Hayes.

MavfanAus · Post #182 » by **MavfanAus** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 4:08 am

Threads like this are pure evidence to why the casual internet basketball community arm chair PG really should shut the fu-ck up

Dan Z · Post #183 » by **Dan Z** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 4:16 am

Will Killian get a second contract?

rocketsfan100 · Post #184 » by **rocketsfan100** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 4:23 am

16 pts 8 assists 4 boards 2 steals 52 percentage from the field as a starter. Dude just need some real minute’s and a meaningful chance

Tor_Raps · Post #185 » by **Tor_Raps** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 4:29 am

rocketsfan100 wrote:As soon as Cade went down and he was given MEANINGFUL minutes and a real OPPORTUNITY he has played well. Who’d figure?

You realize this kids been handed minutes since he entered the nba and has been pathetic thus far. Playing time has definitely NOT been the reason he's been bad lol

rocketsfan100 · Post #186 » by **rocketsfan100** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 4:34 am

Tor_Raps wrote:
rocketsfan100 wrote:As soon as Cade went down and he was given MEANINGFUL minutes and a real OPPORTUNITY he has played well. Who’d figure?

You realize this kids been handed minutes since he entered the nba and has been pathetic thus far. Playing time has definitely NOT been the reason he's been bad lol

Been given a certain role and not being yanked at the slightest mistake has certainly helped. Casey now has given him a definitive role and allowed him to play through it. Now he has confidence. That is what a young player sometimes needs. Trust

thelead · Post #187 » by **thelead** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 4:36 am

MavfanAus wrote:Threads like this are pure evidence to why the casual internet basketball community arm chair PG really should shut the fu-ck up

He may turn the corner eventually and this may be the start but come on man... :lol:

The dude is shooting 35% for the season and is a career 37% shooter... and those aren't his 3pt percentages. He's having a career year from deep at 31%.

His full game logs do not paint a pretty picture:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hayeski01/gamelog/2022

TimberKat · Post #188 » by **TimberKat** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 4:40 am

SSUBluesman wrote:
azcatz11 wrote:Who has more trade value - Hayes or Cade?

I, as an unbiased Wolves fan, am willing to trade D'Lo for Cade to provide veteran leadership and a left handed PG mentor for Hayes.

As a Wolves fan, I am tempted to take Hayes for DsLOw

Tor_Raps · Post #189 » by **Tor_Raps** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 4:41 am

rocketsfan100 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
rocketsfan100 wrote:As soon as Cade went down and he was given MEANINGFUL minutes and a real OPPORTUNITY he has played well. Who’d figure?

You realize this kids been handed minutes since he entered the nba and has been pathetic thus far. Playing time has definitely NOT been the reason he's been bad lol

Been given a certain role and not being yanked at the slightest mistake has certainly helped. Casey now has given him a definitive role and allowed him to play through it. Now he has confidence. That is what a young player sometimes needs. Trust

You should check his past games logs... like I said, he's been gifted minutes his whole career even though he hasn't earned it. Hayes being good/bad hasn't been on anyone else but him.

If he turns it around, thank the Pistons for being so patient with a guy who's been a scrub for most of his career.

Post #190 » by **Capn'O** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 5:05 am

I NEVER LOST FAITH IN YOU KILLIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spoiler:

DTP · Post #191 » by **DTP** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 6:59 am

Just wait until we get a new coach and he gets away from Casey's awful management of him....

hippesthippo · Post #192 » by **hippesthippo** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 7:48 am

Blame Rasho wrote:Let’s give him some credit, he was better than Vassilis Spanoulis when he was in the NBA.

He's for sure better than Fran Vazquez was in the NBA.

.. I think.

hippesthippo · Post #193 » by **hippesthippo** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 7:52 am

Liam_Gallagher wrote:He and Kendrick Nunn are competing for the most trash lefty point guards in the league. Both are so bad.

Yeah, but maybe if you package a trash Kendrick Nunn and a washed Beverly you can get a star player in return. At the very least, I'd imagine you could get a couple really good role players.

The-Power · Post #194 » by **The-Power** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 8:02 am

Since he started (11 games), he's averaging 12/6 (29.5 MPG) with only 1.7 TOV on 52.4% TS – with 16/40 (40%) on 3s – and provided his usual good defense. This still isn't good in terms of output by any stretch of the imagination but a lot better than what he has shown to start the season. Let's hope he gains confidence from that and manages to continue on this trajectory. I'd love to see him play in the NBA for a long time.

hippesthippo · Post #195 » by **hippesthippo** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 8:04 am

rocketsfan100 wrote:16 pts 8 assists 4 boards 2 steals 52 percentage from the field as a starter. Dude just need some real minute’s and a meaningful chance

These are not his first real minutes or meaningful chance. I suppose you could say it's the biggest role he's had since the hip injury, but to pretend he hasn't been playing is odd.

I'm back to watching the Nuggets again this year after Cade went down. The Pistons are just too painful watch. I was expecting them to go for the playoffs after the Bojan trade.

Having said that, I haven't seen this version of Hayes, but I highly doubt those stats had any real impact on the game. He was so bad I'd have to see him reproduce it for at least the next 3 months before you could convince me he's any good.

If he ever ends up as an above average starter in this league it will have been proceeded by the longest and most expensive developmental period I've seen for a PG in the NBA.

vege · Post #196 » by **vege** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 12:45 pm

The-Power wrote:Since he started (11 games), he's averaging 12/6 (29.5 MPG) with only 1.7 TOV on 52.4% TS – with 16/40 (40%) on 3s – and provided his usual good defense. This still isn't good in terms of output by any stretch of the imagination but a lot better than what he has shown to start the season. Let's hope he gains confidence from that and manages to continue on this trajectory. I'd love to see him play in the NBA for a long time.

This. He had a few good games, but he is still way below average, but those few good games are encouraging, considering where he was earlier this season. Detroit have been super patient with the kid, no other NBA team would have done that for him, so I hope he become a real NBA caliber player and have a long career with us.

Airmiess · Post #197 » by **Airmiess** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 1:10 pm

thelead wrote:
MavfanAus wrote:Threads like this are pure evidence to why the casual internet basketball community arm chair PG really should shut the fu-ck up

He may turn the corner eventually and this may be the start but come on man...

The dude is shooting 35% for the season and is a career 37% shooter... and those aren't his 3pt percentages. He's having a career year from deep at 31%.

His full game logs do not paint a pretty picture:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hayeski01/gamelog/2022

35 from the field in the spacing era ? wow he is dreadfully bad.
The original quoted poster should be reprimanded.

God Squad · Post #198 » by **God Squad** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 2:05 pm

rocketsfan100 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:
rocketsfan100 wrote:As soon as Cade went down and he was given MEANINGFUL minutes and a real OPPORTUNITY he has played well. Who’d figure?

You realize this kids been handed minutes since he entered the nba and has been pathetic thus far. Playing time has definitely NOT been the reason he's been bad lol

Been given a certain role and not being yanked at the slightest mistake has certainly helped. Casey now has given him a definitive role and allowed him to play through it. Now he has confidence. That is what a young player sometimes needs. Trust

Do you even watch Pistons games? None of what you said is true.

Post #199 » by **cupcakesnake** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 2:18 pm

- Hayes got hot yesterday. Almost all his shots were pull-ups.
- Hayes has been competent as a passer and defender for most of his NBA career.
- The reason Hayes has been disappointing is that he really shies away from contact on drives. This alone destroyed his draft projections of being a big physical guard who could attack and pass. Nothing about Hayes having a nice shooting night changed this core weakness of his.

I was huge on him in the draft. I loved watching him go off last night. If he gains more confidence in that jumpshot, that alone could save his NBA career. But the player that got hyped in the draft doesn't exist. We fundamentally misunderstood what kind of player he was. If I see Killian Hayes put his shoulder into a guy and bulldoze his way into an easy bucket, I'll stoke the fires of the old hype machine.

Moses ShamMoses · Post #200 » by **Moses ShamMoses** » Fri Dec 2, 2022 2:20 pm

Killian reworked his jump shot over the offseason. It was clearly different. He had trouble adjusting early on, lost some confidence, but now he's comfortable. Previous seasons Killian lacked a go-to move on offense. He now has one. Its a mid-range pull up off the dribble. It's been money. That to me is the biggest difference. He needs to add other elements to his game for sure but its a nice start of something.