Hawks are 17-24. What's happening?

Chuck Everett · Post #181 » by **Chuck Everett** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:31 am

The Hawks played a bunch of playoff teams on the road back to back to back and lost. Their record isn't surprising. Some teams have had their seasons aided by playing teams like New Orleans or Detroit 2-3 times. Schedule eventually levels off.

Post #182 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:36 am

iLLmatic860 wrote:Add NYK to the list of bad teams

Randle dont want any smoke with atl

IDK

I see the entire Knicks team and their fanbase being up for that game: at home, on Christmas Day, in front of a national TV audience. :no:

That'll be a tough game for ATL to steal in the regular season...especially with it being our 3rd game in 4 nights.

iLLmatic860 · Post #183 » by **iLLmatic860** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:41 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:Add NYK to the list of bad teams

Randle dont want any smoke with atl

IDK

I see the entire Knicks team and their fanbase being up for that game: at home, on Christmas Day, in front of a national TV audience.

That'll be a tough game for ATL to steal in the regular season...especially with it being our 3rd game in 4 nights.

Good point..Now you got me believing in the Knicks lol. Honestly tho Trae was cooking us in MSG and he was loving every second of it. For some reason we play alot worse at home but lets see how Randle responds to this. This has to be a game he has marked on his calender.

jayu70 · Post #184 » by **jayu70** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:46 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:Add NYK to the list of bad teams

Randle dont want any smoke with atl

IDK

I see the entire Knicks team and their fanbase being up for that game: at home, on Christmas Day, in front of a national TV audience.

That'll be a tough game for ATL to steal in the regular season...especially with it being our 3rd game in 4 nights.

Hawks are playing the Knicks this Saturday at State Farm. Got a little more time and a few games before the Christmas day game in NY.

Buzzard · Post #185 » by **Buzzard** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:02 am

iLLmatic860 wrote:
Buzzard wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Hawks should continue moving up the standings the next few weeks.

Read on Twitter

Some of those teams are pretty good sleepers.Houston, Orlando, maybe Memphis are the only bad teams.

Add NYK to the list of bad teams

Randle dont want any smoke with atl

Regular season Randle is pretty good against the Hawks.

KingFox · Post #186 » by **KingFox** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:52 am

Chuck Everett wrote:The Hawks played a bunch of playoff teams on the road back to back to back and lost. Their record isn't surprising. Some teams have had their seasons aided by playing teams like New Orleans or Detroit 2-3 times. Schedule eventually levels off.

Yup! But i don't believe in the whole "it evens out" thing. Momentum and team morale is important, and, yet, the league continues to gift certain teams an entire cake walk through the first 20 or so games and it's a joke.

iLLmatic860 · Post #187 » by **iLLmatic860** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:31 pm

Buzzard wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:
Buzzard wrote:Some of those teams are pretty good sleepers.Houston, Orlando, maybe Memphis are the only bad teams.

Add NYK to the list of bad teams

Randle dont want any smoke with atl

Regular season Randle is pretty good against the Hawks.

Thats true before playoffs started I expected him to cook yall. I could be wrong but Im pretty sure we played the majority of our games last season with you guys when Nate Was still assistant coach.

Post #188 » by **Jamaaliver** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:05 pm

KingFox wrote:Yup! But i don't believe in the whole "it evens out" thing. Momentum and team morale is important, and, yet, the league continues to gift certain teams an entire cake walk through the first 20 or so games and it's a joke.

TBF, every stretch of every season is challenging for Sacramento. :eyebrows:

(Sorry, brother. Couldn't resist.)

BigGargamel · Post #189 » by **BigGargamel** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:25 pm

What a surprise. The season is more than four weeks long.

Sothron · Post #190 » by **Sothron** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:19 pm

KingFox wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:The Hawks played a bunch of playoff teams on the road back to back to back and lost. Their record isn't surprising. Some teams have had their seasons aided by playing teams like New Orleans or Detroit 2-3 times. Schedule eventually levels off.

Yup! But i don't believe in the whole "it evens out" thing. Momentum and team morale is important, and, yet, the league continues to gift certain teams an entire cake walk through the first 20 or so games and it's a joke.

I definitely agree with this. You can tell by the schedules who the NBA really wants to win and who they want to lose. The Hawks were on the road with no rest days or practice days for basically the first 15 games of the season against playoff and winning teams. It put them in a hole they now have to climb out of. Momentum is a real thing.

Buzzard · Post #191 » by **Buzzard** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 6:26 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:The Hawks played a bunch of playoff teams on the road back to back to back and lost. Their record isn't surprising. Some teams have had their seasons aided by playing teams like New Orleans or Detroit 2-3 times. Schedule eventually levels off.

The Hawks had a big western road trip. Unfortunately they did not play the cellar dwellers; but instead caught the contenders. The Hawks should make a big 2nd half run up the standings. I can see them once again having one of the best second half records in the NBA.

greg4012 · Post #192 » by **greg4012** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 7:57 pm

Buzzard wrote:
Chuck Everett wrote:The Hawks played a bunch of playoff teams on the road back to back to back and lost. Their record isn't surprising. Some teams have had their seasons aided by playing teams like New Orleans or Detroit 2-3 times. Schedule eventually levels off.

The Hawks had a big western road trip. Unfortunately they did not play the cellar dwellers; but instead caught the contenders. The Hawks should make a big 2nd half run up the standings. I can see them once again having one of the best second half records in the NBA.

Fun fact: the Heat's season to date has been as difficult, if not moreso than the Hawks and they are sitting at 11-6.

High 5 · Post #193 » by **High 5** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:11 pm

greg4012 wrote:Fun fact: the Heat's season to date has been as difficult, if not moreso than the Hawks and they are sitting at 11-6.

I doubt anyone has played a tougher stretch this season than:

@WAS, @PHI, WAS, @BRK, UTAH, @PHX, @GS, @UTAH, @DEN

The Heat definitely haven’t. But 11-6 or 9-9, doesn’t really matter. It’s a long season.

greg4012 · Post #194 » by **greg4012** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:17 pm

High 5 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:Fun fact: the Heat's season to date has been as difficult, if not moreso than the Hawks and they are sitting at 11-6.

I doubt anyone has played a tougher stretch this season than:

@WAS, @PHI, WAS, @BRK, UTAH, @PHX, @GS, @UTAH, @DEN

The Heat definitely haven’t. But 11-6 or 9-9, doesn’t really matter. It’s a long season.

10 away games for Miami; 9 away games for ATL

12 games against above .500 team for Miami; 13 games against above .500 teams for ATL

7 away games against above .500 teams for Miami; 7 away games against above .500 teams for ATL.

Miami has played @BRK; @DAL; @DEN: @LAL; @LAC; @UTA; @WAS; MIL; BOS; UTA; WAS

That includes a 5 game west coast roadtrip where Miami face both LA teams (back to back), Utah, and Denver. Miami already has played 3 back to backs this season.

You wanna get into things like net ratings?

High 5 · Post #195 » by **High 5** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:21 pm

greg4012 wrote:
High 5 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:Fun fact: the Heat's season to date has been as difficult, if not moreso than the Hawks and they are sitting at 11-6.

I doubt anyone has played a tougher stretch this season than:

@WAS, @PHI, WAS, @BRK, UTAH, @PHX, @GS, @UTAH, @DEN

The Heat definitely haven’t. But 11-6 or 9-9, doesn’t really matter. It’s a long season.

10 away games for Miami; 9 away games for ATL

12 games against above .500 team for Miami; 13 games against above .500 teams for ATL

7 away games against above .500 teams for Miami; 7 away games against above .500 teams for ATL.

Miami has played @BRK; @DAL; @DEN: @LAL; @LAC; @UTA; @WAS; MIL; BOS; UTA; WAS

Similar on the whole, but you’re not factoring in having those games consecutively. It was an extremely brutal stretch of games. So the Hawks have had it a little tougher and their record is a little worse. Again, doesn’t mean much this early.

greg4012 · Post #196 » by **greg4012** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:23 pm

High 5 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
High 5 wrote:
I doubt anyone has played a tougher stretch this season than:

@WAS, @PHI, WAS, @BRK, UTAH, @PHX, @GS, @UTAH, @DEN

The Heat definitely haven’t. But 11-6 or 9-9, doesn’t really matter. It’s a long season.

10 away games for Miami; 9 away games for ATL

12 games against above .500 team for Miami; 13 games against above .500 teams for ATL

7 away games against above .500 teams for Miami; 7 away games against above .500 teams for ATL.

Miami has played @BRK; @DAL; @DEN: @LAL; @LAC; @UTA; @WAS; MIL; BOS; UTA; WAS

Similar on the whole, but you’re not factoring in having those games consecutively. It was an extremely brutal stretch of games. So the Hawks have had it a little tougher and their record is a little worse. Again, doesn’t mean much this early.

You must have missed my edit above.

That includes a 5 game west coast roadtrip where Miami face both LA teams (back to back), Utah, and Denver. Miami already has played 3 back to backs this season. ATL has played 2.

High 5 · Post #197 » by **High 5** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:26 pm

greg4012 wrote:
High 5 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
10 away games for Miami; 9 away games for ATL

12 games against above .500 team for Miami; 13 games against above .500 teams for ATL

7 away games against above .500 teams for Miami; 7 away games against above .500 teams for ATL.

Miami has played @BRK; @DAL; @DEN: @LAL; @LAC; @UTA; @WAS; MIL; BOS; UTA; WAS

Similar on the whole, but you’re not factoring in having those games consecutively. It was an extremely brutal stretch of games. So the Hawks have had it a little tougher and their record is a little worse. Again, doesn’t mean much this early.

You must have missed my edit above.

That includes a 5 game west coast roadtrip where Miami face both LA teams (back to back), Utah, and Denver. Miami already has played 3 back to backs this season. ATL has played 2.

Um, the Hawks have had 4 B2B’s. And the Heat played the Lakers without LeBron and somehow lost.

greg4012 · Post #198 » by **greg4012** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:33 pm

High 5 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
High 5 wrote:
Similar on the whole, but you’re not factoring in having those games consecutively. It was an extremely brutal stretch of games. So the Hawks have had it a little tougher and their record is a little worse. Again, doesn’t mean much this early.

You must have missed my edit above.

That includes a 5 game west coast roadtrip where Miami face both LA teams (back to back), Utah, and Denver. Miami already has played 3 back to backs this season. ATL has played 2.

Um, the Hawks have had 4 B2B’s. And the Heat played the Lakers without LeBron and somehow lost.

Misread that--yes it's 4. Doubt we want to get into accounting of losses. Maybe we can talk quality Wins against top teams? Or net rating? Maybe offensive rating? Oooooh how about defensive rating?

Point is: the woe is me rhetoric can use a rest. ATL isn't alone in facing adversity. They just didn't handle it well.

High 5 · Post #199 » by **High 5** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:45 pm

greg4012 wrote:
High 5 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
You must have missed my edit above.

That includes a 5 game west coast roadtrip where Miami face both LA teams (back to back), Utah, and Denver. Miami already has played 3 back to backs this season. ATL has played 2.

Um, the Hawks have had 4 B2B’s. And the Heat played the Lakers without LeBron and somehow lost.

Misread that--yes it's 4. Doubt we want to get into accounting of losses. Maybe we can talk quality Wins against top teams? Or net rating? Maybe offensive rating? Oooooh how about defensive rating?

Point is: the woe is me rhetoric can use a rest. ATL isn't alone in facing adversity. They just didn't handle it well.

You’re the only one getting caught up in all this. It was just a statement of fact that the Hawks had an extra tough early schedule that made their situation look more dire than it was. Now they’ve won 5 straight by double digits and are looking more like the team that made the ECF.

If it means that much to you that the Heat had a more impressive first 17 games then I’ll happily concede that point to you. Congratulations.

greg4012 · Post #200 » by **greg4012** » Tue Nov 23, 2021 8:48 pm

High 5 wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
High 5 wrote:
Um, the Hawks have had 4 B2B’s. And the Heat played the Lakers without LeBron and somehow lost.

Misread that--yes it's 4. Doubt we want to get into accounting of losses. Maybe we can talk quality Wins against top teams? Or net rating? Maybe offensive rating? Oooooh how about defensive rating?

Point is: the woe is me rhetoric can use a rest. ATL isn't alone in facing adversity. They just didn't handle it well.

You’re the only one getting caught up in all this. It was just a statement of fact that the Hawks had an extra tough early schedule that made their situation look more dire than it was. Now they’ve won 5 straight by double digits and are looking more like the team that made the ECF.

If it means that much to you that the Heat had a more impressive first 17 games then I’ll happily concede that point to you. Congratulations.

Thanks--look forward to SE Division matchups