Pascal Siakam - Back or Fools gold?

[realball]

The Heat have two non-shooting stars constantly in their lineup. If Lowry can't shoot the 3 as well they will be easier to defend. This isn't rocket science

Miami is 2nd in league in 3-pt%. Dumber with every post.

What does that have to do with what I just said?

The Heat want to run a lineup with Lowry/Butler/Bam. It doesn't matter what their 3 pt % is if they have to put out lineups with 2-3 non 3 pt threats consistently.

The only one proving to be dumber with every post is you. Try adding context to your takes

Right, one of the best 3-pt shooting teams in the league is going to be worried that their spacing isn't good enough. So dumb.

Miami beat you once already with worse spacing, they can do it again now that they have a better team.

[GiannisAnte34]

Miami is 2nd in league in 3-pt%. Dumber with every post.

What does that have to do with what I just said?

The Heat want to run a lineup with Lowry/Butler/Bam. It doesn't matter what their 3 pt % is if they have to put out lineups with 2-3 non 3 pt threats consistently.

The only one proving to be dumber with every post is you. Try adding context to your takes

Right, one of the best 3-pt shooting teams in the league is going to be worried that their spacing isn't good enough. So dumb.

Miami beat you once already with worse spacing, they can do it again now that they have a better team.

What starting 5 would Miami be one of the best 3-pt shooting teams in the league with in a playoff series? Please tell me

[floppymoose]

You're not getting Siakam lol

Thats cool. Happy with what GS has. Was just curious about how people saw his value. Sounds like Raptors are happy with him. Enjoy!

[ATLTimekeeper]

You're not getting Siakam lol

Thats cool. Happy with what GS has. Was just curious about how people saw his value. Sounds like Raptors are happy with him. Enjoy!

Just in terms of where the Raptors are right now and contract situations, I think they'd be looking to consolidate Siakam moving up in talent, or in terms of position. I suggested earlier on in the year that Siakam - Sabonis would make some sense in order to give Barnes more opportunities attacking from the perimeter.

Just getting younger with Wiggins/Poole isn't really going to give them much. Plus, I doubt Wiggins is on the Raptors radar at all. He doesn't have positive marketing value here, like many other Canadians, because he's been soft on committing to playing for Team Canada and tends to play really selfishly when he does. And then the whole vaccine stance further soured our mood on him. People here see him as a disappointment. I could only see it as possible if the Raptors saw Jordan Poole as a future all-star, but is he due for a contract extension this year? That would likely lower his trade value.

[sprewellchokes]

Raps fans have bullied this guy so much that he can't get us out of his head.

Getting big after wins over only depleted and tanking teams. What a joke. It will be hilarious when the Raps get slapped back down to reality in the 1st round

The only reason you have a championship is because you beat a depleted team lmao. Win one year and this moron suddenly forgets all the other smackings his team received in the past.

Not only that they played teams in the efc/finals making their playoff debuts. The basketball gods were smiling on them.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Also, Siakam was "back" last year. He was an impact player for a really weak team that intentionally threw the last part of the season by letting Lowry just go golf every day.

What I think many see as slippage, was really just some inconsistent shooting from 3 and a bad playoff performance in the bubble, but he was by far the Raptors best player last year, and that includes Lowry. He's still an unreliable jump shooter, but now he has more patience with his playmaking. If that's all-star, all-NBA 3rd team level, whatever, it doesn't matter that much. He's not a 1A on a title contender, but he plays both ends of the floor.

[TheSniper007]

Also, Siakam was "back" last year. He was an impact player for a really weak team that intentionally threw the last part of the season by letting Lowry just go golf every day.

What I think many see as slippage, was really just some inconsistent shooting from 3 and a bad playoff performance in the bubble, but he was by far the Raptors best player last year, and that includes Lowry. He's still an unreliable jump shooter, but now he has more patience with his playmaking. If that's all-star, all-NBA 3rd team level, whatever, it doesn't matter that much. He's not a 1A on a title contender, but he plays both ends of the floor.

If you put Siakam on every NBA team right now, would he be the best player on any of those teams? Someone has to be the best player on every team, so using that as a bar imo isn't really a good way to evaluate.

He was at best a 3rd option on the Raptors *championship* team behind Leonard and Lowry. Has he really improved his skill level since then dramatically? I don't see it at all, he will always be limited to his lack of IQ.

That said he is versatile and an above average 3rd option on most championship caliber teams due to his size and versatility.

[danvato]

Great trade idea from Hollinger pod Siakam+ for Sabonis

[anotherhomer]

it depends if they feel Pascal can keep this up or not.....
right now, he's definitely the better player vs barnes

You're not getting Siakam lol

Thats cool. Happy with what GS has. Was just curious about how people saw his value. Sounds like Raptors are happy with him. Enjoy!

Just in terms of where the Raptors are right now and contract situations, I think they'd be looking to consolidate Siakam moving up in talent, or in terms of position. I suggested earlier on in the year that Siakam - Sabonis would make some sense in order to give Barnes more opportunities attacking from the perimeter.

Just getting younger with Wiggins/Poole isn't really going to give them much. Plus, I doubt Wiggins is on the Raptors radar at all. He doesn't have positive marketing value here, like many other Canadians, because he's been soft on committing to playing for Team Canada and tends to play really selfishly when he does. And then the whole vaccine stance further soured our mood on him. People here see him as a disappointment. I could only see it as possible if the Raptors saw Jordan Poole as a future all-star, but is he due for a contract extension this year? That would likely lower his trade value.

[YogurtProducer]

Also, Siakam was "back" last year. He was an impact player for a really weak team that intentionally threw the last part of the season by letting Lowry just go golf every day.

What I think many see as slippage, was really just some inconsistent shooting from 3 and a bad playoff performance in the bubble, but he was by far the Raptors best player last year, and that includes Lowry. He's still an unreliable jump shooter, but now he has more patience with his playmaking. If that's all-star, all-NBA 3rd team level, whatever, it doesn't matter that much. He's not a 1A on a title contender, but he plays both ends of the floor.

If you put Siakam on every NBA team right now, would he be the best player on any of those teams? Someone has to be the best player on every team, so using that as a bar imo isn't really a good way to evaluate.

He was at best a 3rd option on the Raptors *championship* team behind Leonard and Lowry. Has he really improved his skill level since then dramatically? I don't see it at all, he will always be limited to his lack of IQ.

That said he is versatile and an above average 3rd option on most championship caliber teams due to his size and versatility.

He’s improved immensely. He is a really really good playmaker now and also has improved his dribble pull up moves.

He is way better in 2022 than he was in 2019

[mademan]

Pascal has transformed himself into one of the best playmaking PF's in the league. People get too caught up in what he isnt (a 1st option scoring wise) and disregard all the other things he does outside of that. He defends, rebounds, playmakes while still being a very respectable scorer even if not top tier. 6'9 guys who do what he does are extremely valuable, you just need a top tier scorer to put them around. The Raps just dont have that

[djsunyc]

Great trade idea from Hollinger pod Siakam+ for Sabonis

it's not a good idea b/c sabonis would kill our defensive identity. we need a big that can guard all over and sabonis can't do that. i think the trade siakam thing by some fans is a bit crazy talk. he's only 27.

you try to develop him and barnes TOGETHER - and they are showing chemistry as games progress. in 3 years, barnes will hopefully be a really good consistent player and you'll have a 30 year old siakam. chip teams have 30+ year old vets that are good. siakam and barnes could become a tmac/grant hill combo that we never saw. i actually think it's a crazy idea to trade him especially as he's entering his prime - the game has slowed down for him this year and you can see the growth in many levels. his jumper is what fluctuates him from borderline all star to all-nba but everything else is now there at really high levels.

[srhcan]

You're not getting Siakam lol

Thats cool. Happy with what GS has. Was just curious about how people saw his value. Sounds like Raptors are happy with him. Enjoy!

only if Warriors had completed that trade suggested before draft (Siakam for Wiggins+Wiseman+#7), it would have set up Warriors to be NBA champs for next 5 years

[agkagk]

Great trade idea from Hollinger pod Siakam+ for Sabonis

it's not a good idea b/c sabonis would kill our defensive identity. we need a big that can guard all over and sabonis can't do that. i think the trade siakam thing by some fans is a bit crazy talk. he's only 27.

you try to develop him and barnes TOGETHER - and they are showing chemistry as games progress. in 3 years, barnes will hopefully be a really good consistent player and you'll have a 30 year old siakam. chip teams have 30+ year old vets that are good. siakam and barnes could become a tmac/grant hill combo that we never saw. i actually think it's a crazy idea to trade him especially as he's entering his prime - the game has slowed down for him this year and you can see the growth in many levels. his jumper is what fluctuates him from borderline all star to all-nba but everything else is now there at really high levels.

Siakam plus?

I don’t think sabonis is a better player pascal. Defence wins championships.

[danvato]

Great trade idea from Hollinger pod Siakam+ for Sabonis

it's not a good idea b/c sabonis would kill our defensive identity. we need a big that can guard all over and sabonis can't do that. i think the trade siakam thing by some fans is a bit crazy talk. he's only 27.

you try to develop him and barnes TOGETHER - and they are showing chemistry as games progress. in 3 years, barnes will hopefully be a really good consistent player and you'll have a 30 year old siakam. chip teams have 30+ year old vets that are good. siakam and barnes could become a tmac/grant hill combo that we never saw. i actually think it's a crazy idea to trade him especially as he's entering his prime - the game has slowed down for him this year and you can see the growth in many levels. his jumper is what fluctuates him from borderline all star to all-nba but everything else is now there at really high levels.

Siakam plus?

I don’t think sabonis is a better player pascal. Defence wins championships.

You still have tons of defense around Sabonis which should cover his limitations. And yes, Siakam+, Sabonis is a 2 time all-star and makes less money.

[kobe tier]

A borderline contender will want him to push for the ring.

Phoneix would love him to cover crowder.
Nets need more bigs
Bucks need a big to pair with Giannis
ETC

Hold out and make the trade.

[Duffman100]

A borderline contender will want him to push for the ring.

Phoneix would love him to cover crowder.
Nets need more bigs
Bucks need a big to pair with Giannis
ETC

Hold out and make the trade.

Matching that salary while trading back value is going to be challenging.

[srhcan]

Great trade idea from Hollinger pod Siakam+ for Sabonis

Siakam >> Sabonis