This board really needs to apologize to Andrew Wiggins

[Capn'O]

There are people I owe apologies to. Andrew Wiggins is not one of them.

[tsherkin]

There are people I owe apologies to. Andrew Wiggins is not one of them.

The root premise of this thread is so wildly absurd, right?

[AbeVigodaLive]

Everybody ripped him for years in Minnesota calling him a bust and a bad teammate. Then when he was traded everybody said Minnesota won the trade by getting Dlo. In reality he is a great 2 way player who has been great for the Warriors during this postseason run.

Time for people to just accept while not as good as Embiid or Jokic, he is a damn good player.

Huh?

1) Minnesota gave up a highly prized 1st round pick in that deal. It wasn't a one-for-one trade. So you'll have to prove to me that there was any sort of consensus that MN won that trade hands-down.

I linked to the initial GB thread, take a look at the thread there. People were flaying the Warriors for it

Ummm...

Those links you provided once but couldn't be bothered to do again... were not even remotely close to "Everybody...". They might not have even been the "majority." Maybe not even "half."

LOL.

[FNQ]

Huh?

1) Minnesota gave up a highly prized 1st round pick in that deal. It wasn't a one-for-one trade. So you'll have to prove to me that there was any sort of consensus that MN won that trade hands-down.

I linked to the initial GB thread, take a look at the thread there. People were flaying the Warriors for it

Ummm...

Those links you provided once but couldn't be bothered to do again... were not even remotely close to "Everybody...". They might not have even been the "majority." Maybe not even "half."

LOL.

Right, because the implication that every single person said the same thing is a ridiculous one, so the obvious implication is that the great majority of the board did in fact say that it was a bad trade.

Not even half he says

Probably oughta pocketed that last LOL if you're just gonna outright revise history, since the link is in the thread and can be easily checked. But take wins where you can get them. The board crapped all over the deal when it was made.. I know.. I was one of em

[MrBigShot]

He's a solid starter for the warriors. Not an all star starter caliber player.

[G35]

He is on the level of Andre Iguodola was during the earlier years. He's athletic, plays good defense, can hit the 3 and doesn't try to do too much.

That is not appreciated enough.....

[rapstarter]

Really happy for him, but he's in the perfect situation.

[tsherkin]

He is on the level of Andre Iguodola was during the earlier years. He's athletic, plays good defense, can hit the 3 and doesn't try to do too much.

That is not appreciated enough.....

He has done an excellent job finding a new role after busting out of his draft slot. It would be nice if we could focus more on what he contributes to Golden State, yes. He's doing an excellent job of playing team basketball. Tonight was an interesting one; he shot like ass inside the arc, but he hit his threes well and the dribble penetration he was getting ended up being quite helpful for the team's offense, plus he played very good defense. and that's sort of a prototypical Wiggins game these days, which makes him quite useful to the Warriors.

[vagelis]

He is on the level of Andre Iguodola was during the earlier years. He's athletic, plays good defense, can hit the 3 and doesn't try to do too much.

That is not appreciated enough.....

He is better in offense than prime Iguodala.
He can create his shot better, better handles and acceleration

[FNQ]

He is on the level of Andre Iguodola was during the earlier years. He's athletic, plays good defense, can hit the 3 and doesn't try to do too much.

That is not appreciated enough.....

This is pretty much it. Wigguodala, but he trades Iguodala's slighty above average playmaking for Wiggins' slightly above average jumper

[FNQ]

He can create his shot better, better handles and acceleration

He has one of those things

[CS707]

He is on the level of Andre Iguodola was during the earlier years. He's athletic, plays good defense, can hit the 3 and doesn't try to do too much.

That is not appreciated enough.....

He is better in offense than prime Iguodala.
He can create his shot better, better handles and acceleration

Better handles? Nah.

[vagelis]

Game by game the narrative for Wiggins will change until the last game of the finals

[michaelm]

"A lot" of Curry and Warriors fans have not been downplaying Wiggins; in fact, it's mostly been the opposite. Whether or not you found a few outliers does not prove that it happened "a lot."

Of course, you don't care about being accurate or having a productive dialogue-- you only come here to to do drive-by troll takes devoid of substance, and you immediately vanish when called to task.

It is pretty reasonable to question Wiggins as an All-Star this year for being a 3+D guy of comparatively tepid offensive value. But AS selections have also meant only so much for a very long time, particularly the one-offs. The intended meaning of the accolade has evolved over the years.

I have no problem with people questioning the Wiggins AS selection-- it was very borderline.

The person I was responding to was claiming that "a lot Curry fans were trashing Wiggins to prop Curry up," and I was disputing that silly notion. That poster is also an anti-Curry troll.

Exactly.

[michaelm]

Clear #3? Obviously I think you put Curry and Dray ahead of him, but personally I'd put GP2's season above Wiggins' quite easily. Id personally also put OPJ's, Poole's, and Looney's (certainly not Klay though) seasons' above Wiggins', which for me, would slot Wiggins in at 7, though I think it's at least debatable with those 3, but that's more based on the fact Wiggins is starting/playing more minutes, and it's difficult to untangle those effects. I certainly wouldn't say it's crazy to put Wiggins above those last 3. That said, all 6 of those guys lead Wiggins in PER, WS/48, BPM, VORP, etc. Wiggins is 8th on the team in PER, 11th in WS/48, 10th in BPM, and 6th in VORP. Now, there is certainly some evidence from advanced stats in Wiggins' favor, for example Poole and Looney's various RAPTOR metrics aren't as good as Wiggins', but OPJ and especially GP2 fairly handily beat Wiggins in just about every advanced stat I can find.

If I could give a baseball analogy, I view Wiggins as more of a solid back of the rotation starter that will eat up a lot of innings, whereas GP2/OPJ are more like ace relievers. You can certainly argue about which is more valuable, but personally I tend to be biased more towards guys that are specialists (for this squad).

Looney runs him close, but is not as important in every single game. Peak Klay is obviously better, and I would be very happy if peak Klay returned to demote Wiggs, but that hasn’t happened yet. The other 2 players you mention I also value highly, but there is a reason he plays more minutes than they do, durability as well as ability, the first not unimportant. If he went down it would imo be the end of any title chances for GSW, not so for GPII and OPJ, much though I would like to have both playing. OPJ looked fantastic in his minutes in game 1, but no way is he playing 35 minutes; I would be delighted if he can just play every game.

I agree almost entirely, but I wouldn't say that peak Klay is obviously better. Peak Klay got to work with 2 HOFers in front of him on the shot chart, and a 3rd who was distributing to him. Put today's Wiggins on that team, and are we worse? Better? Wiggins wouldnt have to score as much as Klay did, but he could defend and recover much better. Imagine that team's death squad: Curry - Wiggins - Iguodala - KD - Draymond. Aside from Curry that's a defensive dream team, and has 2 of the best scorers of their generation to boot

Peak Klay for me was 2019 finals Klay before he went down when GSW were running a very good Raptors team close without KD. Love Wiggs though, and don’t really disagree with you argument, and he is probably better than Klay defensively, more athletic, quicker and longer, at least with Draymond out there to steer his off ball defense, as well as a better rebounder and perhaps offering a little as a playmaker. People rate him on his Twolves days and perhaps not particularly gaudy box score numbers. Most GSW fans realise his value to the team however, and you in particular know how advanced stats value him.

[vagelis]

2 years ago

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[whatisacenter]

2 years ago

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the guy is such a clown. I cannot for the life of me figure out why people watch this crap.

[G35]

2 years ago

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That's a pretty bad take:
- "It's unspeakable that they did this (brought in Andrew Wiggins)"
- "Young players do not contribute in the playoffs"
- "We will never see Steph in another NBA finals"

[tsherkin]

That's a pretty bad take:
- "It's unspeakable that they did this (brought in Andrew Wiggins)"
- "Young players do not contribute in the playoffs"
- "We will never see Steph in another NBA finals"

Yeah, that's pretty rough.

I can understand not being high on Wiggins after his Minny career and all that, for sure, but that seems particularly aggressive, lol.

[Dubnation]

2 years ago

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the guy is such a clown. I cannot for the life of me figure out why people watch this crap.

My goodness. He actually gets paid for this????

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