Wiggins just ended Doncic's life

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

I have seen a few angles now. When I first saw the dunk on Tv I assumed that there was contact even though I did not actually see contact. Some angles seem to pretty clearly show that contact did not happen.

If you know a video in which some part of Wiggins and Doncic clearly touched each other I would like to see the video.

My opinion now is that the Doncic flop was as impressive as the Wiggins dunk.

After the refs overturned the call Doncic was still acting. He was waving his arms and making “how could you not see the foul” faces.

Too bad I hate flopping and therefore don’t get to fully appreciate what a fine actor Doncic is.

this thread is bonkers..

"..any video in which some part of wiggins and doncic touched each other" - how about any video?

Wiggins is an unreal athlete, he can certainly dunk on Luka (or anybody else) even without fouling (albeit, it's harder that way )
maybe he would have completed the dunk without the foul..we'll never know because he fouled

it's true that because of entertainment value and marketing purposes - these plays are rarely called (even in cases like this when the contact clearly warrants a foul) and it's also true that Luka got this call because he's a superstar and had that same play been on Powell..no way Wiggins ever gets called in this league for that foul - that's not to say he shouldn't get called, only to say that he wouldn't have, factually

but to as far as saying there no contact at all? that's bonkers to me
Like if you said, meh he pushed him off but that's not a foul in a conf. finals ppl get away with more every other play..that's a discussion. imo it is a foul but I can see why some1 will think differently but saying there was no contact whatsoever isn't a discussion, it's simply false. srsly.. there is no contact between wiggins's off-hand and Doncic's upper body?

please point me to a video that shows some contact. Find a video where Wiggins off hand is shown touch Doncic.

There was no contact.

Somebody in this thread made the accusation that the contact was edited out of the videos. You don’t believe that do you?

https://africa.espn.com/video/clip?id=33967762

Maybe Wiggins wrist touched Luca’s armpit

[vagelis]

only 43 inch vertical in this jump, Wiggins does not meet expectations of 44 inch vertical coming out of college.

Something worth mentioning is that Wiggins has put up weight with Warriors, he was 195 lbs coming from Minesota and he is now 205 lbs. He got stronger but he keeps having impressive vertical

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[Kingarella]

hello, as a hardcore Luka fan from Slovenia and thus also a Mavs fan, I can tell everybody to chill please, Luka got dunked on and posterized. No shame, great play by Wiggins, credit where credit is due. Doesn't make Luka any worst, it just makes Wiggins better which is aboslutely fine and nothing wrong with that.

[Exp0sed]

I have seen a few angles now. When I first saw the dunk on Tv I assumed that there was contact even though I did not actually see contact. Some angles seem to pretty clearly show that contact did not happen.

If you know a video in which some part of Wiggins and Doncic clearly touched each other I would like to see the video.

My opinion now is that the Doncic flop was as impressive as the Wiggins dunk.

After the refs overturned the call Doncic was still acting. He was waving his arms and making “how could you not see the foul” faces.

Too bad I hate flopping and therefore don’t get to fully appreciate what a fine actor Doncic is.

this thread is bonkers..

"..any video in which some part of wiggins and doncic touched each other" - how about any video?

Wiggins is an unreal athlete, he can certainly dunk on Luka (or anybody else) even without fouling (albeit, it's harder that way )
maybe he would have completed the dunk without the foul..we'll never know because he fouled

it's true that because of entertainment value and marketing purposes - these plays are rarely called (even in cases like this when the contact clearly warrants a foul) and it's also true that Luka got this call because he's a superstar and had that same play been on Powell..no way Wiggins ever gets called in this league for that foul - that's not to say he shouldn't get called, only to say that he wouldn't have, factually

but to as far as saying there no contact at all? that's bonkers to me
Like if you said, meh he pushed him off but that's not a foul in a conf. finals ppl get away with more every other play..that's a discussion. imo it is a foul but I can see why some1 will think differently but saying there was no contact whatsoever isn't a discussion, it's simply false. srsly.. there is no contact between wiggins's off-hand and Doncic's upper body?

please point me to a video that shows some contact. Find a video where Wiggins off hand is shown touch Doncic.

There was no contact.

Somebody in this thread made the accusation that the contact was edited out of the videos. You don’t believe that do you?

https://africa.espn.com/video/clip?id=33967762

Maybe Wiggins wrist touched Luca’s armpit

it's a bit lower than the armpit actually, and it's not just his wrist also his elbow and mostly the forearm ..it's a clear pushoff
when a player with Wiggins athleticism comes in with momentum and leans on the attacking player (from a higher vantage point, where the defender is still on his way up) - that's a foul

like I said, league doesn't usually call these for marketing purposes and if it isn't Doncic he ain't getting this superstar call

here's the video you requested showing the contact:

Watch on YouTube

edit: don't know how to make it visible here, but you can watch on youtube via the link


edit: P.s - it only looks terrible because Luka flops really poorly trying to sell contact to his neck\face in an unatural way
but there is real contact and not slight one either..lower down

[CobraCommander]

hello, as a hardcore Luka fan from Slovenia and thus also a Mavs fan, I can tell everybody to chill please, Luka got dunked on and posterized. No shame, great play by Wiggins, credit where credit is due. Doesn't make Luka any worst, it just makes Wiggins better which is aboslutely fine and nothing wrong with that.

Everyone on earth pretty much saying the same thing....Luka got dunked on....Luka was emotional after the play but after the game he was completely complementary about it.

[FNQ]

If we're gonna talk about a Doncic flop, it wont be this one.. players snap their heads back based on contact around the area as a reflex these days. Singling him out for that is headhunting him

The one I thought was pretty funny in real time, as it was a no call, was when Looney and Luka got tied up on the boards, and in the replay you can see Luka hook Looney a bit and drag him down.. which whatever, but as Luka fell, he kinda used both arms to slap the ground to make a really loud sound. Thought for sure one of the two would be injured, but when I saw the replay, kinda laughed.. Luka puts 100% into those sells

[CobraCommander]

Btw we can’t have it both ways....


We can’t want Luka to play stout defense....which we all say he has to be true all time great big wing...

and also never get dunked on...


You play defense against the most athletic guys in the league you might...scratch that...you will get dunked on....it happens.

[Inklink]

He's a good 5th player on a contender

Luka or Wiggins?

[floppymoose]

The overhead view in the middle of this clip is the best angle:

Watch on YouTube

Pretty clear there that Wiggins isn't doing anything more than shielding himself with the arm. Technically Wiggins was in the takeoff before Luka was in front, so it could have been a blocking foul, but I think a no-call is best. Wiggins easily made the basket and wasn't endangered.

[SF_Warriors]

Btw we can’t have it both ways....


We can’t want Luka to play stout defense....which we all say he has to be true all time great big wing...

and also never get dunked on...


You play defense against the most athletic guys in the league you might...scratch that...you will get dunked on....it happens.

Yes, good defenders get dunked on. We all know that. Luka got dunked on. It was a crazy dunk, warranting excitement. Luka attempted to contest and ended up on the wrong side of an amazing play. No need to overthink it. I would 100% rather have my player attempt to stop a dunk and get posterized than to move out of the way. Props to luka for that.

[dc]

Pretty clear there that Wiggins isn't doing anything more than shielding himself with the arm. Technically Wiggins was in the takeoff before Luka was in front, so it could have been a blocking foul, but I think a no-call is best. Wiggins easily made the basket and wasn't endangered.

I mean, if that's a foul on Wiggins, then Shaq probably has about another 800 offensive fouls in his career that went uncalled. And that's likely being conservative.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

this thread is bonkers..

"..any video in which some part of wiggins and doncic touched each other" - how about any video?

Wiggins is an unreal athlete, he can certainly dunk on Luka (or anybody else) even without fouling (albeit, it's harder that way )
maybe he would have completed the dunk without the foul..we'll never know because he fouled

it's true that because of entertainment value and marketing purposes - these plays are rarely called (even in cases like this when the contact clearly warrants a foul) and it's also true that Luka got this call because he's a superstar and had that same play been on Powell..no way Wiggins ever gets called in this league for that foul - that's not to say he shouldn't get called, only to say that he wouldn't have, factually

but to as far as saying there no contact at all? that's bonkers to me
Like if you said, meh he pushed him off but that's not a foul in a conf. finals ppl get away with more every other play..that's a discussion. imo it is a foul but I can see why some1 will think differently but saying there was no contact whatsoever isn't a discussion, it's simply false. srsly.. there is no contact between wiggins's off-hand and Doncic's upper body?

please point me to a video that shows some contact. Find a video where Wiggins off hand is shown touch Doncic.

There was no contact.

Somebody in this thread made the accusation that the contact was edited out of the videos. You don’t believe that do you?

https://africa.espn.com/video/clip?id=33967762

Maybe Wiggins wrist touched Luca’s armpit

it's a bit lower than the armpit actually, and it's not just his wrist also his elbow and mostly the forearm ..it's a clear pushoff
when a player with Wiggins athleticism comes in with momentum and leans on the attacking player (from a higher vantage point, where the defender is still on his way up) - that's a foul

like I said, league doesn't usually call these for marketing purposes and if it isn't Doncic he ain't getting this superstar call

here's the video you requested showing the contact:

Watch on YouTube

edit: don't know how to make it visible here, but you can watch on youtube via the link


edit: P.s - it only looks terrible because Luka flops really poorly trying to sell contact to his neck\face in an unatural way
but there is real contact and not slight one either..lower down

It still looks like wrist to armpit to me and I am not even sure that the wrist actually touched the armpit.

[CobraCommander]

Btw we can’t have it both ways....


We can’t want Luka to play stout defense....which we all say he has to be true all time great big wing...

and also never get dunked on...


You play defense against the most athletic guys in the league you might...scratch that...you will get dunked on....it happens.

Yes, good defenders get dunked on. We all know that. Luka got dunked on. It was a crazy dunk, warranting excitement. Luka attempted to contest and ended up on the wrong side of an amazing play. No need to overthink it. I would 100% rather have my player attempt to stop a dunk and get posterized than to move out of the way. Props to luka for that.

10000000%

If he keeps playing defense in the league Zion or Ja or Ant-man or Bridges are going to get you....

[Coxy]

Pretty clear there that Wiggins isn't doing anything more than shielding himself with the arm. Technically Wiggins was in the takeoff before Luka was in front, so it could have been a blocking foul, but I think a no-call is best. Wiggins easily made the basket and wasn't endangered.

I mean, if that's a foul on Wiggins, then Shaq probably has about another 800 offensive fouls in his career that went uncalled. And that's likely being conservative.

Blake Griffin would have fouled out nightly if he was called for this foul as well.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Pretty clear there that Wiggins isn't doing anything more than shielding himself with the arm. Technically Wiggins was in the takeoff before Luka was in front, so it could have been a blocking foul, but I think a no-call is best. Wiggins easily made the basket and wasn't endangered.

I mean, if that's a foul on Wiggins, then Shaq probably has about another 800 offensive fouls in his career that went uncalled. And that's likely being conservative.

Shaq committed thousands of uncalled intentional offensive fouls but in this case the contact was much smaller than Shaq’s uncalled offensive fouls and the Wiggins contact might not even have happened.

[SF_Warriors]

Btw we can’t have it both ways....


We can’t want Luka to play stout defense....which we all say he has to be true all time great big wing...

and also never get dunked on...


You play defense against the most athletic guys in the league you might...scratch that...you will get dunked on....it happens.

Yes, good defenders get dunked on. We all know that. Luka got dunked on. It was a crazy dunk, warranting excitement. Luka attempted to contest and ended up on the wrong side of an amazing play. No need to overthink it. I would 100% rather have my player attempt to stop a dunk and get posterized than to move out of the way. Props to luka for that.

10000000%

If he keeps playing defense in the league Zion or Ja or Ant-man or Bridges are going to get you....

What I am thinking is, Luka probably learns from this play and next time gives a hard foul instead of trying to go straight up. Maybe not one that will get a tech or flagrant, but enough so that the player loses some balance making it much harder to finish. Just a learning moment for the guy en route to a potentially great career.

[CobraCommander]

Yes, good defenders get dunked on. We all know that. Luka got dunked on. It was a crazy dunk, warranting excitement. Luka attempted to contest and ended up on the wrong side of an amazing play. No need to overthink it. I would 100% rather have my player attempt to stop a dunk and get posterized than to move out of the way. Props to luka for that.

10000000%

If he keeps playing defense in the league Zion or Ja or Ant-man or Bridges are going to get you....

What I am thinking is, Luka probably learns from this play and next time gives a hard foul instead of trying to go straight up. Maybe not one that will get a tech or flagrant, but enough so that the player loses some balance making it much harder to finish. Just a learning moment for the guy en route to a potentially great career.

That’s one where if he is quicker he is position to take the charge or contest the shot....

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

If we're gonna talk about a Doncic flop, it wont be this one.. players snap their heads back based on contact around the area as a reflex these days. Singling him out for that is headhunting him

The one I thought was pretty funny in real time, as it was a no call, was when Looney and Luka got tied up on the boards, and in the replay you can see Luka hook Looney a bit and drag him down.. which whatever, but as Luka fell, he kinda used both arms to slap the ground to make a really loud sound. Thought for sure one of the two would be injured, but when I saw the replay, kinda laughed.. Luka puts 100% into those sells

I don’t Wiggins even got a hand in Doncic’s face. If an out of control hand rapidly approaches your eyes you will through your head back and close your eyes as a natural reflex. But I don’t think that is what happened here. I think Doncic did a Anderson Verajao highest quality acting job on that flop. It looked like a reaction not an action which is exactly what a flop should look if the flop is to be believed. But where is the contact or hand to the eyes that could create that reaction? I think it was a flopping masterpiece by Doncic and maybe we should cut the ref that got fooled some slack.

[FNQ]

Pretty clear there that Wiggins isn't doing anything more than shielding himself with the arm. Technically Wiggins was in the takeoff before Luka was in front, so it could have been a blocking foul, but I think a no-call is best. Wiggins easily made the basket and wasn't endangered.

I mean, if that's a foul on Wiggins, then Shaq probably has about another 800 offensive fouls in his career that went uncalled. And that's likely being conservative.

Blake Griffin would have fouled out nightly if he was called for this foul as well.

BD's iconic dunk woulda been a foul too

[floppymoose]

BD's iconic dunk woulda been a foul too

BDs dunk was an offensive foul, but I like the no call. The reason was that AK stuck his off arm straight out at BD as he approached, and then BD stuck his out in response. AK missed and BD didn't.