Let Danny Ainge Rot

[knicksNOTslick]

I think it's a bit silly to think that Utah has to deal with the Knicks. Someone will make an offer Danny likes, or he will decide to build around Mitchell. Now, I'm not the biggest fan of Ainge, either - but we know how he operates and it doesn't involve capitulation when he thinks he's right.

The damage is already done. You as a GM can't shop around your superstar all offseason and then all of a sudden have a change of heart and decide to keep him. What is he gonna tell Mitchell? That he just changed his mind. Donovan is quiet now but he's gonna ask out if this continues thru the season. Especially since Ainge is planning to trade away all the other Utah vets.

[babyjax13]

I think it's a bit silly to think that Utah has to deal with the Knicks. Someone will make an offer Danny likes, or he will decide to build around Mitchell. Now, I'm not the biggest fan of Ainge, either - but we know how he operates and it doesn't involve capitulation when he thinks he's right.

The damage is already done. You as a GM can't shop around your superstar all offseason and then all of a sudden have a change of heart and decide to keep him. What is he gonna tell Mitchell? That he just changed his mind. Donovan is quiet now but he's gonna ask out if this continues thru the season. Especially since Ainge is planning to trade away all the other Utah vets.

Okay, let's assume we can't start the season with Mitchell - there are 29 other teams. I'm sure there is someone that can put together an offer we like. It might be the Knicks, it might not be. But I don't get the sensitivity about Ainge not liking what they have to offer.

[babyjax13]

I think it's a bit silly to think that Utah has to deal with the Knicks. Someone will make an offer Danny likes, or he will decide to build around Mitchell. Now, I'm not the biggest fan of Ainge, either - but we know how he operates and it doesn't involve capitulation when he thinks he's right.

The damage is already done. You as a GM can't shop around your superstar all offseason and then all of a sudden have a change of heart and decide to keep him. What is he gonna tell Mitchell? That he just changed his mind. Donovan is quiet now but he's gonna ask out if this continues thru the season. Especially since Ainge is planning to trade away all the other Utah vets.

Okay, let's assume we can't start the season with Mitchell - there are 29 other teams. I'm sure there is someone that can put together an offer we like. It might be the Knicks, it might not be. But I don't get the sensitivity about Ainge not liking what they have to offer.

[iLLmatic860]

I think it's a bit silly to think that Utah has to deal with the Knicks. Someone will make an offer Danny likes, or he will decide to build around Mitchell. Now, I'm not the biggest fan of Ainge, either - but we know how he operates and it doesn't involve capitulation when he thinks he's right.

Honestly thats fine then. Go find another suitor then. The knicks don't have to trade for Dmitch now anyways. Hes not gonna make us a contender next season.

[jc23]

remember that phrase annoying heat fans kept saying the summer lebron signed there? that.

[Sweet Meat Lew]

Don’t wanna trade us D Mitchell? Hey Brooklyn, how’s Randle, 4 firsts, and D Rose for KD?

We have 8 firsts at our disposal, don’t mess this up, and like I been saying since this regime took over, I’ve got faith in them not messing this up.

Even four firsts is a lot of picks, but if we can do fournier, Reddish, 4 firsts, I’m into it. If not let Danny [and unfortunately, Donovan] rot.

The less we give up in a Mitchell deal the more we have for a follow up deal to pair another star next to RJ:Brunson:Mitchell.

Yes, Randle and 3 or 4 firsts can get you something in this market.

If that were enough he'd already be gone. Think about it...would you accept that trade for KD?

[JimmyPlopper]

Mitchell destinations:
Hawks: no
Hornets: no
Heat: maybe
Magic: maybe
Sixers: no
Celtics: no
Knicks: maybe
Nets: maybe
Raptors: maybe
Pacers: no
Bucks: no
Pistons: no
Cavs: maybe
Bulls: no
Spurs: no
Mavs: no
Rockets: no
Pelicans: no
Grizzlies: no
Thunder: maybe
Wolves: no
Blazers: maybe
Nuggets: maybe
Lakers: no
Clippers: no
Warriors: no
Kings: maybe
Suns: no

[JimmyPlopper]

Magic could offer Suggs, Issac, Ross plus picks

[JimmyPlopper]

Fultz/Mitchell/Wagner/Banchero/Carter Jr

[Darthlukey]

Magic could offer Suggs, Issac, Ross plus picks

Probably not enough (depending on how many picks) given that Isaac is coming off that injury, Ross is just filler really and (my opinion only) is that Suggs is not as good as first thought when drafted

[Darthlukey]

He won’t budge on his ask of SIX first round picks? No problem, let Mitchell ruin your tank and just have yourself a disgruntled superstar. We have all the assets and therefore we, the Knicks, can dictate how this goes down.

Don’t wanna trade us D Mitchell? Hey Brooklyn, how’s Randle, 4 firsts, and D Rose for KD?

We have 8 firsts at our disposal, don’t mess this up, and like I been saying since this regime took over, I’ve got faith in them not messing this up.

Even four firsts is a lot of picks, but if we can do fournier, Reddish, 4 firsts, I’m into it. If not let Danny [and unfortunately, Donovan] rot.

The less we give up in a Mitchell deal the more we have for a follow up deal to pair another star next to RJ:Brunson:Mitchell.

Yes, Randle and 3 or 4 firsts can get you something in this market.

Im sure part of Trader Danny's strategy (be it right or wrong) is to take enough assets to ensure that the Knicks have nothing else to trade in a big move. That way the is a better chance future Knicks will be worth more (very long term - 7 years)

[Tukkerwolf]

The Murray & Gobert trades completely screwed up the trade market.

Neither of them were worth those deals.

People keep saying Wolves and Hawks overpaid. Maybe crappy firsts aren't worth what fans think they are.

Teams were afraid to trade 1st round picks for YEARS after what Billy King did in Brooklyn.

Franchises like the Hawks & Wolves have constantly teetered on the swing of mediocrity — and they’ve moved picks that are 5 years out.

All it takes is one bad year to convey a top pick.

Wolves and Hawks are some of the youngest teams in the league, with their core under contract for the duration of those picks, that's a big difference to the Net's situation.

Secondly, your second sentence is the exact reason the Wolves made this trade. The chances of those picks netting a player that contribute on a level that Gobert does, while Ant and Towns are under contract are extremely small. All those years of mediocrity are the reason they are swinging for the fences. If you think a Ant + Towns team has the same or a higher ceiling than a Ant + Towns + Gobert team, that's fine, but the Wolves' FO doesn't, and I agree with them.

[stitches]

I think it's a bit silly to think that Utah has to deal with the Knicks. Someone will make an offer Danny likes, or he will decide to build around Mitchell. Now, I'm not the biggest fan of Ainge, either - but we know how he operates and it doesn't involve capitulation when he thinks he's right.

The damage is already done. You as a GM can't shop around your superstar all offseason and then all of a sudden have a change of heart and decide to keep him. What is he gonna tell Mitchell? That he just changed his mind. Donovan is quiet now but he's gonna ask out if this continues thru the season. Especially since Ainge is planning to trade away all the other Utah vets.

Okay, let's assume we can't start the season with Mitchell - there are 29 other teams. I'm sure there is someone that can put together an offer we like. It might be the Knicks, it might not be. But I don't get the sensitivity about Ainge not liking what they have to offer.

That's the thing some Knicks fans don't seem to realize. They want to give up their pu pu platter of protected picks and filler and think that's enough. Yes, the Knicks have one of the better packages that can be offered for Mitchell... BUT that's only if they actually offer the good stuff they have. If they don't, then there about 20 teams that can beat their 4-5 heavily protected picks offer.

[OrangeBlueSkies]

He won’t budge on his ask of SIX first round picks? No problem, let Mitchell ruin your tank and just have yourself a disgruntled superstar. We have all the assets and therefore we, the Knicks, can dictate how this goes down.

Don’t wanna trade us D Mitchell? Hey Brooklyn, how’s Randle, 4 firsts, and D Rose for KD?

We have 8 firsts at our disposal, don’t mess this up, and like I been saying since this regime took over, I’ve got faith in them not messing this up.

Even four firsts is a lot of picks, but if we can do fournier, Reddish, 4 firsts, I’m into it. If not let Danny [and unfortunately, Donovan] rot.

The less we give up in a Mitchell deal the more we have for a follow up deal to pair another star next to RJ:Brunson:Mitchell.

Yes, Randle and 3 or 4 firsts can get you something in this market.

Im sure part of Trader Danny's strategy (be it right or wrong) is to take enough assets to ensure that the Knicks have nothing else to trade in a big move. That way the is a better chance future Knicks will be worth more (very long term - 7 years)

Yea, I just do not see this Knicks front office being that near-sighted. Their whole MO has been flexibility in terms of contracts and tradable assets.

[OrangeBlueSkies]

The damage is already done. You as a GM can't shop around your superstar all offseason and then all of a sudden have a change of heart and decide to keep him. What is he gonna tell Mitchell? That he just changed his mind. Donovan is quiet now but he's gonna ask out if this continues thru the season. Especially since Ainge is planning to trade away all the other Utah vets.

Okay, let's assume we can't start the season with Mitchell - there are 29 other teams. I'm sure there is someone that can put together an offer we like. It might be the Knicks, it might not be. But I don't get the sensitivity about Ainge not liking what they have to offer.

That's the thing some Knicks fans don't seem to realize. They want to give up their pu pu platter of protected picks and filler and think that's enough. Yes, the Knicks have one of the better packages that can be offered for Mitchell... BUT that's only if they actually offer the good stuff they have. If they don't, then there about 20 teams that can beat their 4-5 heavily protected picks offer.

So go deal with those other 20 teams, not many can offer unprotected picks and still compete. Go trade with Miami and max out Tyler Herro. We, the Knicks, have assets to be very busy and efficient.

[OrangeBlueSkies]

Don’t wanna trade us D Mitchell? Hey Brooklyn, how’s Randle, 4 firsts, and D Rose for KD?

We have 8 firsts at our disposal, don’t mess this up, and like I been saying since this regime took over, I’ve got faith in them not messing this up.

Even four firsts is a lot of picks, but if we can do fournier, Reddish, 4 firsts, I’m into it. If not let Danny [and unfortunately, Donovan] rot.

The less we give up in a Mitchell deal the more we have for a follow up deal to pair another star next to RJ:Brunson:Mitchell.

Yes, Randle and 3 or 4 firsts can get you something in this market.

If that were enough he'd already be gone. Think about it...would you accept that trade for KD?

listen i was just making the point. we can trade 7 firsts and Randle for KD, cant we? Think about that... It's just the point being we should not OVERPAY for Donovan Mitchell just because MIN OVERPAID for Rudy Gobert.

[Jadoogar]

He won’t budge on his ask of SIX first round picks? No problem, let Mitchell ruin your tank and just have yourself a disgruntled superstar. We have all the assets and therefore we, the Knicks, can dictate how this goes down.

Don’t wanna trade us D Mitchell? Hey Brooklyn, how’s Randle, 4 firsts, and D Rose for KD?

We have 8 firsts at our disposal, don’t mess this up, and like I been saying since this regime took over, I’ve got faith in them not messing this up.

Even four firsts is a lot of picks, but if we can do fournier, Reddish, 4 firsts, I’m into it. If not let Danny [and unfortunately, Donovan] rot.

The less we give up in a Mitchell deal the more we have for a follow up deal to pair another star next to RJ:Brunson:Mitchell.

Yes, Randle and 3 or 4 firsts can get you something in this market.

THE Demolition Man


You know everyone wants to claim Ainge got soooo much for Gorbert. I'm not so sure. Minnesota got none of the Wolves top four players ... maybe not even a top six guy. That's a lot of salary filler. Would Beasley, Beverly or Vanderbilt get you a FRP in a heads up trade? I'm not so sure.
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Utah probably didn't want any of the Wolves' top 4 players (aside from Edwards obviously). It's the same reason that i don't think Jazz will want RJ Barrett. The goal is to tank, picks and young cheap players are goal.

[Jadoogar]

The problem with the Jazz is that their development timeline is out of whack. They need to flush out the old players, gather assets and rebuild with young talent that's aligned agewise. This theoretically creates a 7 or 8-year window to build a new iteration of the team.

With Mitchell only having a few years left on his current deal, it doesn't give the Jazz enough runway to really rebuild properly. In the meantime, Mitchell isn't going to enjoy losing a lot of games. So it makes some sense for both sides to move on.

This is precisely why I see the Jazz as the motivated sellers at this point. Cats out of the bag after the Gobert and O'Neal deals. This is a rebuilding ship and that's not an ideal spot for a star coming into his prime.

Knicks are heading in the right direction slowly and have less of an urgency to do something right now. Knicks would be wise to allow some time to pass until Jazz come back to the table with better offer. Time is on the side of NYK

Jazz don't need to move Mitchell this offseason. They can wait until the trade deadline or next offseason. They can tell the Knicks to come back with a top-10 pick in the next draft. Jazz are the team with time on their side. The Pels held onto Jrue Holiday an extra year after they traded AD. Basically, it's the same situation.

i agree they don't HAVE to move him but i do think they are motivated to move him quickly. There are several teams already committed to tank, if the Jazz go like 12-8 in their first 20, they may already be too far ahead of the truely bad teams (Pacers, OKC, etc). There is a big difference between picking top 3 and picking 9th, just ask the Knicks.

[myronbolitar]

Danny Ainge was a multi-sport athlete, an NBA champion, had a long, great career as a player, coached for a bit, was a successful GM for almost 20 years in Boston, is well-respected in his church and community, etc. This is all part of the reason why he's a strong decision maker. He's not going to panic. He knows he's going to be fine.

I promise you - Danny Ainge isn't getting fleeced by anyone on a Donovan Mitchell deal.

[NZB2323]

I think it's a bit silly to think that Utah has to deal with the Knicks. Someone will make an offer Danny likes, or he will decide to build around Mitchell. Now, I'm not the biggest fan of Ainge, either - but we know how he operates and it doesn't involve capitulation when he thinks he's right.

The damage is already done. You as a GM can't shop around your superstar all offseason and then all of a sudden have a change of heart and decide to keep him. What is he gonna tell Mitchell? That he just changed his mind. Donovan is quiet now but he's gonna ask out if this continues thru the season. Especially since Ainge is planning to trade away all the other Utah vets.

Ainge believes the Celtics should have traded Bird and McHale to rebuild in the 90s and makes all players available at all times. People also criticized him for not trading Jaylen Brown and/or Jayson Tatum for Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, and other stars but the Celtics turned out pretty well.