Are the Knicks even better than the Pistons?

[RHODEY]

The Knicks are better right now, but Detroit has a much higher ceiling. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up with similar records.

I doubt it. I agree Detroit has pieces but just based on stages in rebuild Detroit is probably 2-3 seasons from winning basketball. When that time comes they probably will be more talented, but that wasn’t the question of the thread. The Knicks are the better team right now. Detroit will be noticeably worst this year.

The Knicks are not going to stand still while Detroit's yutes gain experience. They will likely improve too.

[WargamesX]

The Knicks are better right now, but Detroit has a much higher ceiling. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up with similar records.

I doubt it. I agree Detroit has pieces but just based on stages in rebuild Detroit is probably 2-3 seasons from winning basketball. When that time comes they probably will be more talented, but that wasn’t the question of the thread. The Knicks are the better team right now. Detroit will be noticeably worst this year.

Pistons have better building blocks (Cade, Ivey, Bey, Duran) with more upside for sure.

I only think Cade and Ivey might be better….

[WargamesX]

The Knicks are better right now, but Detroit has a much higher ceiling. I wouldn't be surprised if they end up with similar records.

I doubt it. I agree Detroit has pieces but just based on stages in rebuild Detroit is probably 2-3 seasons from winning basketball. When that time comes they probably will be more talented, but that wasn’t the question of the thread. The Knicks are the better team right now. Detroit will be noticeably worst this year.

The Knicks are not going to stand still while Detroit's yutes gain experience. They will likely improve too.

I was just being polite. We can’t predict the future though Detroit is likely adding another high draft pick this year too.

[DaGawd]

I doubt it. I agree Detroit has pieces but just based on stages in rebuild Detroit is probably 2-3 seasons from winning basketball. When that time comes they probably will be more talented, but that wasn’t the question of the thread. The Knicks are the better team right now. Detroit will be noticeably worst this year.

Pistons have better building blocks (Cade, Ivey, Bey, Duran) with more upside for sure.

I only think Cade and Ivey might be better….

agreed. youth is highly overrated by a lot of fans. to me duren most likely tops out as a mitchell robinson type just for comparison sake.. nothing special but a very valuable player. bey imo also tops out as a microwave scoring type but not a star level talent. that leaves cade and ivey as the only real star potential talents on the pistons roster. i like em both but it’s rare every single prospect your organization drafts reaches their full potential

[buzzkilloton]

Ofc the Knicks are better today. Not sure why this was ever a question. Comparing a vet team to a team of kids its not a fair comparison.

If you said better future its clearly the Pistons. Were on completely diff timelines. The Knicks are pushing for playins were happy getting another lotto pick.

The Pistons have more vets than the Knicks right now. Randle (28), Fournier (30), and Rose (34) are the only players over 26 on the roster. The Pistons have Bogdanovic, Burks, Joseph, Noel, McGruder all over 28 and older.

Why are you comparing the spare parts? Those guys are just filler for a tanking roster. Bogdan is a rental player we just picked him up he will be traded at the deadline hes on the last year of a contract.

Our core guys are all kids on rookie deals. I'm not even sure if we are keeping Bey age 23 and Stewart another 21yo baby, depends on contracts. Our main pieces are the youngest player in the NBA Duren,Cade 21, and Ivey at 20.

Randle 27,Barrett 22,Brunson 26 Your two best guys are all star level players in Randles case already a all star and both are in their primes.

Knicks are going for the playoffs. Pistons are going for VW.

[Scalabrine]

Ofc the Knicks are better today. Not sure why this was ever a question. Comparing a vet team to a team of kids its not a fair comparison.

If you said better future its clearly the Pistons. Were on completely diff timelines. The Knicks are pushing for playins were happy getting another lotto pick.

The Pistons have more vets than the Knicks right now. Randle (28), Fournier (30), and Rose (34) are the only players over 26 on the roster. The Pistons have Bogdanovic, Burks, Joseph, Noel, McGruder all over 28 and older.

Why are you comparing the spare parts? Those guys are just filler for a tanking roster. Bogdan is a rental player we just picked him up he will be traded at the deadline hes on the last year of a contract.

Our core guys are all kids on rookie deals. I'm not even sure if we are keeping Bey age 23 and Stewart another 21yo baby, depends on contracts. Our main pieces are the youngest player in the NBA Duren,Cade 21, and Ivey at 20.

Randle 27,Barrett 22,Brunson 26 Your two best guys are all star level players in Randles case already a all star and both are in their primes.

Knicks are going for the playoffs. Pistons are going for VW.

Im comparing the overall roster and that we have a nice young core too. If you want to pull out your veterans than so can we. We don't know anything about Duran and Ivey at this point to include them in this core. Yesterday, to me, both players looked absolutely lost for most of their time on the floor. If you want to count two guys as core pieces...two games into their rookie year (!) then I would love to tell you the story of Kevin Knox and Frank Ntilikina.

[buzzkilloton]

The Pistons have more vets than the Knicks right now. Randle (28), Fournier (30), and Rose (34) are the only players over 26 on the roster. The Pistons have Bogdanovic, Burks, Joseph, Noel, McGruder all over 28 and older.

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Im comparing the overall roster and that we have a nice young core too. If you want to pull out your veterans than so can we. We don't know anything about Duran and Ivey at this point to include them in this core. Yesterday, to me, both players looked absolutely lost for most of their time on the floor. If you want to count two guys as core pieces...two games into their rookie year (!) then I would love to tell you the story of Kevin Knox and Frank Ntilikina.

[iLLmatic860]

Ofc the Knicks are better today. Not sure why this was ever a question. Comparing a vet team to a team of kids its not a fair comparison.

If you said better future its clearly the Pistons. Were on completely diff timelines. The Knicks are pushing for playins were happy getting another lotto pick.

The Pistons have more vets than the Knicks right now. Randle (28), Fournier (30), and Rose (34) are the only players over 26 on the roster. The Pistons have Bogdanovic, Burks, Joseph, Noel, McGruder all over 28 and older.

Why are you comparing the spare parts? Those guys are just filler for a tanking roster. Bogdan is a rental player we just picked him up he will be traded at the deadline hes on the last year of a contract.
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You called the Knicks a vet team lol

[buzzkilloton]

The Pistons have more vets than the Knicks right now. Randle (28), Fournier (30), and Rose (34) are the only players over 26 on the roster. The Pistons have Bogdanovic, Burks, Joseph, Noel, McGruder all over 28 and older.

Why are you comparing the spare parts? Those guys are just filler for a tanking roster. Bogdan is a rental player we just picked him up he will be traded at the deadline hes on the last year of a contract.
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You called the Knicks a vet team lol

Your teams two best players are 26 and 27 you have Fournier and D.Rose playing serious rotation minutes. Its a vet team.

Knicks fans in denial that their anything more then a vet led treadmill team.

[cgf]

Ofc the Knicks are better today. Not sure why this was ever a question. Comparing a vet team to a team of kids its not a fair comparison.

If you said better future its clearly the Pistons. Were on completely diff timelines. The Knicks are pushing for playins were happy getting another lotto pick.

This thread was started by a Pistons fan that wanted to dunk on us for our pursuit of Brunson...that said, we only have 4 players over 24yo (Brunson, Randle, Fournier, & Rose); so we're not exactly a veteran team either.

Though you're certainly right that you're further off and more comfortable with tanking this year than we are. Just wanted to explain where this thread came from and to point out how young we are also.

[cgf]

I don't think former agents make good general managers. Read into that what you will.

FWIW I can't really complain about this FO too much as a Knicks fan. They went a different direction than I wanted last summer...I would've sent Portland the pick we spent on Reddish for GTJ and probably chased Lonzo...but they maintained enough flexibility to pivot this summer and so far Brunson is looking like a homerun.

Mitchell would've been great, but once you offered that third unprotected FRP we had to bow out or we would never be able to afford someone even better than Mitchell to turn us into contenders. So I can't really fault them there.

In general, they've shown really refreshing patience while they try to be opportunistic with the asset pool that they've done a good job of expanding...and I like their drafting in the later first & second rounds; Grimes & Quickley both look like big hits in the last first while both Sims & McBride look likely to carve out NBA careers for themselves as SRPs.

Not saying the FO is doing great, but we're in much better shape than when they took over.

[cgf]

Why are you comparing the spare parts? Those guys are just filler for a tanking roster. Bogdan is a rental player we just picked him up he will be traded at the deadline hes on the last year of a contract.
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You called the Knicks a vet team lol

Your teams two best players are 26 and 27 you have Fournier and D.Rose playing serious rotation minutes. Its a vet team.

Knicks fans in denial that their anything more then a vet led treadmill team.

it's always fun when people double down on their mistakes. Two of our three best players have started their primes, but the other is just 22. While our starting Center is 24.

And if you're going to point to Fournier & Rose as significant contributors, then you're going to need to deal with people pointing to Grimes, Quickley, Reddish, Toppin, & Hartenstein as significant contributors who are 24 or younger

[RHODEY]

You called the Knicks a vet team lol

Your teams two best players are 26 and 27 you have Fournier and D.Rose playing serious rotation minutes. Its a vet team.

Knicks fans in denial that their anything more then a vet led treadmill team.

it's always fun when people double down on their mistakes. Two of our three best players have started their primes, but the other is just 22. While our starting Center is 24.

And if you're going to point to Fournier & Rose as significant contributors, then you're going to need to deal with people pointing to Grimes, Quickley, Reddish, Toppin, & Hartenstein as significant contributors who are 24 or younger

Detroit fans ran away from this thread as soon as the regular season started.

[tmorgan]

No we didn’t. At least, not the non-delusional ones.

I hoped we wouldn’t suck this bad, but it’s not that surprising.

[vege]

Your teams two best players are 26 and 27 you have Fournier and D.Rose playing serious rotation minutes. Its a vet team.

Knicks fans in denial that their anything more then a vet led treadmill team.

it's always fun when people double down on their mistakes. Two of our three best players have started their primes, but the other is just 22. While our starting Center is 24.

And if you're going to point to Fournier & Rose as significant contributors, then you're going to need to deal with people pointing to Grimes, Quickley, Reddish, Toppin, & Hartenstein as significant contributors who are 24 or younger

Detroit fans ran away from this thread as soon as the regular season started.

1 troll started a thread and you attack the whole fanbase? Cool.

[buzzkilloton]

Your teams two best players are 26 and 27 you have Fournier and D.Rose playing serious rotation minutes. Its a vet team.

Knicks fans in denial that their anything more then a vet led treadmill team.

it's always fun when people double down on their mistakes. Two of our three best players have started their primes, but the other is just 22. While our starting Center is 24.

And if you're going to point to Fournier & Rose as significant contributors, then you're going to need to deal with people pointing to Grimes, Quickley, Reddish, Toppin, & Hartenstein as significant contributors who are 24 or younger

Detroit fans ran away from this thread as soon as the regular season started.

Not running just happily tanking for the best prospect since LBJ.

Enjoy that treadmill!

[iLLmatic860]

it's always fun when people double down on their mistakes. Two of our three best players have started their primes, but the other is just 22. While our starting Center is 24.

And if you're going to point to Fournier & Rose as significant contributors, then you're going to need to deal with people pointing to Grimes, Quickley, Reddish, Toppin, & Hartenstein as significant contributors who are 24 or younger

Detroit fans ran away from this thread as soon as the regular season started.

1 troll started a thread and you attack the whole fanbase? Cool.

That’s what they doing to Knicks fans in the Brunson thread lol. Its the GB. This section shouldn’t really be taken seriously.

[RHODEY]

it's always fun when people double down on their mistakes. Two of our three best players have started their primes, but the other is just 22. While our starting Center is 24.

And if you're going to point to Fournier & Rose as significant contributors, then you're going to need to deal with people pointing to Grimes, Quickley, Reddish, Toppin, & Hartenstein as significant contributors who are 24 or younger

Detroit fans ran away from this thread as soon as the regular season started.

1 troll started a thread and you attack the whole fanbase? Cool.

[cgf]

it's always fun when people double down on their mistakes. Two of our three best players have started their primes, but the other is just 22. While our starting Center is 24.

And if you're going to point to Fournier & Rose as significant contributors, then you're going to need to deal with people pointing to Grimes, Quickley, Reddish, Toppin, & Hartenstein as significant contributors who are 24 or younger

Detroit fans ran away from this thread as soon as the regular season started.

1 troll started a thread and you attack the whole fanbase? Cool.

Is that poster attacking the whole fanbase rather than just the ones who posted in this thread over the summer to dunk on the Knicks?

[vege]

Detroit fans ran away from this thread as soon as the regular season started.

1 troll started a thread and you attack the whole fanbase? Cool.

Is that poster attacking the whole fanbase rather than just the ones who posted in this thread over the summer to dunk on the Knicks?

I feel bad for you guys.