2022-23 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.1)

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It's early but who is your current NBA MVP?

Giannis Antetokounmpo
99
26%
Luka Doncic
75
20%
Jayson Tatum
80
21%
Nikola Jokic
53
14%
Stephen Curry
33
9%
Donovan Mitchell
4
1%
Ja Morant
2
1%
Zion Williamson
12
3%
Devin Booker
12
3%
Joel Embiid
14
4%
 
Total votes: 384

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Post#181 » by Yuri36 » Fri Oct 28, 2022 12:06 pm

HotRocks34 wrote:
NBA4Lyfe wrote:harden has been left completely off all-nba teams because of his style of play. the same style of play that luka is making 1st team using


In addition to his NBA award, Harden has 6 first-team All-NBA selections of his 13 completed seasons. One of them was during his 2017-18 MVP campaign.

Harden and Westbrook are future Hall of Famers. I know people like to put them down, but they've earned their way into the Hall.

We'll see if Luka does, too.



Lol even if Luka stops his career today, he definitely makes the Hall of Fame.
Look at some of the players who made it ffs.
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Re: 2022-23 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.1) 

Post#182 » by CobraCommander » Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:07 pm

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CobraCommander wrote:Hummmm so you saying there is a bias....lol



when james harden averages 29/7/7 and leads the entire nba in total points and doesnt make a single all-nba team, YES THEIR IS BIAS. And thankfully the players are getting the season ending voting privledges back in the next cba


Wasn't the year that you are referring when Westbrook and Curry made in front of him? That was MVP Westbrook, right? And Curry, well, is Curry. If Westbrook made it in front of Harden, and your entire argument was that the media was anti-Westbrook as well, is that really a good argument? Also, why not just come out and say what you think? You are saying that Luka has privileges, because he is white. What horsecrap, when it's the exact opposite. Both him and Jokic has been penalized for being white European players in their entire career, getting the soft and crap on defense stereotype, regardless of what they've been doing on the court (and yes, they had terrible defensive games, but they are not terrible overall defenders, far from it in fact).

Also, you are actually double-wrong in your assessment, because high usage doesn't mean playing similarly. Luka is much closer to LeBron in playing style as he is to Westbrook or Harden. Luka and LeBron are PGs when it comes to their flair and finding the open guy with creative passes. Harden, even when he averaged 11 assists, never really had that, at least not to that degree. Same goes for Westbrook, who doesn't have Luka and LeBron's footwork and post-game.

Harden doesn't really have back to the basket game, he spams drives and he doesn't shoot mid-range J's. Luka has EVERYTHING, fakes, footwork, midrange, back to the basket, step backs (obviously), up and unders, even a hook shot which he doesn't use a whole lot, but sometimes he does. Never seen Westbrook or even Harden attempting a hook shot (I'm sure Harden at least has a couple). So yeah, all in all, saying that if two players have 38-40% usage rate, they are the same, is a very lazy assessment. They are not at all that similar.

You Can like Luka but saying Jokic and Luka have been penalized for being white Europeans is illogical in a world where both these white Europeans are first team all NBA and MVP/MVP candidates- I don’t think we should bring race or country into these debates....if the other poster was implying race bias- I wasn’t -

I thought the poster was implying that Luka is getting a pass for doing the same high volume, high usage on Low percentage shooting with high turn overs that these same media people hated about Westbrook...and honestly I thought that was a fair take...

But I ain’t doing the racial thing with y’all about Luka and definitely not about jokic....

Jokic is considered the best in the world by many people that also love Giannis - Jokic coming off a 2 time MVP run and hasn’t slowed up.
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Re: 2022-23 NBA MVP Discussion (Pt.1) 

Post#183 » by advent11 » Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:53 pm

CobraCommander wrote:I thought the poster was implying that Luka is getting a pass for doing the same high volume, high usage on Low percentage shooting with high turn overs that these same media people hated about Westbrook...and honestly I thought that was a fair take....


Career TS:
Luka regular season: .573
Luka playoffs: .58

Westbrook regular season: .527
Westbrook playoffs: .508
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Post#184 » by CobraCommander » Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:24 pm

advent11 wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:I thought the poster was implying that Luka is getting a pass for doing the same high volume, high usage on Low percentage shooting with high turn overs that these same media people hated about Westbrook...and honestly I thought that was a fair take....


Career TS:
Luka regular season: .573
Luka playoffs: .58

Westbrook regular season: .527
Westbrook playoffs: .508

Please pick from Westbrooks best years where some in the media have said those things. Westbrooks career has been a downward spiral so his career numbers must have taken a hit. Either way Luka is a volume scorer with high usage and doesn’t shoot a high % from anywhere. That’s not a criticism of him - those are facts- but but but… some of the greatest in history are just like Luka in that regard so don’t think that’s an insult and get mad at me for pointing out that. The Luka comp is harden and Luka has never shot as well as harden -
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Post#185 » by nikster » Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:30 pm

CobraCommander wrote:
advent11 wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:I thought the poster was implying that Luka is getting a pass for doing the same high volume, high usage on Low percentage shooting with high turn overs that these same media people hated about Westbrook...and honestly I thought that was a fair take....


Career TS:
Luka regular season: .573
Luka playoffs: .58

Westbrook regular season: .527
Westbrook playoffs: .508

Please pick from Westbrooks best years where some in the media have said those things. Westbrooks career has been a downward spiral so his career numbers must have taken a hit. Either way Luka is a volume scorer with high usage and doesn’t shoot a high % from anywhere. That’s not a criticism of him - those are facts- but but but… some of the greatest in history are just like Luka in that regard so don’t think that’s an insult and get mad at me for pointing out that. The Luka comp is harden and Luka has never shot as well as harden -

Until you look at playoffs
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Post#186 » by Oscar9992 » Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:43 pm

Crazy pass sequence by Luka

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Post#187 » by nikster » Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:47 pm

I feel like Pascal could be a dark horse candidate if Raps do well. His playmaking is looking great and it seems he's able to play at high defensive level again while maintaining his offensive load.

25/9/8 through 5 games
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Post#188 » by nikster » Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:50 pm

Oscar9992 wrote:Crazy pass sequence by Luka

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Man he can make a pass to anyone on the floor at any time, so hard to defend
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Post#189 » by Archx » Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:16 pm

CobraCommander wrote:
advent11 wrote:
CobraCommander wrote:I thought the poster was implying that Luka is getting a pass for doing the same high volume, high usage on Low percentage shooting with high turn overs that these same media people hated about Westbrook...and honestly I thought that was a fair take....


Career TS:
Luka regular season: .573
Luka playoffs: .58

Westbrook regular season: .527
Westbrook playoffs: .508

Please pick from Westbrooks best years where some in the media have said those things. Westbrooks career has been a downward spiral so his career numbers must have taken a hit. Either way Luka is a volume scorer with high usage and doesn’t shoot a high % from anywhere. That’s not a criticism of him - those are facts- but but but… some of the greatest in history are just like Luka in that regard so don’t think that’s an insult and get mad at me for pointing out that. The Luka comp is harden and Luka has never shot as well as harden -



Why do you keep doing this every season? You're a smart poster and i know what you're trying to do and i get it, i don't blame you for that... but the fact that you know yourself how wrong you are and you keep going on and on with the same BS everytime.

I'll say again, people compare Luka to Harden and for some idiotic reason with Westbrook aswell. Harden, even in his prime days, was more or less a product of abusing fouls. People literally came up with memes because of that and NBA had to adjust because it was just unwatchable it was so absurd. A defender ran next to Harden when he drove to the rim and it was a foul. If he didn't shoot 20 FT's in a game, it felt incredibly unnatural. It was so extreme. But i'll still give it to him, he did manage to score in different type of scenarios, he did carry games and made his team better, no doubt about that.

Russ on the other hand, you compare his shooting to Luka. He was only ONCE close to being at 50% eFG% and that was 49.3%, Luka in his worse season (rookie season) was already better at 49.7%. Career = 53%.

Russ TS% best year was 55%, Luka's WORST year was, again, rookie at 54.5%

Doncic is very good in mid range and around the rim, he can struggle with 3's when he's taking so many tough shots and when he's tired. But his overal shooting efficiency still somehow holds at least above average, specially for that type of high USG% player.

I know you won't like to hear this but Luka's mid range and around the rim numbers (per career) are better than Lebron's right now. And when you couple all of that with the fact that he's doing most of his scoring in ISO scenarios (or if you only look at % of asissted points), then you see how absolutely insane his game really is and Russ' shooting comparisons are absolutely disrespectful to Luka.

People love to mention TO's. Dude is a one man show in Dallas, again, high USG% proves that... The fact that Luka averages 4 TO's per game in his career, is actually not a lot.
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Post#190 » by BmanInBigD » Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:40 pm

Yeah, comparing Westbrook's shooting to Luka's is not that close. Luka has been 53-55% eFG since his rookie season. WB has only sniffed 50% once but never made it. Luka takes too many bad 3's, and I wish he would cut those down, but damn is that dude good from inside the arc, especially with the attention he gets. He has to get almost everything on his own.
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Post#191 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:13 pm

nikster wrote:I feel like Pascal could be a dark horse candidate if Raps do well. His playmaking is looking great and it seems he's able to play at high defensive level again while maintaining his offensive load.

25/9/8 through 5 games

Those are good numbers but I just don't seem him having the stats to credibly be a real contender. Giannis is at like 36/13/5 in significantly less minutes. Last year, he was 29/12/6. What do you think pascal will end up with and what is Raps doing well? Like they would need to be the 1 seed and him play even better to match last year's big 3.
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Post#192 » by KGtabake » Fri Oct 28, 2022 5:42 pm

I think that Embiids chances of getting one are done.
He will not do it with harden by his side, his chance was in the previous two seasons.

I would love Tatum to steal one from Giannis, Luka and Jokic but Boston will have to get the top seed.

As for Ja, it's way too early for him.
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Post#193 » by Hello Brooklyn » Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:53 pm

I thought it would be Embiid, but looking less likely no.

Might be between Giannis and Ja.

Ja is actually a really good bet if he doesn't get hurt.
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Post#194 » by Oscar9992 » Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:00 pm

KGtabake wrote:I think that Embiids chances of getting one are done.
He will not do it with harden by his side, his chance was in the previous two seasons.

I would love Tatum to steal one from Giannis, Luka and Jokic but Boston will have to get the top seed.

As for Ja, it's way too early for him.


Celtics getting the top seed is much much higher than Mavs'.

I don't believe Mavs will be a top seed in near future & I support Mavs.
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Post#195 » by Exp0sed » Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:10 pm

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KGtabake wrote:I think that Embiids chances of getting one are done.
He will not do it with harden by his side, his chance was in the previous two seasons.

I would love Tatum to steal one from Giannis, Luka and Jokic but Boston will have to get the top seed.

As for Ja, it's way too early for him.


Celtics getting the top seed is much much higher than Mavs'.

I don't believe Mavs will be a top seed in near future & I support Mavs.


why not?
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Post#196 » by Oscar9992 » Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:11 pm

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Oscar9992 wrote:
KGtabake wrote:I think that Embiids chances of getting one are done.
He will not do it with harden by his side, his chance was in the previous two seasons.

I would love Tatum to steal one from Giannis, Luka and Jokic but Boston will have to get the top seed.

As for Ja, it's way too early for him.


Celtics getting the top seed is much much higher than Mavs'.

I don't believe Mavs will be a top seed in near future & I support Mavs.


why not?


Mediocre mid table roster. We won't get the top seed in the West. No way. :-?
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Post#199 » by nikster » Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:54 pm

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nikster wrote:I feel like Pascal could be a dark horse candidate if Raps do well. His playmaking is looking great and it seems he's able to play at high defensive level again while maintaining his offensive load.

25/9/8 through 5 games

Those are good numbers but I just don't seem him having the stats to credibly be a real contender. Giannis is at like 36/13/5 in significantly less minutes. Last year, he was 29/12/6. What do you think pascal will end up with and what is Raps doing well? Like they would need to be the 1 seed and him play even better to match last year's big 3.

Maybe "darkhorse" is generous lol, I dont really believe he will win but I can see him being in the conversation and maybe get some votes. Something like 25+/9 and 7-8 assists and top 2 in the East would put him there. He needs to improve his efficiency, had a especially rough start from free throw line. I feel like Jokic has voter fatigue against him, and if theres a big enough gap between Raps and 76ers Siakam could get votes over Embiid
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Post#200 » by RapZilla » Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:12 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
nikster wrote:I feel like Pascal could be a dark horse candidate if Raps do well. His playmaking is looking great and it seems he's able to play at high defensive level again while maintaining his offensive load.

25/9/8 through 5 games

Those are good numbers but I just don't seem him having the stats to credibly be a real contender. Giannis is at like 36/13/5 in significantly less minutes. Last year, he was 29/12/6. What do you think pascal will end up with and what is Raps doing well? Like they would need to be the 1 seed and him play even better to match last year's big 3.


I don't think anyone is seriously trying to make a case for him as the MVP at this point (at least I hope not), especially when guys like Luka, GIannis, Ja, KD, Steph etc... are still doing what they do. BUT.... he is looking fantastic and made the top 5 on the Kia MVP Ladder (FWIW). https://www.nba.com/news/kia-mvp-ladder-oct-28-2022-edition

I expect his #'s to head downwards... but not dramatically. His playmaking ability is real and he can rebound and score with the best of them. Plays great defense too.

But damn, Giannis, Ja and Luka are going insane right now. They deserve all the hype.
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