Nick Nurse Is Overrated

[WuTang_CMB]

you mean like how the entire conference lost to that #8 seed?

the Knicks lost to a middling Indy team right after they beat Nurse and Embiid

Buck were the #1 seed and won 58 games lol. You can admit it was a very bad result and Bud was a trainwreck.

Why do you justify Philly's exit but hold Milwaukee accountable?

The Heat proved they were a better team than the Knicks

The Bucks had more challenges than the 76ers, Giannis missing 2.5 games and the HC going through a pretty serious tragedy

Both should be accountable. I said the Bucks was way worse which is fact. Bucks were a #1 seed. Philly dropped to #7. Where are you coming from lol

[junot111]

You need good players to win. If you have good players, Nurse has proven that he will win with them. He's easily a top 5 coach at least. I don't fault him at all for not developing low ceiling prospects on the Raptors

Why couldn’t Nurse even get to playoffs with: Siakam, FVV, OG, Barnes, Poeltl starting plus Trent, Precious & Boucher off the bench. I repeat…. not even make the playoffs. Those are good to great players right there with enough bench depth. Like what does Nurse need? An all-star team? When you don’t have the players, like Thibs, THAT is when a coach proves his mettle.

Almost any coach can win with good players + luck. Masai gifted Nurse an all-time great defensive team that won 59 games the season before and added DPOYs Kawhi, Gasol & all-defense Danny Green. And Nurse lucked into not facing Lebron, KD and some Klay for the playoffs. He’s been dining off that lucky chip ever since. He hasn’t really proven anything other than he was lucky…. once.

1. He took them to game 7 of the East Semis against Boston in '20-'21 w/o Kawhi and Green, and w/ the corpse of Marc Gasol, a series Tatum said was the hardest series he had played to date on JJ's podcast last year
2. He made the playoffs with the personnel you called out excluding Poeltl in '21-'22 as the 5th seed
3. Raptors were 15-11 w/ Poeltl in '22-'23 and would have made the playoffs had he been there the whole year
4. The Raptors novel play style that Nurse put in for '21-'22 got scouted by the league which led to less wins, yet we didn't have the personnel to respond to it in any way - that's on the FO. It also didn't help that our only movement shooter FVV - a career .380 3pt shooter - had his worst 3pt shooting season of his career at .340.

The locker room was an absolute mess which led to the guys not playing well together last year - you can blame the latter partly on Nurse. And maybe you can blame some of the injury issues we had to how he over-worked his roster, though the FO also shares blame in that. But to say Nurse hasn't proven anything and was simply lucky is insane.

Well said. The locker room issue is amplified due to the fact that Nurse's style of defense requires his players to play extra hard. Everybody was praising project 6'9 when the players were scrambling all over the court and playing out of position. Hard to make that work from players that have checked out

[GiannisAnte34]

Buck were the #1 seed and won 58 games lol. You can admit it was a very bad result and Bud was a trainwreck.

Why do you justify Philly's exit but hold Milwaukee accountable?

The Heat proved they were a better team than the Knicks

The Bucks had more challenges than the 76ers, Giannis missing 2.5 games and the HC going through a pretty serious tragedy

Both should be accountable. I said the Bucks was way worse which is fact.

No it isn't... the Knicks are an unproven team while the Heat have proven time and time again that they are the gold standard in the East. Only Boston has more credibility and Spo is the undisputed best coach in the league

The 76ers were at as close to 100% as you can get in the playoffs. Embiid played every game and came up short as usual

[WuTang_CMB]

Why do you justify Philly's exit but hold Milwaukee accountable?

The Heat proved they were a better team than the Knicks

The Bucks had more challenges than the 76ers, Giannis missing 2.5 games and the HC going through a pretty serious tragedy

Both should be accountable. I said the Bucks was way worse which is fact.

No it isn't... the Knicks are an unproven team while the Heat have proven time and time again that they are the gold standard in the East. Only Boston has more credibility and Spo is the undisputed best coach in the league

The 76ers were at as close to 100% as you can get in the playoffs. Embiid played every game and came up short as usual

Not quite. The Bucks were the best team in the league as a #1 and greatly failed. Philly had Embiid out for half the season and fell to #7 (and lost home court). They don't even compare in terms of situations. NY is a solid team that's deep. Philly was no where near the level of 23' Bucks as both had superstars but no where near the supporting cast. Their fall was a lot harder in that loss. Philly was a #7 seed. There were a lot more people on the Bucks winning than Philly winning which I am sure you are well aware. Bucks and Bud got dismantled in 5 games while Philly got to 6 with the Knicks as a #7 seed.

[Jabroni Lames]

The Bucks were way more talented than Philly this year. That isn't up for debate. Bucks were rolling in the RS and once Bud had to make some adjustments he faltered (as usual) vs Spo. The Embiid injury cost them from 3rd in the East to 7th. That matters.

great sounds like its safe to say that we can hold Nurse and Embiid accountable for success in 24-25?

or you'll probably just backpedal with another excuse if they fail aye

ehhh i'm all for that. i'm talking up until now he's been an upper echelon coach in the nba. But it will be fun to measure Philly once they add more. But I'm glad we can agree striking out as a #1 seed to #8 was pretty bad.

Again, there's no playoff success to back-up the assertion of "Upper Echelon" for 5 straight seasons since Kawhi left Toronto. Missed playoffs twice. Bounced in first round twice. Beaten by Thibs and Stevens with weaker squads. He's only beaten the Long Island Nets in the bubble. That's your definition of Upper Echelon? Again, lowering the standards for Nurse.

Of course, there are always excuses for failure... but that's the same for every NBA coach. But, there are no actual successful results. For 5 straight seasons: Worse than Doc, Malone, Vogel, Ty Lue, Carlisle, Bud, Pop, Spo, Kidd or Mazzulla, etc...

[WuTang_CMB]

great sounds like its safe to say that we can hold Nurse and Embiid accountable for success in 24-25?

or you'll probably just backpedal with another excuse if they fail aye

ehhh i'm all for that. i'm talking up until now he's been an upper echelon coach in the nba. But it will be fun to measure Philly once they add more. But I'm glad we can agree striking out as a #1 seed to #8 was pretty bad.

Again, there's no playoff success to back-up the assertion of "Upper Echelon" for 5 straight seasons since Kawhi left Toronto. Missed playoffs twice. Bounced in first round twice. Beaten by Thibs and Stevens with weaker squads. He's only beaten the Long Island Nets in the bubble. That's your definition of Upper Echelon? Again, lowering the standards for Nurse.

Of course, there are always excuses for failure... but that's the same for every NBA coach. But, there are no actual successful results. For 5 straight seasons: Worse than Doc, Malone, Vogel, Ty Lue, Carlisle, Bud, Pop, Spo, Kidd or Mazzulla, etc...

Again you are wrong. Nurse resume when you see what he did with the Raps has been really good in just a short span. A lot better than most coaches and definitely in the upper echelon of them. Better than Doc, Carlisle (who's done nothing LOL), Bud, Vogel etc.

[Jabroni Lames]

Both should be accountable. I said the Bucks was way worse which is fact.

No it isn't... the Knicks are an unproven team while the Heat have proven time and time again that they are the gold standard in the East. Only Boston has more credibility and Spo is the undisputed best coach in the league

The 76ers were at as close to 100% as you can get in the playoffs. Embiid played every game and came up short as usual

Not quite. The Bucks were the best team in the league as a #1 and greatly failed. Philly had Embiid out for half the season and fell to #7 (and lost home court). They don't even compare in terms of situations. NY is a solid team that's deep. Philly was no where near the level of 23' Bucks as both had superstars but no where near the supporting cast. Their fall was a lot harder in that loss. Philly was a #7 seed. There were a lot more people on the Bucks winning than Philly winning which I am sure you are well aware. Bucks and Bud got dismantled in 5 games while Philly got to 6 with the Knicks as a #7 seed.

Knicks were starting Brunson, OG and 3 guys (DDV, Hartenstein, Hart) who have been mostly backups for their careers. That's not a solid and deep roster... that's spectacular, upper echelon coaching by Thibs. It's exactly the standard of performance we should be holding Nurse to. It would clearly prove, without a doubt, without excuses, that Nurse truly is an Upper Echelon coach. Instead, we have to defend him with excuses with that assertion being massively in doubt.

[WuTang_CMB]

No it isn't... the Knicks are an unproven team while the Heat have proven time and time again that they are the gold standard in the East. Only Boston has more credibility and Spo is the undisputed best coach in the league

The 76ers were at as close to 100% as you can get in the playoffs. Embiid played every game and came up short as usual

Not quite. The Bucks were the best team in the league as a #1 and greatly failed. Philly had Embiid out for half the season and fell to #7 (and lost home court). They don't even compare in terms of situations. NY is a solid team that's deep. Philly was no where near the level of 23' Bucks as both had superstars but no where near the supporting cast. Their fall was a lot harder in that loss. Philly was a #7 seed. There were a lot more people on the Bucks winning than Philly winning which I am sure you are well aware. Bucks and Bud got dismantled in 5 games while Philly got to 6 with the Knicks as a #7 seed.

Knicks were starting Brunson, OG and 3 guys (DDV, Hartenstein, Hart) who have been mostly backups for their careers. That's not a solid and deep roster... that's spectacular, upper echelon coaching by Thibs. It's exactly the standard of performance we should be holding Nurse to. It would clearly prove, without a doubt, without excuses, that Nurse truly is an Upper Echelon coach. Instead, we have to defend him with excuses with that assertion being massively in doubt.

Again, you aren't reading. The Knicks were a very solid team going into the playoffs and yes they were deep with a solid 7-8 playoff rotation even without Randle. The Philly loss to them as a #7 seed hurt a lot less than what Bucks lost to Miami (who lost as a #1 and lost in 5). Atrocious work by Bud.

[GiannisAnte34]

Both should be accountable. I said the Bucks was way worse which is fact.

No it isn't... the Knicks are an unproven team while the Heat have proven time and time again that they are the gold standard in the East. Only Boston has more credibility and Spo is the undisputed best coach in the league

The 76ers were at as close to 100% as you can get in the playoffs. Embiid played every game and came up short as usual

Not quite. The Bucks were the best team in the league as a #1 and greatly failed. Philly had Embiid out for half the season and fell to #7 (and lost home court). They don't even compare in terms of situations. NY is a solid team that's deep. Philly was no where near the level of 23' Bucks as both had superstars but no where near the supporting cast. Their fall was a lot harder in that loss. Philly was a #7 seed. There were a lot more people on the Bucks winning than Philly winning which I am sure you are well aware. Bucks and Bud got dismantled in 5 games while Philly got to 6 with the Knicks as a #7 seed.

Knicks are a solid team that's deep and the Heat are chopped liver even though they've made the ECF 3x in the past 5 seasons?

What does missing a player in the regular season have to do with the playoffs? You've got it backwards... the Heat made it to 3x ECF precisely because they were healthy at the right time and got hot from 3 at the right time which is the postseason.

The 76ers were healthy for the postseason and the Bucks were not. Giannis missed half the series and Embiid/Maxey were ready to go

You also have to factor in that the Knicks were missing an All-Star for the whole series, the Heat were 100%

[WuTang_CMB]

No it isn't... the Knicks are an unproven team while the Heat have proven time and time again that they are the gold standard in the East. Only Boston has more credibility and Spo is the undisputed best coach in the league

The 76ers were at as close to 100% as you can get in the playoffs. Embiid played every game and came up short as usual

Not quite. The Bucks were the best team in the league as a #1 and greatly failed. Philly had Embiid out for half the season and fell to #7 (and lost home court). They don't even compare in terms of situations. NY is a solid team that's deep. Philly was no where near the level of 23' Bucks as both had superstars but no where near the supporting cast. Their fall was a lot harder in that loss. Philly was a #7 seed. There were a lot more people on the Bucks winning than Philly winning which I am sure you are well aware. Bucks and Bud got dismantled in 5 games while Philly got to 6 with the Knicks as a #7 seed.

Knicks are a solid team that's deep and the Heat are chopped liver even though they've made the ECF 3x in the past 5 seasons?

What does missing a player in the regular season have to do with the playoffs? You've got it backwards... the Heat made it to 3x ECF precisely because they were healthy at the right time and got hot from 3 at the right time which is the postseason.

The 76ers were healthy for the postseason and the Bucks were not. Giannis missed half the series and Embiid/Maxey were ready to go

You also have to factor in that the Knicks were missing an All-Star for the whole series, the Heat were 100%

Again, Bucks loss was a lot worse being the #1 seed losing to #8. They were a better team with home court and lost in 5 to an 8 seed. Obviously you aren't getting it but I will keep putting the facts in front of you until you realize. Philly dropped down to 7 with Embiid being out and they had no support cast. Point blank - stop being a homer. Your loss was much worse than what Philly just did lol

[GiannisAnte34]

Not quite. The Bucks were the best team in the league as a #1 and greatly failed. Philly had Embiid out for half the season and fell to #7 (and lost home court). They don't even compare in terms of situations. NY is a solid team that's deep. Philly was no where near the level of 23' Bucks as both had superstars but no where near the supporting cast. Their fall was a lot harder in that loss. Philly was a #7 seed. There were a lot more people on the Bucks winning than Philly winning which I am sure you are well aware. Bucks and Bud got dismantled in 5 games while Philly got to 6 with the Knicks as a #7 seed.

Knicks are a solid team that's deep and the Heat are chopped liver even though they've made the ECF 3x in the past 5 seasons?

What does missing a player in the regular season have to do with the playoffs? You've got it backwards... the Heat made it to 3x ECF precisely because they were healthy at the right time and got hot from 3 at the right time which is the postseason.

The 76ers were healthy for the postseason and the Bucks were not. Giannis missed half the series and Embiid/Maxey were ready to go

You also have to factor in that the Knicks were missing an All-Star for the whole series, the Heat were 100%

Again, Bucks loss was a lot worse being the #1 seed losing to #8. They were a better team with home court and lost in 5 to an 8 seed. Obviously you aren't getting it but I will keep putting the facts in front of you until you realize. Philly dropped down to 7 with Embiid being out and they had no support cast. Point blank - stop being a homer. Your loss was much worse than what Philly just did lol

look in the mirror, you're only arguing this stupid perspective because you homer Nurse

name one team that has advanced while their superstar is out? only one I can think of is Golden State, Durant out but they advanced because they had another superstar in Curry

[WuTang_CMB]

Knicks are a solid team that's deep and the Heat are chopped liver even though they've made the ECF 3x in the past 5 seasons?

What does missing a player in the regular season have to do with the playoffs? You've got it backwards... the Heat made it to 3x ECF precisely because they were healthy at the right time and got hot from 3 at the right time which is the postseason.

The 76ers were healthy for the postseason and the Bucks were not. Giannis missed half the series and Embiid/Maxey were ready to go

You also have to factor in that the Knicks were missing an All-Star for the whole series, the Heat were 100%

Again, Bucks loss was a lot worse being the #1 seed losing to #8. They were a better team with home court and lost in 5 to an 8 seed. Obviously you aren't getting it but I will keep putting the facts in front of you until you realize. Philly dropped down to 7 with Embiid being out and they had no support cast. Point blank - stop being a homer. Your loss was much worse than what Philly just did lol

look in the mirror, you're only arguing this stupid perspective because you homer Nurse

name one team that has advanced while their superstar is out? only one I can think of is Golden State, Durant out but they advanced because they had another superstar in Curry

No, I'm actually stating facts and you are ignoring them because it was your team. Literally no one would say your collapse is BETTER than Philly vs NY. Actually do a poll. I want to see how badly you will look. I can already tell you the results lol. A 58 win team, best in the NBA # 1 seed with home court loses to #8 seed in 5. Or a Philly team (less talented), no home court, 7th seed, loses in 6 to a 2nd seed. You see how bad of a road you went down?

[Ssj16]

Some weird arguments on this thread. For some reason Nurse gets criticized when he won with Kawhi Leonard where other coaches would be praised to win if they had similar or better talent.

Then he gets heavily criticized when he can't make it out the first round when he has a fairly compromised team where the third best player is Tobias Harris, lol.

I'm not sure anyone here is saying Nurse is the best coach ever but it feels disingenuous when you start throwing other names as elite coaches like Eme and Brad Stevens but then leave Nurse out of the conversation when he has shown the ability to maximize talent in the past, be creative and make adjustments.

[Jabroni Lames]

Why couldn’t Nurse even get to playoffs with: Siakam, FVV, OG, Barnes, Poeltl starting plus Trent, Precious & Boucher off the bench. I repeat…. not even make the playoffs. Those are good to great players right there with enough bench depth. Like what does Nurse need? An all-star team? When you don’t have the players, like Thibs, THAT is when a coach proves his mettle.

Almost any coach can win with good players + luck. Masai gifted Nurse an all-time great defensive team that won 59 games the season before and added DPOYs Kawhi, Gasol & all-defense Danny Green. And Nurse lucked into not facing Lebron, KD and some Klay for the playoffs. He’s been dining off that lucky chip ever since. He hasn’t really proven anything other than he was lucky…. once.

1. He took them to game 7 of the East Semis against Boston in '20-'21 w/o Kawhi and Green, and w/ the corpse of Marc Gasol, a series Tatum said was the hardest series he had played to date on JJ's podcast last year
2. He made the playoffs with the personnel you called out excluding Poeltl in '21-'22 as the 5th seed
3. Raptors were 15-11 w/ Poeltl in '22-'23 and would have made the playoffs had he been there the whole year
4. The Raptors novel play style that Nurse put in for '21-'22 got scouted by the league which led to less wins, yet we didn't have the personnel to respond to it in any way - that's on the FO. It also didn't help that our only movement shooter FVV - a career .380 3pt shooter - had his worst 3pt shooting season of his career at .340.

The locker room was an absolute mess which led to the guys not playing well together last year - you can blame the latter partly on Nurse. And maybe you can blame some of the injury issues we had to how he over-worked his roster, though the FO also shares blame in that. But to say Nurse hasn't proven anything and was simply lucky is insane.

Well said. The locker room issue is amplified due to the fact that Nurse's style of defense requires his players to play extra hard. Everybody was praising project 6'9 when the players were scrambling all over the court and playing out of position. Hard to make that work from players that have checked out

SMH. We’re using locker room issues to defend Nurse? Seriously? This dude is greased teflon. Warriors had locker room issues after Draymond punched Poole. That’s legit. Raptors don’t even register on the “issues” scale.

[Jabroni Lames]

Some weird arguments on this thread. For some reason Nurse gets criticized when he won with Kawhi Leonard where other coaches would be praised to win if they had similar or better talent.

Then he gets heavily criticized when he can't make it out the first round when he has a fairly compromised team where the third best player is Tobias Harris, lol.

I'm not sure anyone here is saying Nurse is the best coach ever but it feels disingenuous when you start throwing other names as elite coaches like Eme and Brad Stevens but then leave Nurse out of the conversation when he has shown the ability to maximize talent in the past, be creative and make adjustments.

You are completely missing the point. Nobody is "criticizing" Nurse. We are not even saying he's a bad coach. Just saying that he's average... at best. He's not upper echelon. Not elite. Not top 5, or top 3. He's just.... okay. And if you think Nurse is: elite, upper echelon or top 3, then he's overrated, as per the OP. That's the gist of it.

[GiannisAnte34]

Again, Bucks loss was a lot worse being the #1 seed losing to #8. They were a better team with home court and lost in 5 to an 8 seed. Obviously you aren't getting it but I will keep putting the facts in front of you until you realize. Philly dropped down to 7 with Embiid being out and they had no support cast. Point blank - stop being a homer. Your loss was much worse than what Philly just did lol

look in the mirror, you're only arguing this stupid perspective because you homer Nurse

name one team that has advanced while their superstar is out? only one I can think of is Golden State, Durant out but they advanced because they had another superstar in Curry

No, I'm actually stating facts and you are ignoring them because it was your team. Literally no one would say your collapse is BETTER than Philly vs NY. Actually do a poll. I want to see how badly you will look. I can already tell you the results lol. A 58 win team, best in the NBA # 1 seed with home court loses to #8 seed in 5. Or a Philly team (less talented), no home court, 7th seed, loses in 6 to a 2nd seed. You see how bad of a road you went down?

If Giannis actually played the full series I’d agree but he missed half the series. Embiid played the full series against a team missing an All-Star

[ForeverTFC]

1. He took them to game 7 of the East Semis against Boston in '20-'21 w/o Kawhi and Green, and w/ the corpse of Marc Gasol, a series Tatum said was the hardest series he had played to date on JJ's podcast last year
2. He made the playoffs with the personnel you called out excluding Poeltl in '21-'22 as the 5th seed
3. Raptors were 15-11 w/ Poeltl in '22-'23 and would have made the playoffs had he been there the whole year
4. The Raptors novel play style that Nurse put in for '21-'22 got scouted by the league which led to less wins, yet we didn't have the personnel to respond to it in any way - that's on the FO. It also didn't help that our only movement shooter FVV - a career .380 3pt shooter - had his worst 3pt shooting season of his career at .340.

The locker room was an absolute mess which led to the guys not playing well together last year - you can blame the latter partly on Nurse. And maybe you can blame some of the injury issues we had to how he over-worked his roster, though the FO also shares blame in that. But to say Nurse hasn't proven anything and was simply lucky is insane.

Well said. The locker room issue is amplified due to the fact that Nurse's style of defense requires his players to play extra hard. Everybody was praising project 6'9 when the players were scrambling all over the court and playing out of position. Hard to make that work from players that have checked out

SMH. We’re using locker room issues to defend Nurse? Seriously? This dude is greased teflon. Warriors had locker room issues after Draymond punched Poole. That’s legit. Raptors don’t even register on the “issues” scale.

Who's using the locker room issues to defend Nurse? I said that the locker room issues were very real and that Nurse played a big part in it. junot said that these issues had a larger impact on our on court product than would usually be the case given the defensive schemes we were trying to run. If anything, it's extending the off-court issues which Nurse had a hand in to the on-court product and further implicating Nurse in what went wrong in his last year in Toronto.

You still have not responded to our rebuttal to your original take that Nurse had no impact outside his 1 lucky year with Kawhi. It's been shown to you that he had success in Toronto when Kawhi left and that his innovations which were unique to the Raptors during his run are now the norm and utilized by teams across the league. So again, how has Nurse not proven a thing outside 1 year with Kawhi?

[WuTang_CMB]

look in the mirror, you're only arguing this stupid perspective because you homer Nurse

name one team that has advanced while their superstar is out? only one I can think of is Golden State, Durant out but they advanced because they had another superstar in Curry

No, I'm actually stating facts and you are ignoring them because it was your team. Literally no one would say your collapse is BETTER than Philly vs NY. Actually do a poll. I want to see how badly you will look. I can already tell you the results lol. A 58 win team, best in the NBA # 1 seed with home court loses to #8 seed in 5. Or a Philly team (less talented), no home court, 7th seed, loses in 6 to a 2nd seed. You see how bad of a road you went down?

If Giannis actually played the full series I’d agree but he missed half the series. Embiid played the full series against a team missing an All-Star

Still, #1 seed losing to #8 was worse. Philly was also worse than the Bucks and they were a #7 seed... if they were a #1 seed, different story and maybe you have an argument.

[Jabroni Lames]

Well said. The locker room issue is amplified due to the fact that Nurse's style of defense requires his players to play extra hard. Everybody was praising project 6'9 when the players were scrambling all over the court and playing out of position. Hard to make that work from players that have checked out

SMH. We’re using locker room issues to defend Nurse? Seriously? This dude is greased teflon. Warriors had locker room issues after Draymond punched Poole. That’s legit. Raptors don’t even register on the “issues” scale.

Who's using the locker room issues to defend Nurse? I said that the locker room issues were very real and that Nurse played a big part in it. junot said that these issues had a larger impact on our on court product than would usually be the case given the defensive schemes we were trying to run. If anything, it's extending the off-court issues which Nurse had a hand in to the on-court product and further implicating Nurse in what went wrong in his last year in Toronto.

You still have not responded to our rebuttal to your original take that Nurse had no impact outside his 1 lucky year with Kawhi. It's been shown to you that he had success in Toronto when Kawhi left and that his innovations which were unique to the Raptors during his run are now the norm and utilized by teams across the league. So again, how has Nurse not proven a thing outside 1 year with Kawhi?

Nurse took over a 59-win team and that upgraded wit 2 former DPOYs and won 58 games + chip. Stevens or Thibs could've done that.... easily. They lost Kawhi, but Dwane Casey left a solid foundation of rising, talented young players (Siakam, FVV, OG, Powell) and they stayed on pace. And they flamed out in the playoffs vs an experience Celtics team in the bubble, within 0.2 seconds of being down 0-3. Casey could've done that. Nurse didn't really prove anything other than that Masai gave him good to great players and young players with upside.

But where did all those post-Kawhi innovations get Nurse, in 5 seasons? 2 missed playoffs, 2 first round exits and 1 series win vs. the Long Island Nets.

[GiannisAnte34]

No, I'm actually stating facts and you are ignoring them because it was your team. Literally no one would say your collapse is BETTER than Philly vs NY. Actually do a poll. I want to see how badly you will look. I can already tell you the results lol. A 58 win team, best in the NBA # 1 seed with home court loses to #8 seed in 5. Or a Philly team (less talented), no home court, 7th seed, loses in 6 to a 2nd seed. You see how bad of a road you went down?

If Giannis actually played the full series I’d agree but he missed half the series. Embiid played the full series against a team missing an All-Star

Still, #1 seed losing to #8 was worse. Philly was also worse than the Bucks and they were a #7 seed... if they were a #1 seed, different story and maybe you have an argument.

Bud is a better coach than Nurse still, deal with it