NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star

Moderators: Clav, Domejandro, ken6199, bisme37, Dirk, KingDavid, cupcakesnake, bwgood77, zimpy27, infinite11285

Iwasawitness
Head Coach
Posts: 6,361
And1: 7,636
Joined: Sep 05, 2023
     

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#181 » by Iwasawitness » Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:53 am

INKtastic wrote:
cupcakesnake wrote:
toooskies wrote:Mobley is second in the league to Giannis in dunks this season.


I'm aware.
Remember I'm talking about Allen and Mobley's entire history together in this comment, in response to another user claiming the Cavs have historically struggled without his defense. I'm pointing out its the offense that has sagged without Allen, and that he's historically had the higher free throw rate and offensive rebounding rate. Mobley has been a way bigger source of rim pressure than ever before this year with his drives.


what do prior years have to do with it? Mobley has taken a big leap this year. Cavs have him bring the ball up the court and initial offense a decent amount of the time. He wasn't doing that before this year.


You may want to re read what he was saying.
LakerLegend wrote:LeBron was literally more athletic at 35 than he was at 20
JujitsuFlip
RealGM
Posts: 14,909
And1: 9,230
Joined: Sep 10, 2021

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#182 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Jan 15, 2025 3:32 am

INKtastic wrote:
Read on Twitter
?s=46&t=6A9tRF7YGfiSZTgAAUQoPQ
Since he finally has a coach who cares about his offensive development lol
User avatar
KazuoOda
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,583
And1: 1,989
Joined: Aug 24, 2009
       

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#183 » by KazuoOda » Wed Jan 15, 2025 3:50 am

doogie_hauser wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
doogie_hauser wrote:
Aside from Mobley, I don't see who else gets in from the Cavs aside from Spida.

Just my opinion, there is just so much talent in the East, and I am also keen to see more first time players too like Cade Cunningham.
If Korver got in with 12ppg because he was 50/40/90 on the #1 seed then Garland should for sure be in with 21ppg on 49/40/90.


Garland'a individual stats are not good enough for the All Star Game imo and yes it's a joke Korver got in.


Read on Twitter
?
Read on Twitter
?
Read on Twitter
?

Yea okay...
User avatar
INKtastic
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 23,259
And1: 5,027
Joined: May 26, 2003
Location: Ohio
Contact:
     

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#184 » by INKtastic » Wed Jan 15, 2025 11:12 pm

More on the magnitude of Mobley's leap. First stat isn't last year, it's the last two seasons.

Last night he was 3/4 from 3, the miss was a heat check type of shot.

Read on Twitter
http://www.inktastic.com/ Custom T-Shirts and more
JujitsuFlip
RealGM
Posts: 14,909
And1: 9,230
Joined: Sep 10, 2021

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#185 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Jan 16, 2025 6:16 pm

3rd returns are here! All four guys finally getting fan love.Image
axeman23
Analyst
Posts: 3,720
And1: 3,630
Joined: Jul 31, 2009

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#186 » by axeman23 » Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:06 am

I'll happily settle for 3: Garland, Allen, and Mobley. Mitchell can play in the HORSE tournament or something equally show-boaty, if he's done pissing the bed by then! :sour:
BigGargamel
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,229
And1: 10,952
Joined: Jan 28, 2020
Contact:
     

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#187 » by BigGargamel » Fri Jan 17, 2025 5:59 am

All that graphic shows me is the Hornets have one of the most sellable stars in the NBA and are pissing the bed and wasting his marketability. Typical Charlotte.
JujitsuFlip
RealGM
Posts: 14,909
And1: 9,230
Joined: Sep 10, 2021

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#188 » by JujitsuFlip » Fri Jan 17, 2025 11:49 am

axeman23 wrote:I'll happily settle for 3: Garland, Allen, and Mobley. Mitchell can play in the HORSE tournament or something equally show-boaty, if he's done pissing the bed by then! :sour:
I see a real scenario where Allen and Mobley are the front court reserves, alongside J. Brown.
Tor_Raps
RealGM
Posts: 32,064
And1: 46,790
Joined: Oct 14, 2018

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#189 » by Tor_Raps » Sat Jan 18, 2025 5:00 am

So now the Thunder get to send 4 Allstars too right? Lol
JujitsuFlip
RealGM
Posts: 14,909
And1: 9,230
Joined: Sep 10, 2021

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#190 » by JujitsuFlip » Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:06 pm

https://nbarankings.theringer.com/

Cavs getting some love in the latest top 100 release.

12. Mitchell
22. Mobley
33. Garland
49. Allen
97. LeVert

Cavs and Celtics are the only teams with 4 players in the top 50.
dautjazz
RealGM
Posts: 15,278
And1: 10,044
Joined: Aug 01, 2001
Location: Miami, FL
 

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#191 » by dautjazz » Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:41 pm

That are 21-7 over the last 28? Don't get me wrong, they're very good, but they've cooled off a bit, and the only guy guaranteed to make it is Mitchell.


IMO these are locks

Towns
Giannis
Tatum/Brown
Mitchell/Dame
Ball/Brunson

Then it's probably
Maxey
Cade
Wagner
Hero

I can see Mobley or Allen getting a spot, but I don't necessarily think they've been better than the players I listed. Think there are too many good guards, so I don't think Garland gets in.
NickAnderson wrote:
How old are you, just curious.

by gomeziee on 21 Jul 2013 00:53

im 20, and i did grow up watching MJ play in the 90's.
JujitsuFlip
RealGM
Posts: 14,909
And1: 9,230
Joined: Sep 10, 2021

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#192 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:07 pm

dautjazz wrote:That are 21-7 over the last 28? Don't get me wrong, they're very good, but they've cooled off a bit, and the only guy guaranteed to make it is Mitchell.


IMO these are locks

Towns
Giannis
Tatum/Brown
Mitchell/Dame
Ball/Brunson

Then it's probably
Maxey
Cade
Wagner
Hero

I can see Mobley or Allen getting a spot, but I don't necessarily think they've been better than the players I listed. Think there are too many good guards, so I don't think Garland gets in.
Yeah, just erase their 15-0 start, lmao

1 All-Star, give me a break man.

It at minimum has to be 2 and i think it'll actually be 3.

4 would be a dream like the Pistons, Celtics, Hawks, and Warriors before them but does not seem like it is in the cards.
JujitsuFlip
RealGM
Posts: 14,909
And1: 9,230
Joined: Sep 10, 2021

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#193 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:50 pm

Over the same timeframe, team records for other guys you selected.

Cavs 21-7
Bucks 19-8
Celtics 19-10
Knicks 21-10
Pistons 16-12
Heat 16-15
76ers 13-16
Magic 14-16
Hornets 6-20

That argument holds zero weight lol Cavs have still been the best team, even if you arbitrarily get rid of their 15-0 start LMAO!
Iwasawitness
Head Coach
Posts: 6,361
And1: 7,636
Joined: Sep 05, 2023
     

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#194 » by Iwasawitness » Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:09 pm

dautjazz wrote:That are 21-7 over the last 28? Don't get me wrong, they're very good, but they've cooled off a bit, and the only guy guaranteed to make it is Mitchell.


IMO these are locks

Towns
Giannis
Tatum/Brown
Mitchell/Dame
Ball/Brunson

Then it's probably
Maxey
Cade
Wagner
Hero

I can see Mobley or Allen getting a spot, but I don't necessarily think they've been better than the players I listed. Think there are too many good guards, so I don't think Garland gets in.


21-7 is pretty great lol
LakerLegend wrote:LeBron was literally more athletic at 35 than he was at 20
Kiss of Death
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,432
And1: 1,613
Joined: Jun 24, 2022
 

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#195 » by Kiss of Death » Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:12 pm

The Rockets are the only team to beat the Cavs AND the Thunder this season.

The Rockets should get 8 all-stars!
JujitsuFlip
RealGM
Posts: 14,909
And1: 9,230
Joined: Sep 10, 2021

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#196 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:17 pm

Kiss of Death wrote:The Rockets are the only team to beat the Cavs AND the Thunder this season.

The Rockets should get 8 all-stars!
I'd give the Rockets 24 All-Stars, tbh.
dautjazz
RealGM
Posts: 15,278
And1: 10,044
Joined: Aug 01, 2001
Location: Miami, FL
 

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#197 » by dautjazz » Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:22 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
dautjazz wrote:That are 21-7 over the last 28? Don't get me wrong, they're very good, but they've cooled off a bit, and the only guy guaranteed to make it is Mitchell.


IMO these are locks

Towns
Giannis
Tatum/Brown
Mitchell/Dame
Ball/Brunson

Then it's probably
Maxey
Cade
Wagner
Hero

I can see Mobley or Allen getting a spot, but I don't necessarily think they've been better than the players I listed. Think there are too many good guards, so I don't think Garland gets in.
Yeah, just erase their 15-0 start, lmao

1 All-Star, give me a break man.

It at minimum has to be 2 and i think it'll actually be 3.

4 would be a dream like the Pistons, Celtics, Hawks, and Warriors before them but does not seem like it is in the cards.
I'm not saying they haven't been great, I'm just saying they'll probably end up with 63-65 wins, which is still great, but to me it doesn't merrit four All-Stars like the OP mentioned. I do expect more than one player to make it, because it's generally the case when a team has once of the best records in the league. Hell Mo Williams made it once because they just HAD to send a second Cavs player to the All-Star game that year. I think the Cavs are very balanced, and have one bonafied All-Star and three borderline All-Stars.
NickAnderson wrote:
How old are you, just curious.

by gomeziee on 21 Jul 2013 00:53

im 20, and i did grow up watching MJ play in the 90's.
JujitsuFlip
RealGM
Posts: 14,909
And1: 9,230
Joined: Sep 10, 2021

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#198 » by JujitsuFlip » Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:39 pm

dautjazz wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:
dautjazz wrote:That are 21-7 over the last 28? Don't get me wrong, they're very good, but they've cooled off a bit, and the only guy guaranteed to make it is Mitchell.


IMO these are locks

Towns
Giannis
Tatum/Brown
Mitchell/Dame
Ball/Brunson

Then it's probably
Maxey
Cade
Wagner
Hero

I can see Mobley or Allen getting a spot, but I don't necessarily think they've been better than the players I listed. Think there are too many good guards, so I don't think Garland gets in.
Yeah, just erase their 15-0 start, lmao

1 All-Star, give me a break man.

It at minimum has to be 2 and i think it'll actually be 3.

4 would be a dream like the Pistons, Celtics, Hawks, and Warriors before them but does not seem like it is in the cards.
I'm not saying they haven't been great, I'm just saying they'll probably end up with 63-65 wins, which is still great, but to me it doesn't merrit four All-Stars like the OP mentioned. I do expect more than one player to make it, because it's generally the case when a team has once of the best records in the league. Hell Mo Williams made it once because they just HAD to send a second Cavs player to the All-Star game that year. I think the Cavs are very balanced, and have one bonafied All-Star and three borderline All-Stars.
But the starters are announced tn and the reserves in exactly one week, why would we care what their final record was?

2018 Warriors were ~40-11 when they got 4

2015 Hawks were ~39-8 when they got 4

2011 Celtics were ~36-11 when they got 4

2006 Pistons were ~37-6 when they got 4

1998 Lakers were ~32-11 when they got 4; Kobe was a 19 year old bench player and Shaq missed 22 of the first 30 games that year. Van Exel ended up a bench player himself halfway through the season, unclear if that was before or after he was named an AS.
dautjazz
RealGM
Posts: 15,278
And1: 10,044
Joined: Aug 01, 2001
Location: Miami, FL
 

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#199 » by dautjazz » Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:25 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:
dautjazz wrote:
JujitsuFlip wrote:Yeah, just erase their 15-0 start, lmao

1 All-Star, give me a break man.

It at minimum has to be 2 and i think it'll actually be 3.

4 would be a dream like the Pistons, Celtics, Hawks, and Warriors before them but does not seem like it is in the cards.
I'm not saying they haven't been great, I'm just saying they'll probably end up with 63-65 wins, which is still great, but to me it doesn't merrit four All-Stars like the OP mentioned. I do expect more than one player to make it, because it's generally the case when a team has once of the best records in the league. Hell Mo Williams made it once because they just HAD to send a second Cavs player to the All-Star game that year. I think the Cavs are very balanced, and have one bonafied All-Star and three borderline All-Stars.
But the starters are announced tn and the reserves in exactly one week, why would we care what their final record was?

2018 Warriors were ~40-11 when they got 4

2015 Hawks were ~39-8 when they got 4

2011 Celtics were ~36-11 when they got 4

2006 Pistons were ~37-6 when they got 4

1998 Lakers were ~32-11 when they got 4; Kobe was a 19 year old bench player and Shaq missed 22 of the first 30 games that year. Van Exel ended up a bench player himself halfway through the season, unclear if that was before or after he was named an AS.
Kobe and Shaq were voted in, so that team didn't deserve four All-Stars. Not sure how Van Exel even got the nod. It just reminds me of when the Hawks got Horford, Millsap, Korner, and Teague in because they had a great record, and I honestly can't say either one of them was a lock to make it that year, they were very balanced, so somehow they all got the nod which seemed ridiculous to me.

Warriors getting four to me was bad as well. I have a hard time justifying Green some of these seasons, and to some extent Klay as well. I feel that often got the nods due to reputation, similar to Kobe and his all-defense selections.
NickAnderson wrote:
How old are you, just curious.

by gomeziee on 21 Jul 2013 00:53

im 20, and i did grow up watching MJ play in the 90's.
TroubleS0me
General Manager
Posts: 9,041
And1: 6,296
Joined: Dec 17, 2014

Re: NBA has to send 4 Cavs to All-Star 

Post#200 » by TroubleS0me » Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:40 pm

Mobley
Allen
thats it.

Mitchell doesnt lead his team in win shares

Return to The General Board