Kings trade Fox to Spurs, get LaVine

[KingFox]

Doesn't mean a trade wont happen, but Fox's wife is being clear:

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[PaKwAn]

Fox is a very good player but I don't like his fit in Houston. That team needs more consistent shooting to open things up a bit on offense. Amen should also be untouchable

[doogie_hauser]

Is Fox the piece you wanna cash in your pieces for?


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If it costed all the pieces, no. But let's look at their pieces:

1. Amen Thompson - 22 years old
2. Reed Sheppard - 20yo
3. Tari Eason - 23yo
4. Jabari Smith - 21yo
5. Cam Whitmore - 20yo

They obviously have Jalen Green and Alpy Sengun who both signed extensions this training camp thus can't really be traded this season.

They also have 10 FRP's to pick from and 6SRP's to sweaten any deal.

They have varying levels of veterans on tradable contracts in Brooks, VanVleet*, Adams*, Jeff Green*, Landale, Tate*. * = expiring.

I would imagine that giving up Thompson, Whitemore and Van Vleet would get the job done no picks needed. Then they'd still have All their picks and other young guys to trade for one more piece.

Houston is NOT trading Thompson. He looks like the star player they are looking for.

Cap and trade rules aside, I would believe them trading Sengun, Green, etc. but not Amen. Amen.

I wouldn't trade Alpie or Green if I am Houston either, they are still relative babies in NBA terms.

Sengun and his unique skillset for a big man are rare as hen's teeth, I think he probably needs to beef/toughen up a bit, but the Rockets need to keep him cause of the menace of Wemby lurking over their conference (and division) for the next 15 years plus.

You have to weigh in factors like that when you try to decide what's best for the Rockets future and their path to being contenders (not just for one year, but for the next decade, which I think have an legit opportunity of doing, providing they keep Alpie)

[iggymcfrack]

I don't see this happening till the offseason. People are hating on Fox, but he's still a top PG in the league, and is a solid scorer in the clutch and 4th quarter. He's averaged 25/4/6 since 2021, and has put the Kings in the mix for the first time since Webber.

People think Fred and some picks is going to get it done are delusional. Same with packages centered around Vessel.

Rockets would need to throw in Reed and Tari just to get the Kings to pick up the phone. SAS would need to give up Castle. HOU can do it, but lets be honest, they already have 2 guys signed to Max deals, and neither looks like their best prospect. Thompson is going to break out and get a max, right around the time Fox would sign him.

The Math just doesn't work for HOU unless they give the godfather offer, but that isn't worth it when the team is still too young. Thompson is not getting traded nor are Green and Sengun.

SAS just doesn't have enough pieces to compete yet. They are atleast one year away from actually thinking about this type of move. There just isn't enough talent on the roster, let alone after this trade.

Honestly, I hate to say it, but MIA looks to be in a solid spot to trade for Fox, and it makes a ton of sense for both sides. The only caveat would be what happens with a Butler trade, but sending Fox to MIA to reunite with KT standouts Herro and Bam seems nice.

Heat have the ability to give their godfather offer and still be a solid contender. They can easily match salaries this year with Rozier and Duncan, and can throw in JJJ, Jovic, and Ware are prospects as well as picks. Depending on what they get in return for Butler that could be a solid get, as they would still have a nice rotation.

Fox, Huerter, Dougy Buckets for Terry, Duncan, JJJ, Ware, Jovic, 2 picks seems like a trade both teams would be happy with. MIA fans lose their mind because they don't realize JJJ is just a bench player, and Jovic not a huge loss.

Kings go into next year with a young core of Ware, Murray, Jovic, JJJ, and Carter

MIA gets a big 3 of Bam, Herro, and Fox, and get to surround them with solid role players. Huerter would be great in MIA, and they would still have Love, HH, Dru, and whatever they get in the Butler trade. MIA does well finding guys for cheap, they just need to get that guy.

You're vastly overrating Fox's market. The point is that the Kings don't want to give him his extension at the number he's gonna be eligible for when he DOESN'T make all-NBA this year. Much like Jimmy Butler, he's demanding a trade because that's the only way he feels he's going to possibly get a max extension.

Fox is having his worst season since 21/22. He currently ranks 56th in the league in BPM and 73rd in EPM. He's 27 which while obviously not old is definitely on the downside of the aging curve for a small guard. This could fall apart fast. I think if the offer is VanVleet and 2 firsts, the Rockets hang up the phone and rightfully so. The Kings don't want to re-sign him. If they want to get a big package of picks back, they're going to have to take on some questionable salary.

[iggymcfrack]

Is Fox the piece you wanna cash in your pieces for?


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If it costed all the pieces, no. But let's look at their pieces:

1. Amen Thompson - 22 years old
2. Reed Sheppard - 20yo
3. Tari Eason - 23yo
4. Jabari Smith - 21yo
5. Cam Whitmore - 20yo

They obviously have Jalen Green and Alpy Sengun who both signed extensions this training camp thus can't really be traded this season.

They also have 10 FRP's to pick from and 6SRP's to sweaten any deal.

They have varying levels of veterans on tradable contracts in Brooks, VanVleet*, Adams*, Jeff Green*, Landale, Tate*. * = expiring.

I would imagine that giving up Thompson, Whitemore and Van Vleet would get the job done no picks needed. Then they'd still have All their picks and other young guys to trade for one more piece.

Houston is NOT trading Thompson. He looks like the star player they are looking for.

Cap and trade rules aside, I would believe them trading Sengun, Green, etc. but not Amen. Amen.

Alpie for Fox, LOL. Might as well trade Sabonis for LaVine. That's some of the most ridiculous **** I've ever heard proposed. It's a top 10 trade asset in the league for a guy who's going to be a negative asset for the vast majority of teams as soon as you give him the extension he's demanding.

[iggymcfrack]

Here's a list of some players that are currently older than Alperen Sengun:

Jalen Williams
Cade Cunningham
Jalen Johnson
Jake LaRavia
Jalen Green
Christian Braun
Jaden Ivey
Dalton Knecht

He's young AF and he's already dominating. He should not get taken for granted anywhere near the way he is. I feel like if I had to bet if it was more likely for Sengun to win MVP or Fox to ever make 2nd-team all-NBA, I'm not sure which one I'd take. I might lean toward Sengun honestly.

[FarBeyondDriven]

predicted this before the season. Going to Rich Paul cemented it. Whether it's now or in the offseason, the Kings can't afford to lose him for nothing and waiting only lowers the asking price which is at its highest right now. I don't blame Fox at all. McNair is a buffoon. I'd fire him before he makes the trade because I have zero faith he'll get the best return he can.

[Exp0sed]

I don't see this happening till the offseason. People are hating on Fox, but he's still a top PG in the league, and is a solid scorer in the clutch and 4th quarter. He's averaged 25/4/6 since 2021, and has put the Kings in the mix for the first time since Webber.

People think Fred and some picks is going to get it done are delusional. Same with packages centered around Vessel.

Rockets would need to throw in Reed and Tari just to get the Kings to pick up the phone. SAS would need to give up Castle. HOU can do it, but lets be honest, they already have 2 guys signed to Max deals, and neither looks like their best prospect. Thompson is going to break out and get a max, right around the time Fox would sign him.

The Math just doesn't work for HOU unless they give the godfather offer, but that isn't worth it when the team is still too young. Thompson is not getting traded nor are Green and Sengun.

SAS just doesn't have enough pieces to compete yet. They are atleast one year away from actually thinking about this type of move. There just isn't enough talent on the roster, let alone after this trade.

Honestly, I hate to say it, but MIA looks to be in a solid spot to trade for Fox, and it makes a ton of sense for both sides. The only caveat would be what happens with a Butler trade, but sending Fox to MIA to reunite with KT standouts Herro and Bam seems nice.

Heat have the ability to give their godfather offer and still be a solid contender. They can easily match salaries this year with Rozier and Duncan, and can throw in JJJ, Jovic, and Ware are prospects as well as picks. Depending on what they get in return for Butler that could be a solid get, as they would still have a nice rotation.

Fox, Huerter, Dougy Buckets for Terry, Duncan, JJJ, Ware, Jovic, 2 picks seems like a trade both teams would be happy with. MIA fans lose their mind because they don't realize JJJ is just a bench player, and Jovic not a huge loss.

Kings go into next year with a young core of Ware, Murray, Jovic, JJJ, and Carter

MIA gets a big 3 of Bam, Herro, and Fox, and get to surround them with solid role players. Huerter would be great in MIA, and they would still have Love, HH, Dru, and whatever they get in the Butler trade. MIA does well finding guys for cheap, they just need to get that guy.

You're vastly overrating Fox's market. The point is that the Kings don't want to give him his extension at the number he's gonna be eligible for when he DOESN'T make all-NBA this year. Much like Jimmy Butler, he's demanding a trade because that's the only way he feels he's going to possibly get a max extension.

Fox is having his worst season since 21/22. He currently ranks 56th in the league in BPM and 73rd in EPM. He's 27 which while obviously not old is definitely on the downside of the aging curve for a small guard. This could fall apart fast. I think if the offer is VanVleet and 2 firsts, the Rockets hang up the phone and rightfully so. The Kings don't want to re-sign him. If they want to get a big package of picks back, they're going to have to take on some questionable salary.

100% this

Fox didn't wanna extend over the summer (and up to now) because he hoped he could sneak into an all-NBA team this season so he could make the big bucks a-la Tyrese Haliburton. he's also willing to go elsewhere generally.
he's got a season and a half and he isn't that good (or durable) to begin with. teams aren't going to invest real assets in a guy who can sign elsewhere after next season for free, thus his market value is pretty low except for maybe the team he's interested in going to, in which case he will get traded and immedietly sign an pre-agreed extention

Spurs make a whole lot of sense so i'm guessing it's the Spurs but who knows

either way, this is closer to a sign and trade than it is to a trade. Kings gonna get a FRP out of it and call it a day

[mkot]

Doesn't mean a trade wont happen, but Fox's wife is being clear:

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If he wants to stay, why would he allow Rich Paul to say what he said publicly?

[reamily]

To be fair with fox he can be a game changer on tbe right team, it can be houston if not for green..it can be miami or spurs though

[Celts17Pride]

Doesn't mean a trade wont happen, but Fox's wife is being clear:

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Typical entitled NBA player trying to play it both ways

[jkvonny]

Problem is that signing guys like Fox to a huge Superman or 3rd contract at $60m+ is how you stay bad for a long time. You can’t build a good team around 2nd tier guys making top tier money.

I get it, but Fox only gets a Supermax extension by making All-NBA. He would have to play really well to earn it.

Teams in markets like Sacramento don’t have the same resources that teams like the Knicks and Lakers do. Before the 2022-2023 season, the Kings last made the playoffs in the 2005-2006 season. That’s 17 years of walking in the wilderness hoping for lottery luck. Also, with the new draft rules, Sacramento wouldn’t even have great odds of getting a top-4 pick. The Detroit Pistons have recently experienced bad lottery luck first hand with the new odds.

If a team blows Sacramento away or Fox tells their front office he wants out, then sure I can see them trading him. Otherwise, I expect them to hold on to him as long as possible.

Edit: It appears Fox has told the Kings front office he doesn’t plan on staying past the 2026 season.

That being said, teams like OKC, Memphis, San Antonio, Orlando show that if you build your team shrewdly, you still have a chance to be competitive, even in a small market.

Milwaukee, Cleveland, Indiana , Orlando, Denver, Minnesota, Phoenix etc as well.

Portland, Utah, Detroit, Sacramento in the past.

[God Squad]

It seems Fox is overrated around here.

[Pointgod]

Rockets seem like the most obvious fit here. He'd fit perfectly there and they have the pieces to both match salary and give the Kings some re-tooling, win now pieces.

Is Fox the piece you wanna cash in your pieces for?


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If it costed all the pieces, no. But let's look at their pieces:

1. Amen Thompson - 22 years old
2. Reed Sheppard - 20yo
3. Tari Eason - 23yo
4. Jabari Smith - 21yo
5. Cam Whitmore - 20yo

They obviously have Jalen Green and Alpy Sengun who both signed extensions this training camp thus can't really be traded this season.

They also have 10 FRP's to pick from and 6SRP's to sweaten any deal.

They have varying levels of veterans on tradable contracts in Brooks, VanVleet*, Adams*, Jeff Green*, Landale, Tate*. * = expiring.

I would imagine that giving up Thompson, Whitemore and Van Vleet would get the job done no picks needed. Then they'd still have All their picks and other young guys to trade for one more piece.

The only untouchables on the Rockets should be Sengun and Thompson. That being said, the Rockets shouldn’t rush to make a trade to speed up their development. This is a trade you make two seasons from now.

[vincecarter4pres]

Fox is a very good player but I don't like his fit in Houston. That team needs more consistent shooting to open things up a bit on offense. Amen should also be untouchable

Besides Amen though, no one should be untouchable on that roster to reshape it.

Say you can get Fox for Green(not sure if it has to wait til the off-season for CBA rules), Eason or Parker, maybe Sheppard and a couple of the better 1st’s, and you can make some noise.

[Ito]

Trade with Heat under way to pair Derozan with Butler and Fox with Herro

[azcatz11]

Is Fox the piece you wanna cash in your pieces for?


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If it costed all the pieces, no. But let's look at their pieces:

1. Amen Thompson - 22 years old
2. Reed Sheppard - 20yo
3. Tari Eason - 23yo
4. Jabari Smith - 21yo
5. Cam Whitmore - 20yo

They obviously have Jalen Green and Alpy Sengun who both signed extensions this training camp thus can't really be traded this season.

They also have 10 FRP's to pick from and 6SRP's to sweaten any deal.

They have varying levels of veterans on tradable contracts in Brooks, VanVleet*, Adams*, Jeff Green*, Landale, Tate*. * = expiring.

I would imagine that giving up Thompson, Whitemore and Van Vleet would get the job done no picks needed. Then they'd still have All their picks and other young guys to trade for one more piece.

The only untouchables on the Rockets should be Sengun and Thompson. That being said, the Rockets shouldn’t rush to make a trade to speed up their development. This is a trade you make two seasons from now.

Reed is untouchable

[ClutchCity713]

If it costed all the pieces, no. But let's look at their pieces:

1. Amen Thompson - 22 years old
2. Reed Sheppard - 20yo
3. Tari Eason - 23yo
4. Jabari Smith - 21yo
5. Cam Whitmore - 20yo

They obviously have Jalen Green and Alpy Sengun who both signed extensions this training camp thus can't really be traded this season.

They also have 10 FRP's to pick from and 6SRP's to sweaten any deal.

They have varying levels of veterans on tradable contracts in Brooks, VanVleet*, Adams*, Jeff Green*, Landale, Tate*. * = expiring.

I would imagine that giving up Thompson, Whitemore and Van Vleet would get the job done no picks needed. Then they'd still have All their picks and other young guys to trade for one more piece.

The only untouchables on the Rockets should be Sengun and Thompson. That being said, the Rockets shouldn’t rush to make a trade to speed up their development. This is a trade you make two seasons from now.

Reed is untouchable

No he isn't. Nobody on the Rockets are untouchable.

People tend to use that word too loosely. Untouchtables should be reserved for Superstar and first option players.

[God Squad]

If it costed all the pieces, no. But let's look at their pieces:

1. Amen Thompson - 22 years old
2. Reed Sheppard - 20yo
3. Tari Eason - 23yo
4. Jabari Smith - 21yo
5. Cam Whitmore - 20yo

They obviously have Jalen Green and Alpy Sengun who both signed extensions this training camp thus can't really be traded this season.

They also have 10 FRP's to pick from and 6SRP's to sweaten any deal.

They have varying levels of veterans on tradable contracts in Brooks, VanVleet*, Adams*, Jeff Green*, Landale, Tate*. * = expiring.

I would imagine that giving up Thompson, Whitemore and Van Vleet would get the job done no picks needed. Then they'd still have All their picks and other young guys to trade for one more piece.

The only untouchables on the Rockets should be Sengun and Thompson. That being said, the Rockets shouldn’t rush to make a trade to speed up their development. This is a trade you make two seasons from now.

Reed is untouchable

Yeah right , based on what?

[NoStatsGuy]

He is overrated. The Kings should jump start a rebuild and sell the core. The DeRozan signing was just dumb.

Unless they get an offer they can’t refuse, or Fox tells them he wants out, entering another rebuild would be so dumb for a small-market team like the Kings. Small-market teams like Sacramento will never land players like De’Aaron Fox in free agency, so now that they have one and are finally competitive after decades of living in the lottery, they should trade him.

Not every NBA market and location has realistic odds to win the NBA championship. It’s really hard and takes some good fortune to build championship contenders in markets like Sacramento.

Problem is that signing guys like Fox to a huge Superman or 3rd contract at $60m+ is how you stay bad for a long time. You can’t build a good team around 2nd tier guys making top tier money.

while you are absolutely right about how to build a winner, thats not the MO of every franchise. its easy for us fans to say "ahh you do this, you do that and poof you have a winner". The NBA ist still a business, these days you could argue its even more business than competition. For the Owner its also about selling jerseys, filling tthe arena and making money. and i believe for a lot of owners making money is the primary goal.

I dont know much about the kings, their market, their owner situation, etc. so im just assuming. but i believe having fox on the team is making them more money, than blowing it up and rebuild again. the salary cap is the salary cap and to them it might not matter as much who they pay as long as long as the arena is buzzing (and it definitley was with the whole light the beam thing) and jerseys are being sold.